The locks on the Dallas Murder By Cop apartment

[obamanut2012]

I have the exact same locks, and:

1. They do not stay ajar by themselves, you have to put something heavy down as a doorstop if you want it open while, say, moving stuff in and out. Even sticking something like cardboard inbetween the door doesn't work. Having these locks has decreased my rental insurance, because they are so safe. MY lock will lock behind me automatically, but this was set that way by my property managers (I asked them yesterday). I have no idea if his was set that way.

2. You can use a "normal key," but like any key, it won't work unless it is the RIGHT key. This is for if the "smart lock" fails in any way.

3. When you "swipe" to get in, it either turns green and BEEPS, or turns red and BEEPS DIFFERENTLY.


For anyone who has these locks, it is pretty obvious what probably happened AT THE DOOR: he had to open it, she pulled her weapon and he retreated into the apartment, she followed and shot him. It is literally impossible for her to have found this door "ajar."

*I personally think she MURDERED him, and why this is being handwaved as oh, it was a tragic accident is wtf. Tragic accident offenders still do hard time. I knew it was gonna be WHITEWASHED as soon as the Texas Rangers were brought in.

[MaryMagdaline]

1. Does your door have a latch that can be used to prop open the door

As with hotel doors? I know sometimes I have trouble getting suitcases into my hotel room without using that prop since the door slams right behind me.

[obamanut2012]

18. No, you have to put in a doorstop

Or something like that.

[peekaloo]

2. I'm betting her cell phone records will be the unraveling.

Providing they see the light of day.

Based on the big "if" they had a previous relationship.

Why would she be heard screaming, "Let me in" to an "intruder" at her own apartment.

[obamanut2012]

19. or something similar, yes

[barbtries]

3. a relationship between them?

i've believed from the start that the story smelled very bad, and your scenario makes sense to me.

[obamanut2012]

20. something weird, agree!

[marylandblue]

4. News reports are that he lived right above her and was noisy

And that she had complained about the noise before. Speculation is that she went up to complain about the noise again. Either she planned to kill him (unlikely in my view) or they had an argument and she shot him in anger.

[TheBlackAdder]

5. Didn't some neighbors say there were loud voices and someone sounding like a police officer?

[marylandblue]

6. I did read something like that, but it didn't seem definitive

Still, the "sorry, wrong apartment" story isn't going to last much longer.

[obamanut2012]

21. I think she went to his apt for a purpose

Even if "just" to be a jerk and yell at him.

[TrishaJ]

29. As someone who can be driven bat crazy by the never-ending and

intrusive THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP that comes from a neighbor's stereo bass, I can empathize with the internal rage she was carrying when she went to his door.... I know if I had ever been armed in that kind of scenario, I might have pulled the trigger, too. HOWEVER, if this is indeed the story, she shot him in cold blood and it is MURDER and just because her job description is "police officer," she should not be treated any differently than anyone else who would just go and shoot their neighbor.

[demsocialist]

43. so you into killing people that get on your nerves..

OK

[TrishaJ]

44. LOL... is that what I really said?

I said I understand the rage over noise. I never said it I was "into killing people that get on your nerves.."

[cwydro]

7. Curious how you learned what kind of locks they have in that apt complex?

[Frances]

9. Someone was interviewed on TV

And described the locks in the building
He said the doors lock automatically and have to be propped open
If the woman thought this apartment was hers, why did she yell, “let me in,” which is what witnesses say they heard? Does she have a roommate?

[LAS14]

12. See response #11 nt

[cwydro]

32. I've been busy with hurricane prep. Thanks!

[BumRushDaShow]

10. It's been mentioned in articles and in the recently released affidavit

https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2018/09/10/affidavit-released-in-dallas-cops-shooting-of-harding-graduate
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/amber-guyger-botham-shem-jean-dallas-cop-shooting-722177/

Direct link to Affidavit - https://www.scribd.com/document/388281817/Full-arrest-warrant-affidavit-for-Dallas-police-officer-Amber-Guyger

[haele]

15. Picture of the door showed the type of lock on site.

Most modern apartments that have been going up locally have a programmable "smart key" type lock like that for security, especially in apartments that are marketed for younger singles and couples.
Have a cleaner or a sitter that comes in daily, or does the complex have a "service" of some sort that requires regular entry? Give them a smart key and schedule that key to be active for your apartment so they can only enter or re-enter for specific hours. Cuts down on thievery.
Relationship gone bad? Neighbors with the spare key suddenly untrustworthy? Protection order against an Ex? Get him or her off the access for your apartment, they can't come in through the door with an old key.

Haele

[obamanut2012]

23. this

[obamanut2012]

22. There was a demonstration

On how the locks work.

[cwydro]

33. Thanks! Interesting fact to know for sure.

[lillypaddle]

8. I believe she murdered him

Maybe he rejected her. They dated at one time. This story is so fucking hinky it's not even funny.

[VMA131Marine]

26. They never dated

This has been debunked by Botham Jean's family and it's irresponsible to keep repeating it.

[lillypaddle]

30. It's not irresponsible

If this is the first I've heard of the denial by the family. Regardless, I still believe this was a murder.

[VMA131Marine]

35. They don't have to have dated for it to have been murder

if this is the first you have heard of the denial by the family, you haven't been paying attention.

[lillypaddle]

39. You're a real sweetie pie

go pick on someone else.

[LAS14]

11. I don't have an opinion on what happened, but in the interest of clear thinking...

... if a door is hung so that it doesn't close by itself, it doesn't matter what kind of lock it has.

[mythology]

16. And if he removed the door it wouldn't matter what type of lock either

The fact that she was banging on the door yelling to be let in suggests the door was in fact closed securely.

[VMA131Marine]

36. Hopefully the police dusted the door and lock for her prints

That will go a long way to determining whether she was banging on the door or not. But I think you are right, it is more than an improbable coincidence that the door would happen to be ajar on the same night she would go to the wrong door.

[obamanut2012]

24. of course you said that

[LAS14]

28. ???? Have we interacted before????? nt

[LAS14]

31. How am I supposed to interpret this? What do you mean??????

[yardwork]

47. But in that case she could not bang on the door more than once.

Her assertion that the door was ajar means it's not possible for her to have banged repeatedly on the door. A door that was ajar would have opened all the way on the first knock, possibly even hitting the wall as it swung open.

There are a LOT of questions.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Unfortunately too many police officers are power-trippers. . . . nt

[LiberalFighter]

14. The local media need to keep pressure on the police.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

17. Local case review here...

Fate of Officer Who Killed Botham Jean Will Come Down to Two Juries
Stephen Young - Dallas Observer
September 11, 2018

https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/botham-jean-shooting-everything-we-know-so-far-11125724

Commendable comment by the mayor (snip)

Saturday morning, Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings spoke publicly about the shooting for the first time.

“Botham Jean was exactly the sort of citizen we want to have in the city of Dallas,” Rawlings said. “A believer in his church, a neighbor to his friends. A man that always had a smile on his face. And for that reason, this is a terrible, terrible thing that has happened. Not only has he lost his life, but we’ve lost a potential leader for this city.”

Summary (snip)

If a jury believes that Guyger reasonably thought she was in her own apartment when she shot Jean, she's covered by Texas' castle law, which allows Texas residents to shoot intruders in their homes on sight, without criminal repercussions.

"[Texas residents] don't have to wait to be threatened. They don't have to have the intruder show a gun or to threaten harm to them," Schulte said. "It's their castle. They can fire and ask questions later. Not just because she's a cop. It's anybody. The questions comes down to when the facts aren't what they're perceived to be. Then you have to look at 'Was the mistake-of-fact reasonable given the circumstances?' That's going to be the crux of the trial."

Very sad case and waste of a good life..........

[obamanut2012]

25. ugh

[struggle4progress]

27. Good ole Texas law! Shoot em first. Make sure they're dead. Then claim you felt threatened.

Oh, dearie, dearie me! I had no idea I was shooting children in an elementary school! I really thought I was at home, defending myself from intruders!

[KY_EnviroGuy]

34. After some of Florida's "stand your ground" cases.....

far too many gun deaths are no longer a surprise these days.

This is what happens when Americans elect fear-driven psychopaths to public office who accept corrupt campaign money from the NRA and other gun interests.

.............

[VMA131Marine]

37. It seems to me it is irrelevant whether the officer believed she was in her own apartment or not

but it is hard to see how she gets around the fact that Mr. Jean's apartment had a bright red mat outside the door and hers did not. She was negligent in the extreme.

[struggle4progress]

41. +!

[Scurrilous]

42. Yep.

Who wouldn't notice a red doormat in front of the door. It's impossible to miss.

[yardwork]

48. I don't see how the castle law applies, since she wasn't in her own apartment.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

49. This demonstrates the legal fragility of all these laws...

such as this one and stand your ground. Comes down to the word of the person who has killed another person - who can no longer speak for their own self.

It seems a stretch that as a defense, someone could use saying they "thought" they were in their own castle when they were not.

......... .........

[Lee-Lee]

38. I'm not sure why you think she wont do time

It’s an open and shut manslaughter case. Like super easy to prosecute, clear cut, she is guilty.

That’s a serious charge.

In some states it is the lowest charge for something resulting in death, but not in Texas. It carries a minimum sentence of 2 years and a maximum of 20.

[LisaL]

40. It's far from open and shut case.

If she were in her apartment, she is allowed to kill an intruder, no questions asked (in Tx).
She claims she believed she was in her apartment. She therefore can use a "mistake of fact" defense.

[VMA131Marine]

45. I'm not yet ready to believe that the door to the apartment was left ajar

It's a horrible thing to think, but I do not trust the police who arrived on the scene to not have doctored the evidence to make Guyger look less culpable.

Anybody who tries to cover up for her should be charged as an accessory-after-the-fact.

[Lee-Lee]

50. That's what makes it manslaughter

She can claim the mistake of fact defense all she wants, but her mistakes are what else to her improper belief she was in the right apartment.

Still meets the elements for manslaughter. Easily.

Now had someone been pulling some sort of prank and shifted around the signs for the floors and the apartment numbers and created a situation where someone else was responsible for her mistaken belief, then that defense might have some teeth. But as thing stands now her reckless behavior is all that is to blame for her mistaken beliefs- so she can’t argue her way out of it.

[obamanut2012]

46. Slap on the wrist, five years probation

Local sheriff's department will hire her.

They have the Texas Rangers in charge of the investigation, and already "Castle Doctrine" is being floated. Because she thought it was her place, she could defend it.

Lots pf "open and shit" criminals are free. including murderers.

[Lee-Lee]

51. Want to put a bet on that?