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ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 01:20 PM Sep 2018

Bernie Sanders is doing exactly what he should be doing. Let's all do it

Sanders has had some powerful videos and popular pieces in the last few years calling Trump out on his lies, the GOP on their attack against Social Security and Medicare, and trickle down economics in general.

When I see one, I post it or kick and recommend the thread where someone else has posted it.

"Sanders isn't a Democrat" "Democratic politicians have been saying this too", etc., almost always follow that.

But Sanders is doing exactly what he, and every other American politician, should be doing: calling out lies and protecting the American public.

If it pains you to see something posted favorably about Sanders, then post some excellent messages from politicians you like even more! I will kick and recommend those, too, especially if they are smart in their messaging and progressive in their approach.

In fact, let's all compete to see who can post and kick up the most Trump-hostile and citizen-friendly messages we can find, from the politicians who we like the best. Politicians who make those statements and messages are on our side. I read a lot about how much better Democratic politicians are than Sanders. I'm open to it. Bring their messages here, loudly and proudly, and let's all work on getting rid of Trump and the corrupt GOP congress! But don't dump on Sanders for doing the right thing - all of us should be doing the right things, and I'm happy to have him fighting the good fight along with my party.

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Bernie Sanders is doing exactly what he should be doing. Let's all do it (Original Post) ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 OP
Thank you. peekaloo Sep 2018 #1
... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #2
... Me. Sep 2018 #4
Why the snark? StuckInTexas Sep 2018 #5
No more unnecessary than yours. MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #10
OMG LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #54
Sanders in not one of our own. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #71
... LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #73
Pic of a real Democrat Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #87
Pic of two politicians on our side that we should be supporting LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #93
Pic of a real Democrat and someone who attacks Dems Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #103
Oh dear... LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #104
Yes Oh dear... Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #105
You answered your own question ,purposely divisive and it is a schtick. bahrbearian Sep 2018 #15
Agreed. Equinox Moon Sep 2018 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #55
I posted eight examples in response to prof on a previous thread... ehrnst Sep 2018 #40
I posted one, several times. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #89
Meh. BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #3
Oh katmondoo Sep 2018 #6
I appreciate what you're trying StuckInTexas Sep 2018 #7
Yup yup, PUMA app over again... besides, in case anyone forgot, Bernie's not a Democrat. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #12
Hahaha! babylonsister Sep 2018 #36
Worse, he said he might run again but NOT as a Democrat. pnwmom Sep 2018 #67
Thanks ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #16
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #72
Bernie has an artful way of inserting criticisms of Democrats in almost everything he says. honest.abe Sep 2018 #8
If by "criticisms" that actually means smears, then rest assured ... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #9
Yeah, that might be a more accurate term. honest.abe Sep 2018 #11
Bernie is the Outreach Chair of the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee... demmiblue Sep 2018 #13
What are the actual responsibilities of that assignment? Who's he reaching out to? NurseJackie Sep 2018 #24
I wonder why BS hits people up for money via email at least once a month lapucelle Sep 2018 #76
It appears that his "outreach" position has little if anything to do with "outreach to voters". NurseJackie Sep 2018 #88
That appointment was seen by many here on DU as a "token" ehrnst Sep 2018 #32
+1 Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #35
I agree... but that's asking a lot of some around here. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #56
How is that possible? Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #75
Here's the problem I have... Adrahil Sep 2018 #14
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #19
NO. Everything he said is absolutely dead on. Cha Sep 2018 #21
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #31
Why do you say that? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #33
Bernie makes effective, progressive videos. DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #68
You accuse the poster of lying and being biased... ehrnst Sep 2018 #23
... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #26
No, you are wrong. mountain grammy Sep 2018 #30
How so? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #34
No, Sorry.. It's the Brutal Truth! Many people here and Cha Sep 2018 #39
Not only did he LEAVE the party, he says that if he runs again it WON'T be as a Democrat! pnwmom Sep 2018 #44
Oh, my. Well, Sanders and I agreed completely on the Hortensis Sep 2018 #52
That last point of yours is right on the money... my thoughts exactly! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #61
Ah, if we waited long enough, it had to happen someday. Hortensis Sep 2018 #62
Everything you said is factually true, especially the last part about if it happens again the harm Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #51
Bernie's the BEST!!...nt SidDithers Sep 2018 #17
Issues before personalities or labels. A democrat by any other name onit2day Sep 2018 #18
"So-called" leaders? ehrnst Sep 2018 #27
Damn straight... been sayin' the same thing for a long time now... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #57
"I read a lot about how much better Democratic politicians are R B Garr Sep 2018 #20
Yep, "divisive".. and they all Cha Sep 2018 #22
"In fact, let's all compete..." Oh, goody! A contest! UNITY!! NurseJackie Sep 2018 #45
Thanks zentrum Sep 2018 #25
Thank you ProfessorPlum.. and on that note mountain grammy Sep 2018 #28
Thumbs up :) ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #29
Hear Hear! HootieMcBoob Sep 2018 #37
I remember those days fondly :) ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #47
The thing is, people tend to choose their group to belong Hortensis Sep 2018 #58
Yup yup, those were the days. Thanks for your post... dead balls on!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #59
Most if not all of his positions have been Democratic positions ehrnst Sep 2018 #81
Actions have consequences. Go figure. MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #99
+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #100
Recommend! nt babylonsister Sep 2018 #38
Here you go! ehrnst Sep 2018 #42
Thank You, ehrnst! i Like these Dems over BS any Cha Sep 2018 #49
We should all leave the Democratic Party. Don't see how that is helpful grantcart Sep 2018 #43
"I have been doing it every day for 2 years." ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #46
No he's not grantcart Sep 2018 #50
My heart bleeds for your problems with Sanders ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #63
He won't be our ally if he follows up on his threat to run for President as an Independent. pnwmom Sep 2018 #53
Here are more! ehrnst Sep 2018 #48
Thanks for the post. I see the usual Bernie envy as well. It must really hurt that he is so popular. jalan48 Sep 2018 #60
Envy, I'm thinking of an old envious red-faced man at the Democratic National Convention njhoneybadger Sep 2018 #83
I know it's tough hating America's most popular politician. jalan48 Sep 2018 #84
"America's most popular politician" betsuni Sep 2018 #86
I dig the myth of his most popular status you guys keep forwarding. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #90
Not sacred, just liked by millions of Americans. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that jalan48 Sep 2018 #94
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2018 #64
Links please? Thanks! George II Sep 2018 #65
I'll play! OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #66
EVERYONE is calling out Trump's lies. A book is hitting sales records, doing just that, too. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #69
I'd love to see your favorite highlights from Sanders calling Trump out on his lies! betsuni Sep 2018 #70
I prefer Democrats who are actually Democrats. VOX Sep 2018 #74
ok, I'll bite ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #82
"Belonging to a particular group" is the crux of the matter. VOX Sep 2018 #97
I think his overall record speaks volumes ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #98
It is not true that Democrats have abandoned New Deal policies and Bernie is the betsuni Sep 2018 #101
Bill Crystal tazkcmo Sep 2018 #77
Maybe it's because Kristol would not raise taxes on the rich? ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #85
rec Kurt V. Sep 2018 #78
Appears folks here prefer trump to saying something nice about Bernie dembotoz Sep 2018 #79
"Appears folks here prefer Trump to saying something nice about Bernie." betsuni Sep 2018 #80
I'm not surprised you've forced yourself to see it as such. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #91
Lol force myself?? God damn obvious dembotoz Sep 2018 #92
Don't bother. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #95
Sounds good dembotoz Sep 2018 #96
i have to think about this first...... samnsara Sep 2018 #102
 

StuckInTexas

(66 posts)
5. Why the snark?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 01:59 PM
Sep 2018

Seriously, I get that you're schtick here is passive aggressive Lol's at anything you disagree with, but why here? This post just seems so unnecessary, and even worse, purposely divisive.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,169 posts)
104. Oh dear...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:01 PM
Sep 2018









These Democrats must be pretty stupid to be hanging out with an "attacker", right?


Or....maybe. Just maybe, they don't take the occasional constructive criticism of the party as an "attack", and see much more benefit in working with a strong Independent ally, who champions causes FDR would be proud of.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
41. Agreed.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:42 PM
Sep 2018

Why jump on a thread to be mean Nurse Jackie? You could just leave the thread alone and move on.

Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #41)

 

StuckInTexas

(66 posts)
7. I appreciate what you're trying
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:07 PM
Sep 2018

to do with the OP here, but always remember your audience. There are many passionate posters here who will never be able to get past the 2016 primary. With some posters here, they have as equal animosity for him as they for Trump. It is what it is. I love the spirit of this post, but I'm afraid that sentiment is not popular here. Don't let it get you down though and keep up the real fight against the fascist GOP.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
12. Yup yup, PUMA app over again... besides, in case anyone forgot, Bernie's not a Democrat.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:25 PM
Sep 2018

There, saved them the trouble.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
67. Worse, he said he might run again but NOT as a Democrat.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:17 PM
Sep 2018

In which case he'd be in the race on purpose to divide the progressive vote. I don't know why anyone here wants to promote him, knowing that.

I'd feel completely differently about him if he hadn't left the party and announced he wasn't coming back.

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
16. Thanks
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:36 PM
Sep 2018

you're right, of course.

Just trying to reduce the hate against our own allies, which seems unproductive, and hopefully encouraging more passionate enthusiasm for Democratic politicians and candidates. I want to see all of them sticking it to Trump and the inert GOP co-collaborators.

I can understand the feelings, and we are all disappointed by the results of the election.

Response to StuckInTexas (Reply #7)

honest.abe

(8,672 posts)
8. Bernie has an artful way of inserting criticisms of Democrats in almost everything he says.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:18 PM
Sep 2018

So considering that I would say he is not "doing exactly what he should be doing".

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. If by "criticisms" that actually means smears, then rest assured ...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:21 PM
Sep 2018
Bernie has an artful way of inserting criticisms of Democrats
If by "criticisms" that actually means smears, then rest assured that many will be in complete agreement.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
13. Bernie is the Outreach Chair of the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:25 PM
Sep 2018

he is doing what he is supposed to be doing. And, imo, he is doing a good job. I am also impressed by a lot of other Dem politicians (Merkley, Harris, Swalwell, Warren, Hirono, Schiff, etc.). It is time for people to get over themselves and work toward the blue wave.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
24. What are the actual responsibilities of that assignment? Who's he reaching out to?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:18 PM
Sep 2018
Bernie is the Outreach Chair of the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee
What are the actual responsibilities of that assignment? Who's he reaching out to?

And, imo, he is doing a good job.
Really? How do you know? By what standard are we to judge this? How can we tell?

lapucelle

(18,242 posts)
76. I wonder why BS hits people up for money via email at least once a month
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:50 AM
Sep 2018

so he can travel around the country. Similarly, many have remarked that when BS raises money for primary candidates, half the donation goes to him unless the donor specifically opts out.

Hopefully he'll working hard on outreach to voters for Democratic party candidates in the upcoming general election.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
88. It appears that his "outreach" position has little if anything to do with "outreach to voters".
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 10:15 AM
Sep 2018

Here's a succinct description of his "duties" in the "outreach" role that many like to boast about... it seems like routine busy-work that really doesn't have much to do with growing the Democratic party. I'm sure it's all exceedingly important, of course, but when it comes right down to it... the actual duties are focused on the party's Senate agend. Not "voter outreach" as many seem to believe.

According to the official website, "the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee is dedicated to fostering dialogue between Senate Democrats and community leaders from across the nation. Each year, the Steering Committee hosts several meetings with advocates, policy experts, and elected officials to discuss key priorities and enlist their help in the development of the Democratic agenda in the Senate. We are committed to serving as a liaison between Senate Democratic offices and advocacy groups and intergovernmental organizations."
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
14. Here's the problem I have...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:28 PM
Sep 2018

These types of posts are calculated to fluff Sanders' reputation, presumably in hopes of boosting his chances in 2020, should he run..

Quite often, the posts are breathlessly worded and expressed in terms indicating that ONLY Sanders is doing the right thing.

I'll be frank, the guys behavior in 2016 totally lost me. I now fin him a detriment to the party. I believe if he runs again, he'll lose again, but he'll do damage again and our candidate will be weakened in the GE. Again.

And lastly, he ISN'T a Democrat. Until he is willing to commit to the party, I think he does more harm than good.

Response to Adrahil (Reply #14)

Response to Cha (Reply #21)

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
68. Bernie makes effective, progressive videos.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:10 PM
Sep 2018

And many Democrats do the same.

And here's an EXPLOSIVE video by Robert Reich: https://m.


What are WE doing? Whining?

Support ALL PROGRESSIVES!!!

Thank you.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. You accuse the poster of lying and being biased...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:17 PM
Sep 2018

And give no evidence to directly refute their claims.

No "facts," just opinions.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
39. No, Sorry.. It's the Brutal Truth! Many people here and
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:40 PM
Sep 2018

on the net see it for what it really is.

Truth doesn't do "harm". Thank Goodness when People are allowed to speak the Truth!

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
44. Not only did he LEAVE the party, he says that if he runs again it WON'T be as a Democrat!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:45 PM
Sep 2018

So what is his intention? To split the progressive vote? Why?

He also thinks it's wrong for the Democrats to endorse an INCUMBENT Democrat.


THE BIG IDEA: Bernie Sanders was the runner-up for the Democratic nomination to be president in 2016, and he’s considering another try in 2020, but the Vermont senator remains adamant that he will not become a member of the party.

Sanders criticized Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez on Wednesday for endorsing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo over primary challenger Cynthia Nixon. He said this sort of interference by party bosses makes it harder to trust that progressives will get a fair shake in 2020.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/06/07/daily-202-why-bernie-sanders-won-t-join-the-democratic-party/5b18850d30fb04775d88138c/?utm_term=.048416ee5d1b

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Oh, my. Well, Sanders and I agreed completely on the
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:44 PM
Sep 2018

appropriateness of his leaving the party immediately after he didn't need our our inclusiveness, funds and party structure.

Once again, the choice for every person at this very dangerous point in our democracy is between protecting our government of, by and for the people by helping elect a Democrat or assisting those who intend to destroy it by helping elect a Republican.

Regardless of how we vote or whether we vote, our actions will promote one goal or the other.

Sanders and I have another thing in common -- we both don't suffer intolerable, destructive fools gladly.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
51. Everything you said is factually true, especially the last part about if it happens again the harm
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:31 PM
Sep 2018

it will do.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
18. Issues before personalities or labels. A democrat by any other name
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

would still stand for the people and personal integrity. Bernie has done more for our party than most of our so called leaders. He has energized it while emphasizing our FDR roots. He has my gratitude, respect,and support.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
27. "So-called" leaders?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:26 PM
Sep 2018

Not Pelosi - she actually got health care reform passed, instead of simply talking about it. The GOP wants her gone, she's so effective.

Not Schumer - he actually got health care reform passed, instead of simply talking about it.

Definitely not Hillary Clinton - she actually got health care reform passed (CHIP) instead of simply talking about it.

Not Bill Clinton - He brought LGBTQ issues to the fore, instead of refusing to discuss that when it's a re-election year...

They have earned my gratitude and respect.

Bernie has talked trash about the Democratic party more than any Democratic leader, I'll give you that...

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
57. Damn straight... been sayin' the same thing for a long time now...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:35 PM
Sep 2018

most people know that to be true, but there's a small minority here who can't let go of 2016 and move on. My advice... dont bother wasting your breath. And go Bernie!!

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
20. "I read a lot about how much better Democratic politicians are
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:02 PM
Sep 2018

than Sanders.”

Wow! I think I see your problem and why you would choose to start another divisive thread.

HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
37. Hear Hear!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:40 PM
Sep 2018

I have been a member of DU for a very long time and started following the site religiously well before signing on. Bernie Sanders used to be held in the highest regard by almost everyone here. It’s unfortunate that that’s no longer the case. He is doing excellent work and is bringing loads of new people and energy into the fold. Thanks very much for your post

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
58. The thing is, people tend to choose their group to belong
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:37 PM
Sep 2018

to, tend to accept the leader the group chooses, and then tend to adopt the ideology and arguments of the leader. WHAT!!!??? (I didn't find learning that pleasant either.)

Appalling but as true for most on the left as on the right. Individuals vary by our degree of loyalty and obedience, and whatever, but the vast majority of us apparently follow this pattern enough to make a very strong one in large pop0ulations. And these days we're sticking with our groups for years and years.

If Sanders told you (the typical "you" in your splinter group, not you specifically) to set aside factionalism temporarily and join with the mainstream of the Democratic Party to stop the threat of authoritarian takeover from the right (just until the threat was defeated), you would. Because he's the leader, and if he put it convincingly enough that you didn't go find another. But he's not really telling you that, and we know it because we all know what he's saying and we all observe ongoing behaviors.

None of us are mindless zombies, of course. We all presumably want to stop the anti-progressive wave that threatens to permanently destroy everything we say we want to accomplish.

So, you might have asked yourselves, why haven't you found a new leader who is committed to saving progressivism in government? Only until the threat is vanquished? To save Social Security, the dream of universal healthcare, the ability to demand a police officer's name and badge number? The small group can't possibly save it on their own, right? They'd have to fight alongside the larger, even if they maintained a discrete identify.

Political psychologists could tell us in great detail why progressive followers haven't dumped their current leader in favor of another committed to fighting the right, and why mainstream Democrats don't leave their group focused on stopping the right to join you.

But it has very little to do with endangered progressive goals and everything to do with loyalty to group and leader.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
59. Yup yup, those were the days. Thanks for your post... dead balls on!!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:39 PM
Sep 2018

Bernie continues to lead on progressive issues... and it's not surprising that most, if not all, the leading 2020 Democratic presidential contenders are adopting his positions... smart move!!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
81. Most if not all of his positions have been Democratic positions
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:58 AM
Sep 2018

for a long time... despite his smearing the Democratic party at times. The differences primarily being strategies to achieve those goals.

However, I think it's positive that he has adopted some of Hillary's and the Democrats' policies on social justice issues since 2016. She definitely pulled him left on that.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
99. Actions have consequences. Go figure.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:09 AM
Sep 2018

It is no longer the case because many people no longer trust him.

He is the literal definition of the word he uses to slander people in the Democratic Party. Establishment. He was installed and has been protected for decades from actual Democratic candidates by a party that he publicly shames and refuses to join. He doesn’t just bite the hand that feeds him. He devours the whole arm.

Thanks but no thanks to his divisive politics. He did nothing to harness that energy or even share those “new people” with them what brung him.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
43. We should all leave the Democratic Party. Don't see how that is helpful
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:45 PM
Sep 2018

As for the other things that you credit Sanders doing, I have been doing it every day for 2 years.

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
46. "I have been doing it every day for 2 years."
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:53 PM
Sep 2018

then Sanders must be your ally, if you are doing the same things.

That's pretty cool, having the most popular politician in the US helping out your cause.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
50. No he's not
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:25 PM
Sep 2018

Mine is a team cause.

Politics, governance is a team sport.

When Sanders joins the team and leaves the team (forget the fact that he tells people that the team does terrible things) he is stating in "branding terms" that it is not a first place team. It is a second place team and it is below him. He is saying that there is should be a better team but he will go along with this team for now.

Its as if a football player joined a team that had orange and black colored jerseys and a player insisted on wearing his own colors, green and gold.

They may run in the same direction and they may run the same route but they are not on the same team. One team supports and promotes the team. May not even have names on the back of the Jerseys, they are known as the Democrats.

Sanders promotes himself and a few Democrats that he endorses. He says that the Democrats are terrible at messaging, he doesn't agree with their branding. He is on the team when it helps him score points and leaves the team when it helps him improve his individual brand.

Yesterday I had a killer day. Got up at 4 am with 4 hours sleep for an 18 hour killer work day.

On the way from San Diego to Yuma in the middle of a desolate area there was a trunk parked on the shoulder. A driver was starting on what was going to be a 5 mile trip to the gas station.

Turns out he lost track of his DEF and ran out.

Normally I would have stopped and picked him up but this time I took him to the 2nd gas station (first didn't have DEF) and he could have waited a couple of hours to arrange a ride back to his truck but I took him.

I took him back (even though he was no longer "stranded&quot because it would give me another 30 minutes to tell him more about O'Rourke. He was from Texas. I already got him excited about O'Rourke but while he was picking up his DEF I was in the car looking up places in Laredo where you could get an absentee ballot because he says he is registered but never home and rarely voted.

By the time we got back to his truck with the DEF he had bookmarked the link and had texted 15 friends to vote for Beto.

I did this because the head of our team told us to take off our slippers and put on our boots and get going. Being a team player I was inspired and took an hour out on a day that made my diabetes scream pain into my feet and stayed with this guy, just like I was canvassing door to door, which I do a lot of for Democrats. In my Congressional District the winner of the Democratic nomination Alexandra Kirkpatrick sent out a mailer for my candidate, Dr Heinz (who happens to be gay) lying and saying that he supported the NRA. Kirkpatrick was an ardent NRA supporter until our congresswoman Giffords got shot in the head. Personally I hate Kirkpatrick for what she did to Dr. Heinz. I spent last Saturday going door to door because in the end who is on the ballot isn't that important. Its the D that's important. So even when I am unhappy with the individual I promote the team because in the US system power is given to teams, not individuals. Sanders has it backwards.

Now even if Beto doesn't win the increased turnout should trigger 2 red congressional seats to flip to blue.

So Sanders may agree with me on many things (and on trade he agrees with Trump while I agree with Obama) but he is also SHOUTING A SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE by repeatedly joining and then leaving the Democratic Party and that is "DEMOCRATS ARE NOT REALLY GOOD ENOUGH".

You can excuse it away, you can be devoted to your hero but you cannot explain away the fact that Sanders really doesn't think that the Democratic Team measures up. If he thought that they did he would have their name on his jersey.

Just last week I talked in depth with a guy who voted for Trump and is now unhappy but really likes Sanders. He doesn't think that the Democrats are good for anything and he doesn't really think that Democrats and Sanders have that much in common.

As Luhan said "the medium is the message" and Sanders medium is "the Democratic Party is not good enough for me".

You are free to delude yourself in thinking that such distinctions don't speak volumes to ordinary people but they do and they are cumulative over years. There is a huge amount of proven statistical research that shows if you can get somebody to vote in 3 Presidential elections for the same party they will remain with that party for the rest of their lives at a very high percentage. The point is to build a bond with the team.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
53. He won't be our ally if he follows up on his threat to run for President as an Independent.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:48 PM
Sep 2018

Then he will be our opponent, so I am leery of people here promoting him now.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. Here are more!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:54 PM
Sep 2018
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/405944-democratic-opposition-builds-against-kavanaugh

Several Democratic senators are coming off the fence to announce they will oppose President Trump's second Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh.

Sens. Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.), Maggie Hassan (N.H.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.) became the latest Democrats to say they will vote against Kavanaugh. Both senators announced their opposition on Monday.

"While much of Judge Kavanaugh’s record remains a mystery, what we do know is extremely troubling and dangerously out of step with the American people, particularly on critical issues including executive power, abortion rights and pre-existing conditions," Shaheen said in a statement.

She added that Kavanaugh's "inability to remember if he has discussed the Special Counsel’s investigation with President Trump’s defense team is extremely alarming."

Hassan also pointed to the impact Kavanaugh could have on Roe v. Wade, the 1973 case that established the right to an abortion, and executive authority, where Democrats worry Kavanaugh would give Trump a wide berth.

"We need to be clear that Judge Kavanaugh, the people who have promoted him throughout his career and who precleared his nomination, and President Trump could all lead us down a path toward further criminalizing abortion," Hassan wrote in a Medium post announcing her opposition.


Whitehouse, a member of the Judiciary Committee, said that Kavanaugh "ducked" their questions last week and failed to reassure lawmakers.

“The Supreme Court needs to stand alone, tall and independent, and Americans should feel confident their cases will be decided on the merits. ... Judge Kavanaugh has failed to give Americans that assurance, and he will not get my vote," he said.

Kavanaugh, if confirmed, is expected to tilt the Supreme Court to the right for decades by providing Republicans with a more conservative justice comparable to Anthony Kennedy, who was the court's swing vote and who Kavanaugh would succeed.

In addition to Shaheen and Hassan, Democratic Sens. Tim Kaine (Va.) and Ben Cardin (Md.) said on Friday that they would oppose Kavanaugh.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
90. I dig the myth of his most popular status you guys keep forwarding.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 12:30 PM
Sep 2018

It can take a LOT of discipline to keep the narrative of a sacred cow on top of the news feeds, regardless of its inaccuracy.

But I get it... criticizing a sacred cow can easily be perceived a 'hate' when we fail to hold sacred that which is simply human.

jalan48

(13,856 posts)
94. Not sacred, just liked by millions of Americans. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:39 PM
Sep 2018

Bernie hasn't needed to "evolve" over the years like so many politicians. People paying attention respect that.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
66. I'll play!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:11 PM
Sep 2018
I was dismayed when Bernie Sanders dismissed Planned Parenthood as just another part of “the establishment” when they endorsed me over him. Few organizations are as intimately connected to the day-to-day lives of Americans from all classes and backgrounds as Planned Parenthood, and few are under more persistent attack. I’m not sure what’s “establishment” about that, and I don’t know why someone running to be the Democratic nominee for President would say so.

After the election, Bernie suggested that Democrats should be open to nominating and supporting candidates who are anti-choice. Other topics, such as economic justice, are sacrosanct, but apparently women’s health is not.

- Hillary Clinton

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
69. EVERYONE is calling out Trump's lies. A book is hitting sales records, doing just that, too.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:53 PM
Sep 2018

Why this relentless posting about this one politician who is also doing that? It's not like he's a Democrat. He caucuses with them, but he has his own agenda. His own ideology. If he agreed with the Democratic Party Platform, he'd be a member of that party.

It's great he's pointing out the lies of Trump, like the Democrats are doing consistently on national tv. But don't forget...he has his own reasons that don't always jive with the Democratic Party ideology.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
74. I prefer Democrats who are actually Democrats.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:24 AM
Sep 2018

To me, actually being a Democrat communicates a COMMITMENT to like-minded people and to the ideals that should reflect the party. It’s not always easy, being a Democrat. Yes, there have been a few worthless Democrats in the past, and probably will in the future. But that’s more than offset by the party’s ideals, and some of the best people out there who sincerely want a decent life for ALL.

For whatever reason, Bernie refuses to be an actual Democrat. It’s like some marital pre-nup— it says “not committed to anyone but myself.”

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
82. ok, I'll bite
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:36 AM
Sep 2018

what ideals do you think the Democratic party has or should have that Sanders does not? Besides belonging to a particular group.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
97. "Belonging to a particular group" is the crux of the matter.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:03 AM
Sep 2018

As a person, and as a leftward voice, I appreciate much of what Bernie’s accomplished. I voted for him in the 2016 primary, in hopes of pushing the Democratic Party to the left. But Bernie consistently uses the Democratic Party when it’s convenient for him. That may seem like no big deal, but, as stated in my previous post, it reflects a question-mark as to where he’ll come down on certain issues. Two examples:
https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left
Sanders Is Not the Left
His refusal to endorse ICE's abolition is the latest evidence that he's not the politician that many believe him to be.
The New Republic By SARAH JONES
June 26, 2018
When CNN’s Jake Tapper asked Bernie Sanders on Sunday if he wants to abolish the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, the senator was uncharacteristically vague. “I think that what we need is to create policies which deal with immigration in a rational way. And a rational way is not locking children up in detention centers or separating them from their mothers,” he said. “What we need is Trump to sit down with members of Congress and work on a rational program which deals with this serious issue.”
<snip>
But contrary to how he’s often portrayed in the media, he is not a doctrinaire leftist. His principal benefit to the left has been to mainstream certain beliefs—namely, that access to health care, education, and living wages are rights, not luxuries. But Sanders is not a revolutionary. His views aren’t even entirely consistent with democratic socialism, the political tradition he claims. It’s one thing to call for breaking up the big banks, and quite another to call for the nationalization of private industries.
<snip>

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1962AU
U.S. Senate votes near unanimously for Russia, Iran sanctions
Reuters | By Patricia Zengerle
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate voted nearly unanimously on Thursday for legislation to impose new sanctions on Russia and force President Donald Trump to get Congress' approval before easing any existing sanctions on Russia.

In a move that could complicate U.S. President Donald Trump's desire for warmer relations with Moscow, the Senate backed the measure by 98-2. Republican Senator Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, were the only two "no" votes.
<snip>




ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
98. I think his overall record speaks volumes
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:37 AM
Sep 2018

I'm a little surprised that you are criticizing him from the left, but ok, you are entitled to your opinions and your mileage may vary. Trust is not a scientific matter. Sanders has been consistently pushing New Deal economics and policies for decades, and I trust him to continue working towards them.


BTW, that Russia sanctions vote was actually a vote to NOT impose sanctions on Iran, thus breaking the Iran deal.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernies-vote-on-sanctions-was-about-protecting-the-iran-deal-from-trump_us_597df7f8e4b0da64e879b55e

betsuni

(25,456 posts)
101. It is not true that Democrats have abandoned New Deal policies and Bernie is the
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:20 AM
Sep 2018

only one to do so since FDR. Obviously.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
77. Bill Crystal
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:32 AM
Sep 2018

I posted a response to an OP featuring a tweet of his critical of Shitgibbon. I said F Crystal. I was then told we need all the help we can get. Neo Cons get more support in this site than Sen Sanders.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
91. I'm not surprised you've forced yourself to see it as such.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 12:33 PM
Sep 2018

Doing so is both personally validating and emotionally convenient.

As for other perspectives holding other opinions? P'shaw... unless they righteously worship the sacred cow, it can only be hatred (I learned that particular bit of dogmatic doggerel attending a Southern Baptist Church one summer, but I'm confident you're clever enough to have come up with yourself)

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