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msongs

(67,336 posts)
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:51 PM Sep 2018

so why do so many miilions of latinx vote trump/repub? why vote for a group that wants you

deported to anywhere they can send you outside the US? Seems to me after those kids were kidnapped from their parents and put in concentration camps that would arouse a lot more opposition than it has, considering almost all those victimized were latin/hispanic

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MaryMagdaline

(6,850 posts)
1. Cubans, Venezuelans, Colombians, Nicaraguans where I live do not like Socialism.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:05 PM
Sep 2018

Takes them a while to learn that Democrats are not really Marxists and not even very good Socialists. Ana Navarro is a good example. Family fled Communism in nicaragua. After decades here, she is really more of a conservative Democrat. But getting likeminded republican friends to vote democratic is a struggle.

Here in south Florida we have many Hispanics who equate Democrats with lawless leftist regimes south of the border who will take private property or permit kidnappings.

And many of them are racist, too. The more native you are, the lower you are in the caste system. They do not all see Mexicans or native Central Americans as their equals.

Livluvgrow

(377 posts)
2. Great Post
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:16 PM
Sep 2018

Religion also plays a role. Catholics wont vote for those who support abortion. There are also many hispanics who are multigenerational citizens and don't agree with moe permissive immigration policies.

msongs

(67,336 posts)
3. my previous area was majority latino - mostly mexican american and mexico immigrants
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:33 PM
Sep 2018

of unknown status. many mexican americans seemed to think immigrants were lowering the quality of life, taking jobs, bla bla bla same stuff repubs say. sorta ironic because it is repub policies that are actually lowering the quality of life and taking away jobs and security for everyone, citizen, immigrants alike

kimbutgar

(21,027 posts)
4. My husband works with a guy of Mexican ancestry who was born in Texas
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:46 PM
Sep 2018

He is so hispanic looking ICE would pick him up off the street by appearance alone. He is a major right winger who hated President Obama with a passion, he thinks The orange maggot is making America great again. Ok withmigrants being detained, tax cuts and all the other evil policies.

But it’s obvious the guy has been throughly brain washed for many years. My husband said 9-11 made him political. He commutes 60 miles each way to his job in SF. 1-2 1/2 hours each way listening to Rush,Sean Levin etc, he is so far gone he can’t even talk without echoing a talking point. My hubby sometimes asks him questions that short circuit his brainwashing. The guy is a case study of a person supporting a racist who wouldn’t give him the time of day by his appearance alone. Unfortunately many people who are not white continue to support him. My thesis is they have been brain washed steadily by neural programming.the maggot perfected the talking points.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. He should go to a Trump rally.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:33 PM
Sep 2018

After Trump fire up his goons vis a vis immigrants, he would be lucky to escape with a third degree beating.

kimbutgar

(21,027 posts)
11. He is a lost soul no going back for him, it's marbleized in his brain now, it's imbedded permanently
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:56 PM
Sep 2018

Brains can be marbelized.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. If Trump comes to your area for a rally, get tickets for him.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:59 PM
Sep 2018

And another dark skinned Trumper and see how things work out for them.

doc03

(35,282 posts)
5. Why do so many second and third generation Irish, Italians and others that were
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:02 PM
Sep 2018

treated bad 100 years ago have no empathy for today's immigrants

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
14. Because there is someone lower on the rung that they can look down on.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:26 PM
Sep 2018

Seems to be prevalent in most, if not all, cultures.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. Exactly.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 12:02 AM
Sep 2018

Plus time is a factor. 3rd, 4th, 5th generation people never see the discrimination that their ancestors saw, plus, they ignore that their ancestors lived in insular communities for their own protection.

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
6. There's quite a lot of racism within the latin american community too
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:16 PM
Sep 2018

I've had to argue with many who already get offended with the term "latin american" and refuse to be associated with poorer, darker-skinned latinos.

agincourt

(1,996 posts)
8. the big delusion,
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:28 PM
Sep 2018

that I can just out think and out work everybody else. Misplaced faith in individual abilities instead of political identity.

UTUSN

(70,635 posts)
12. 1- Those going through the naturalization process qualify by the test of Americanism, i.e.,
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:58 PM
Sep 2018

demonstrating that they *want* to assimilate by studying the history and reciting it back into a test and are indoctrinated into equating wingnuttiness with being "American". Also, legitimately, lots of these really are running from oppressive socio-economic systems and *want* 19th Century unfettered Robber Baron capitalism. These are ones who are out wingnuts, who exalt their "legal" immigration, degrade the more desperate undocumented immigrants, claim that the latter take jobs, etc.

Another thing is that all countries, here the Spanish speaking, have their own spectrum of politics ranging from Left to Right, rich to poor. The first generation of Cuban exiles were from the rich/oppressive class, and there are those in the other countries.

2- As for the longer residing Hispanics who support the BUSHes: Shrub and Jeb grew up around them, heck Jeb married a Mexican, and they see the local Hispanics as hooman beings, know a few words in Spanish (Jeb knows lots), and SMILE with them. Tweety said yesterday he doesn't get why Shrub got 40% of Hispanics, it was because Shrub knew little enough how to pronounce "Beto" (not Tweety's "bay-toe" ) - it's beh-toh (short "e" and "o" ) . All it takes is some smiles and hugs and whooping it up instead of being stuck up. Guess what, Shrub is perceived by them as friendlier than Tweety who sees them as "foreign". The upside is that all other Repukes don't have the co-habiting background that the BUSHes do.

3- "many millions vote repuke"? - See 1&2, but the real problem is that as Paul BEGALA said, "not RED, but NON-VOTING". Most DON'T vote. And despite that Repuke voter suppression is disgusting and outrageous, the true secret is that they are wasting their efforts, because Hispanics SUPPRESS THEMSELVES by not voting. Also, the absurd wingnut focus on non-existent "voter fraud" and "illegals voting" - undocumented immigrants are NOT voting, are too focused on their own desperate situation, and the destitute residents are beset with their day to day SUBSISTENCE to care about keeping up with the news or to study who might help them politically, don't have the time or luxury to keep up with anything beyond daily SUBSISTENCE. And, not to bolster wingnut views, but guess what, undocumented immigrants who are detained might see being in climate controlled facilities with meals as a vast improvement over the conditions they are fleeing - plu-eeze, no flaming over this, thanks.






ChoppinBroccoli

(3,778 posts)
13. I Know Several Black Republicans And Even One Gay Republican
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:13 PM
Sep 2018

What I really want to know is how they can be a member of a Party that openly hates them, and clearly doesn't even think of them as human. Why would you call yourself a member of that group? It's disturbing to me, and the gay Republican I know gleefully spouts their talking points about Obama being a Muslim and all that stuff.

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