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Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:33 PM

Won't vote because of lack of "inspiring candidate"....

Ok, I stipulate, having a Barack Obama or Beto O'Rourke to vote for is always better. I get it. But...

At best, our elected representatives are "statesmen" or "stateswomen" and do what's truly best for us. At worst, they just do what their donors want and what will line their own pockets. A neutral position is they are simply the proxy by which we express our will. That's how I view my Senators and Representative. My DEMOCRATIC PARTY-affiliated Senators and Representive will be a more perfect proxy for my wishes. The Republicans, we all know what they do.

I don't need to be fucking inspired. Did I need to be inspired to get up on Monday morning and go to work ? Well, it HELPED, yes, but 99% of the time I was NOT inspired.

Sorry, this Chris Hayes special is just pushing my buttons.

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Reply Won't vote because of lack of "inspiring candidate".... (Original post)
steve2470 Wednesday OP
badhair77 Wednesday #1
GemDigger Wednesday #2
brush Wednesday #19
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defacto7 Wednesday #34
muntrv Wednesday #3
msongs Wednesday #4
Blaukraut Wednesday #5
steve2470 Wednesday #6
Sparkly Wednesday #7
steve2470 Wednesday #8
Sparkly Wednesday #10
steve2470 Wednesday #15
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steve2470 Wednesday #21
bdamomma Friday #66
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JI7 Wednesday #11
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JI7 Wednesday #23
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ismnotwasm Wednesday #9
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JI7 Wednesday #16
ismnotwasm Wednesday #28
Iggo Thursday #55
procon Wednesday #14
steve2470 Wednesday #18
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PDittie Friday #61
WePurrsevere Wednesday #24
Iggo Thursday #56
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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:35 PM

1. Agreed.

Looks like we need to pander to some.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:36 PM

2. I think it is pushing a lot of buttons here on DU.

I can't believe I am saying this but....maybe it's best this uninspired person does not vote.

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Response to GemDigger (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:52 PM

19. What an uninspiring a-hole. It's his duty as a citizen to vote. Vote for the party platform...

that best suits you if the candidate doesn't fucking inspire you.

It's so maddening to me that these "I'm special, you have to earn my vote" people just sat home and then have the nerve to say today after nearly two years of trump's chaos that they don't regret not voting.

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Response to brush (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:05 PM

26. Agreed they sound more like spoiled children than adults

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Response to brush (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:33 PM

34. Ah.. so voting is not entertaining enough.

Let's entertain the little narcissists with inspiring entertainers.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:37 PM

3. What are they waiting for? The second coming?

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:37 PM

4. I am inspired by honest, reliable, trustworthy with a good work ethic nt

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:38 PM

5. If Trump trying to singlehandedly trying to dismantle our democracy isn't inspiration enough

I don't know what is anymore. I would vote for a ham sandwich if it had a D in front of its name on the ballot over any republican at this point.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:39 PM

6. me too, as long as that ham sandwich could vote in Congress LOL nt

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:39 PM

7. Many of us were VERY inspired by HRC, both in 2008 AND in 2016!!

How is it that we're invisible?!?

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:43 PM

8. not here at DU :)

Chris was interviewing non-voters and why they didn't vote.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:46 PM

10. I sure noticed that.

I got up the courage to change to a Hillary avatar, posted to something having NOTHING to do with the primaries, and was attacked on a personal level that was hurtful beyond belief.

Supporters of HRC still practically have to hide away in a separate area. It's a shame...

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:48 PM

15. so sorry you were treated that way

I voted for Secretary Clinton with pride.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:52 PM

20. Thanks.

And I voted for Pres. Obama with pride, twice.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:53 PM

21. me also nt

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:02 AM

66. Me too

he was the best.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:06 PM

27. I voted for hillary in the primary and the general and im not hiding

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:46 PM

11. Obama wasnt popular in DU either

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Response to JI7 (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:47 PM

13. I remember that, I hated it nt

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Response to JI7 (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:54 PM

22. Well, HRC threw her support behind him personally and vocally

at the convention, without equivocation. Just one reason I admire her.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:57 PM

23. yes she did, and outside of du(which was full of trolls) the party was United

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:47 PM

60. The media won't allow us on the airwaves. It interferes with their preferred narrative. (eom)

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:45 PM

9. The right of voting, the very ability to vote

Is a big fucking deal. Even when I am less than enthusiastic I vote for that reason alone.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:47 PM

12. so true nt

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:50 PM

16. im almost never enthusiastic about the actual voting

it's boring paperwork and like a chore .

but i care about the issues and know certain candidates and parties do make a difference.

i entertain myself in other ways.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:07 PM

28. Especially local voting when you have to research everything

Seattle always has some drama going on, and Iíd guess thatís the same every where

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 10:26 AM

55. I vote like it's my fucking job.

And I view people who don't vote the same way I view people who don't do their fucking job.

Don't vote? Don't fucking talk to me. You won't like what I say.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:48 PM

14. Their starry eyed idealism and immaturity is painful to watch.

They made the perfect the enemy of the good and in the process, threw the baby out with the bath water.

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Response to procon (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:51 PM

18. very true nt

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:50 PM

17. Instead of crying about not being "inspired" how about voting against F**KING TERRIFYING GOP PSYCHOS

People who don't vote because they don't get warm fuzzy feelings from a Dem candidate deserve to live in the dystopian s**t-world that the GOP leaves in its wake.

Major problem, though: the harm isn't meted out only to these non-voters, we all end up living in it. F**K YOU IF YOU AREN'T VOTING.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:53 AM

61. Wonderfully inspirational words to non-voters



Something else you probably shouldn't read if it's going to trigger your snowflakes:

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/10/645223716/on-the-sidelines-of-democracy-exploring-why-so-many-americans-dont-vote

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:02 PM

24. Americans need to be less inspired by...

a candidate's personality and a whole lot more inspired by, and willing to learn about, the positions that those candidates have taken/will take on issues we care about.

I'd rather vote for a boring but truly honest, smart and caring candidate that I KNOW will vote in my and America's best interest than a colourful con who BSs and only does things that line their own pockets and/or help their rich buddies and corps.

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Response to WePurrsevere (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 10:35 AM

56. People need to get over the need to be inspired.

Grow up already, people.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #56)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:05 AM

62. I just don't think

non-voters are obligated to abide by your (or someone else's) rationalizations for voting.

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Response to PDittie (Reply #62)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:23 AM

64. That was an observation and a suggestion.

And yes, nobody's required to grow the fuck up.

They're just stupid if they don't.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #64)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 11:25 AM

67. Maybe

Do you think calling them stupid is going to get them to grow up and vote Democratic?

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:03 PM

25. I am glad I'm not watching it.

(I don't have cable.) This is the third thread I'm reading about the subject, and it's a huge peeve of mine. I probably would have thrown something through the TV screen had I seen it. I really don't know where this need to be inspired by a candidate comes from. You're voting for a person to run your government, not your lord and savior, FFS.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:09 PM

29. What They Fail to Understand is...

When they donít vote, they are giving two votes to the person they donít agree with.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:11 PM

30. steve,

Some people make silly comments to get attention on a "really big show". I encourage everyone to run for office if they are not inspired by their current choices. I do wish people like Chris would practice witty, newsworthy, suggestions at these open forums.

Like, anticipate questions, and bring a list of books to shine some light for those who chat away in total darkness. imo

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:13 PM

31. Fuck Michael Moore and this whole train of thought

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:14 PM

32. If Trump doesn't inspire you to vote against him

Youíre a lost cause. Just admit you were too lazy to put down the Xbox controller and google ďhow to voteĒ.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:18 PM

33. it's funny because these people are boring as fuck

there is nothing less inspiring than people who just want to sit back and complain nothing is good enough.

the type that does little to no listening but think people should pay attention to them while they go on about how nothing is good enough for them.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:40 PM

35. a clip from the show that makes the point

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:37 AM

48. I love love love that Chris called him out on that

I did feel bad for the kid (well, young man, but Iím old) to be made to look precious on national tv, but that ďinspire meĒ bullshit is poisonous.

Obama in 2008 was lightning in a bottle. You just canít expect that in every election year, my dude.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:03 AM

50. THIS !!!!

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #50)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 11:51 AM

57. Says it all doesn't it?

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:41 PM

36. I don't expect candidates who talk and think like me

Nobody talks and thinks like me. Nobody has a similar life experience to me. Yet I always weigh the evidence and vote for who I think will do the best job for the majority of us.

There is no messiah out there who will save us. With that in mind - choose wisely and always vote!

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:43 PM

37. That's sad to hear that people have to be inspired to vote.

Until my dad's dementia got so bad he didn't know what he was doing I took him to vote.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:44 PM

38. I avoided it because I figured it'd be like that...

Got to mention here that the Media did not really cover Hillary voters who were enthusiastic to vote for her. We either got lukewarm articles, or articles acknowledging support dashed with either antagonistic spin or snark. The net effect was an erasure of her accomplishments which dragged her to Trump's level. I will never forget the major cable news channels opting to cover Trump selling steaks instead of an econ speech by Clinton. This is just one example and not even the worst one I could think of.

I understand why Hayes staged this the way he did, it's to cater to Moore and his themes, not all I agree with. I don't think Moore has yet accepted that the zeitgeist we observed in 2016 wasn't "economic anxiety" but cultural fear and that the one defining feature of American Politics is the pendulum, and the backlash to Obama and all he represented was coming.

Third Party Voters and Non-Voters have nothing to show for their choices and indecision. For third-party voters, they had their chance to engage in a neoliberal experiment, where voting is an expression of consumer identity, now described as "conscience voting". It's a vanity project when you vote in ways which amount to nothing but allows you to brand yourself an iconoclast. Non-voters also disengage for similar reasons, though often it's due to them being low-information.

Voting has morphed into an expression of Self and Personality. And the candidate must cater to "you" and "earn your vote", which means that the candidate must always fill you with bliss and make you feel "inspired"... instead of voting seen as what it actually is - social civic action. One approach focuses on self, the other prioritizes community and best outcomes beyond one's self.

I appreciated Michael Moore delving into people's warped internal Schema of who Hillary in his little-too-late documentary "Trumpland". But beyond Hillary, he could have delved into how disinformation shaped an election, The forces behind this movement and how they target liberal democracies , that they want to turn the clock back 60 years, and how easy it is to weaponize data against individuals because this is the face of future elections.

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Response to JHan (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:26 AM

47. Consumer identity. The products (candidates) give you a personality, give you a group to

belong to that makes you feel special, feel good.

There's an idea that people aren't voting for Democrats because they don't have a message. Trump's message was always two or three words: Lock her up, drain the swamp, build that wall, crooked Hillary. Like advertising: Just do it, I'm Loving' It, Think Different, Got Milk? If we can just think up the right jingle or slogan, Trump voters, non-voters, the uninspired, everyone, will flock to the polls. Really?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:20 AM

49. Yes, and the result of being marketed to...consistently..and aggressively..

Marketing models metastasized into politics and changed the game.

It's why there's such a hyper focus on "messaging" instead of systemic issues which impact voting, instead of history, instead of mulitple factors that may impact an election. It's ALL ABOUT MESSAGING AND SLOGANS YAY.

Because it's really about branding and what you signal to the world. Think about the products we love and what they symbolize. Questions I always ask: What smart phone do you use? Do you engage in brand wars? When you wear a brand? Marlboro man is perhaps the greatest example of this, Men didn't buy Marlboro just because they preferred the taste of the cigarette, they wanted to become Marlboro man. You see it even among some liberals who boast about buying fair trade coffee and a prius ( for the record I have no problem with people buying vehicles which reduce carbon emissions) but you can't deny the signaling going on there..

In politics, how a politician brands themselves is what matters, facts and their actual record come second. If voters can closely identify with the brand, even if a politician is selling them a six for a nine and is a total fraud, they'll cling to whoever. Again, it's self centered, because the perspective is: this person must be appealing to me in every single way and seduce me. Note in none of this is there awareness that it's not just about "you" the voter but other people too, your community, your district, your state, your country, other people's rights etc. In 2016 this selfishness was personified in the type of voter who would say "you can't blackmail me into voting for her by pointing out the risks to SCOTUS" <--- that selfish nutfuckery sums it up.

EDIT : Note I have no problem looking at voters, because we get a pass. Apparently it's all up to politicians, when if you want to know where a person stands on an issue, all you have to do is look them up online and be discriminating in your sources. Just go to their website. This takes less than an hour to do. Why not learn more about government , how it works? How bills get passed? What the judiciary committee is ( do you know there are people who thought Chuck Schumer could block Gorsuch's hearings???) I get the manipulation going on to dis-empower people , fuel apathy and disconnect them from making an impact on power structures, but honestly is it too much to ask that people just try to be informed -- We get this in every other aspect of our lives, when it comes to our jobs, our education, but some how in politics........???

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:52 PM

39. American's voted and elected Obama twice. For whatever reason they were not as inspired by

Clinton as they had been by Obama. Current polling shows Democrats taking back the House and possibly the Senate. It sounds like they are inspired to me.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:47 PM

44. Even though there's no significant difference between Obama and Clinton on policy.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:50 PM

45. I think this is an example of voters responding to a charismatic individual.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:55 PM

40. Vote. Or you become a zero in the scheme of things...

If people want inspiration, BE inspiring to others and be defiantly proud of your RIGHT to HAVE a vote. And use it. Every damn time.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:59 PM

41. I heard this a lot while campaigning for Hillary

 

Mainly by younger voters who's first vote was for Obama. Now I love Obama and campaigned hard for him but he was a once in a lifetime candidate with the whole package. Since I started voting in '92, I haven't been wowed by another candidate. I voted for Clinton the first time because I didn't like Bush 1 and usually my POTUS vote was against a person I strongly disliked. People don't understand that in order to get more progressive policies you need to build on laws you already have. When you don't vote, the people that get elected will just overturned those laws and you'll have to work twice as hard to get progressive change.

Life is not all like The West Wing...although Martin Sheen can be my POTUS anytime.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:04 PM

42. I wanted to throttle that moron.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:11 PM

43. Not voting so you can make a statement?

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 12:45 AM

46. The result of using a shopping/consumer metaphor

Choosing a candidate is _not_ like shopping! A better metaphor would be maintenance or repair. The candidate has to be, at a minimum, competent - exciting is a secondary consideration.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:14 AM

51. It should push one's buttons. Anyone who is that imature, I seriously question

their critical think skills

If for no other reason the Supreme Court should have been reason enough to vote for the Democratic nominee.

Anyone who fits in that category that "wouldn't vote because they weren't inspired", deserves everything bad that happens to them as a result of the actions of this administration, and the republican Congress. THE REST OF US DON'T.




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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:43 AM

53. That Attitude Requires Thinking. . .

. . .that the election is "all about me". Never mind the other 340 million americans.

"Impress Me!" That's so selfish and shortsighted.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 10:12 AM

54. Elections have consequences

Those who had a sad because Hillary Clinton didn't give them a warm enough fuzzy, and thus refrained from voting, helped give us this mess. Obviously, based on this person, there are still others out there waiting for their warm fuzzies, and are perfectly fine with Trumpism and the horrors that come along with it. I'm fine that level of selfishness to be quite disturbing. How can someone be so selfish as to sit back and watch the country fall apart and not do something to stop it? Voting is how we keep people li,e Trump from destroying our country. It isn't meant to be an exercise in self righteousness.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:37 PM

58. If you are a citizen, voting is your ONE job.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:46 PM

59. I can count the number of candidates who have inspired me on one hand...

and still have fingers left, but I ALWAYS vote.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:07 AM

63. There is no amount of

scolding non-voters that is going to turn them into voters.

This is an epic fail in logic, folks.

Sorry to have to point this out. Don't stone the messenger.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:38 AM

65. It has never once even occurred to me to be inspired by a politician.

They're not gurus, life coaches, teachers, activists, parents, religious leaders. Their job is to deal with lots of boring things about society. Trying to make them into something they're not is propaganda and it's sad so many people are falling for it.

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