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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould you support compulsory voting?
I cant make a poll sorry.
Just curious as to what people think about citizen compulsory voting, remember you could write in anyone you want. But youd have to vote.
Thoughts?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,601 posts)I don't like the idea.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,601 posts)and pick up a ballot. "...it remains the fact that having received a ballot paper, the elector can simply fold it up and put it into the ballot box without formally marking it, if he or she objects, in principle, to casting a vote."
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,314 posts)Sure, some refuseniks will protest but I think the participation rate would increase substantially.
Thats why repigs will never go for it.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)The more people participate the better and more valid the result.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,314 posts)Im sure youve seen this...
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,787 posts)dlk
(11,514 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)LunaSea
(2,892 posts)for not voting.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Really a fine line to walk, youd have to also have some system which allows people to take off time. And be transported to the polls (mail ballots?) but then homeless couldnt vote.
All tough to resolve.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)From wiki:
Compulsory voting was introduced for the Queensland state election in 1915, for federal elections since the 1925 federal election,[26] and Victoria introduced it for the Legislative Assembly at the 1927 state election and for Legislative Council elections in 1935.[27] New South Wales and Tasmania introduced compulsory voting in 1928, Western Australia in 1936 and South Australia in 1942.[28]
The immediate justification for compulsory voting at the federal level was the low voter turnout (59.38%)[29] at the 1922 federal election, down from 71.59% at the 1919 federal election. Compulsory voting was not on the platform of either the Stanley Bruce-led Nationalist/Country party coalition government or the Matthew Charlton-led Labor opposition. The actual initiative for change was made by Herbert Payne, a backbench Tasmanian Nationalists senator who on 16 July 1924 introduced a private member's bill in the Senate. Payne's bill was passed with little debate (the House of Representatives agreeing to it in less than an hour), and in neither house was a division required, hence no votes were recorded against the bill.[30] It received Royal Assent on 31 July 1924 as the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1924.[31] The 1925 federal election was the first to be conducted under compulsory voting, which saw the turnout figure rise to 91.4%. The turnout increased to about 95% within a couple of elections and has stayed at about that level since. Compulsory voting at referendums was considered when a referendum was proposed in 1915, but, as the referendum was never held, the idea was put on hold.[29]
It is an offence to "mislead an elector in relation to the casting of his vote". An "informal vote" is a ballot paper that does not indicate a clear voting preference, is left blank, or carries markings that might identify the voter.[32] The number of informal votes is counted but, in the determination of voter preferences, they are not included in the total number of (valid) votes cast. Around 95% of registered voters attend polling, and around 5% of House of Representatives votes are informal.[33][34]
When compulsory voting was introduced in Victoria in 1926 for the Legislative Assembly, the turnout increased from 59.24% at the 1924 state election to 91.76% at the 1927 state election, but the informal vote increased from 1.01% in 1924 to 1.94% in 1927. But when it was introduced for the Legislative Council in 1937, the turnout increased from 10% to only 46%.
canetoad
(17,136 posts)Although technically, you must only turn up to the polling place and have your name marked off. Whether you actually mark the ballot or not - no-one ever knows.
It works very well. The citizens accept that it is their duty and responsibility to vote. Elections are held on Saturdays but there are postal and early voting for those who can't attend on the day.
We also have Preferential Voting - numbering the candidates in order of preference. It's been said that this doesn't result in the most popular being elected, but the least hated!
Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)Cant have too many people voting or too many Dems might win, dont you know. Sigh.
canetoad
(17,136 posts)I think after his last visit here as President, that he would adopt three of our laws in a flash; compulsory voting, universal health care and gun laws.
Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Gets funky as you go down the list though sometimes.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)That would significantly improve turnout.
MyOwnPeace
(16,917 posts)It should be a 24 hour "window" - with a 6 hour variance to cover all of the states - and it should be on a weekend - and it should be a national holiday (to celebrate/honor our democracy!).
The "variance" - all polls would open and close at the same time with the time zones considered. When the polls close in Maine they would also close in Hawaii - but the citizens of every state get 24 hours to vote!
Reason for the "variance" - no network TV could "predict" a winner while some states still have people voting, thus encouraging or discouraging voting participation.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Voting is not a guaranteed right, protected by the Constitution, I've heard. Is that true? Of course, I can look it up if the answer escapes me.
I treasure each and every opportunity to vote for the person best suited to represent me. If they fail, shame on me. It's all a learning experience because there has so far been a next round to play.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)rub me the wrong way.
meadowlander
(4,388 posts)But its not really enforced.
I support making it a lot easier to vote. It should be a national holiday at the least.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,601 posts)But I don't like the idea of making voting compulsory.
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)How hard would it be to send anyone a voter registration card on their 18th birthday, or register them proactively when getting their license?
Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)When they were doing the paperwork after I passed the test, they asked me if I wanted to register to vote, I said yes. Only took them another minute to register me and I got my card in the mail a week later.
demmiblue
(36,823 posts)On thing that comes to mind are those who already face barriers to voting (poor, disabled, poc, etc.). I sure as shite wouldn't want them to face any penalties for not voting.
How about we concern ourselves with making voting easier for all of our fellow citizens?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Just asking the question, I honestly didnt even realize it was compulsory in some places until today.
demmiblue
(36,823 posts)it wasn't directed at you.
It is just so frustrating that these communities are facing more and more attempts by republicans to silence their voices. :sigh:
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Here's what happens if you you don't, you will not be eligible for federal student aid, federal job training, a federal job, or U.S. citizenship. You may be prosecuted and face a stiff fine and/or jail time.
demmiblue
(36,823 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Penalties for Failing to Register. Failing to register or comply with the Military Selective Service Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to five years, or a combination of both.!!
Voltaire2
(12,962 posts)But automatic registration and voting incentives- Lulzd he a tax credit would be great.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,314 posts)Voltaire2
(12,962 posts)marlakay
(11,426 posts)She said about 95% of the people vote because of that, you get fined if you don't. Sure you can vote for Donald Duck Mikey Mouse and some do she said, but very very few.
She said because you have to vote even young people look up who they are voting for. And she is in her late 30's.
greymattermom
(5,751 posts)Free to voters.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)At least if they willingly go, they surely have opinions (perhaps not informed opinions) and would be more careful when voting.
lindysalsagal
(20,584 posts)Generic Brad
(14,272 posts)You can lead a citizen to the polls but you cannot make them vote.
Neal Peart of Rush said it best: If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I prefer even minimally informed enthusiastic voters over non-informed vindictive voters.
liberalmuse
(18,671 posts)As we're witnessing, a Democratic Republic ends up being sold to the highest bidder when people refuse to be responsible citizens and stewards of their own government. We have too many lazy, ignorant people in this country and they're dragging us all down with them. We should have voting over 2 days, with the choice of taking 1 of these days off with pay to vote. If you don't vote, you should be fined at least $50, with those funds going towards ensuring the integrity of our voting system. Before you get to vote, you have to take and pass a civics/government course.
sarisataka
(18,495 posts)You are fined for not voting but cannot vote until you take and pass a test.
What happens to those who simply cannot pass the test? Will they be fined every single election?
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)First Amendment:
You would just have to vote, but you could leave it blank, or vote for anyone. Its actually encouraging people to excercise their right to free speech...
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)When you say compulsory voting thats a lot more than "encouraging" people to exercise their right to free speech.
What's the penalty for not voting? Death? What is this, New Hampshire? 8^0
catrose
(5,059 posts)Same message as None of the Above, which is possible on the ranked ballots I've seen.
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I am going to assume youd like to make it easier to vote, to reduce restrictions on voting (say voter ID laws). And then in almost the same breath say uninformed ignorant people shouldnt vote... should we discourage them to vote?
You cant have it both ways.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)Sometimes the choices are so bad... when this happens I get disgusted with the whole process and do not vote. And I don't care what people say or think about that.
randr
(12,409 posts)Not sure if they still do but this would be incentive or at least raise money that could pay for elections.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)would be very helpful.