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Would you support compulsory voting? (Original Post) Agschmid Sep 2018 OP
How would it be enforced, and what would the penalty be if you didn't vote? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #1
Check out this... Agschmid Sep 2018 #5
But in practice voting isn't compulsory - you just have to show up at the polls The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #11
True. Agschmid Sep 2018 #16
True, but I think most people would vote while they are there. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #39
I think a higher participation rate is better, no matter what. Agschmid Sep 2018 #45
Which is why repigs would fight it tooth and nail. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #48
Thanks I'll watch, I haven't seen it. Agschmid Sep 2018 #49
If the person makes it that far they are more likely to mark something. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #55
Instead, Perhaps a Tax Break or Other Incentive for Voting dlk Sep 2018 #2
No. n/t tammywammy Sep 2018 #3
I believe Australia has some form of this. Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #4
Five dollar fine LunaSea Sep 2018 #7
Minimal, but also a "poor tax" IMO. Agschmid Sep 2018 #13
Yes they do... a few other countries do as well. Agschmid Sep 2018 #8
We sure do canetoad Sep 2018 #15
All of those things make way too much sense for the GOP to go for them. Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #20
Do you remember Obama saying canetoad Sep 2018 #26
If only.....our ruling party, the GOP wants no part of those things. Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #36
I like ranked voting, I've done it before when I lived in VT. Agschmid Sep 2018 #23
Make election Tuesday a holiday or move election day it to a weekend YessirAtsaFact Sep 2018 #24
Yes! MyOwnPeace Sep 2018 #53
No. Maybe a public shaming for those who don't. :) Hoyt Sep 2018 #6
That might work! Lol. Agschmid Sep 2018 #10
I like your answer, Hoyt. saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #21
No. Compulsory voting would lead to incredibly uninformed choices. Besides, compulsory things Shrike47 Sep 2018 #9
New Zealand has compulsory registration meadowlander Sep 2018 #12
Fully agree on making it easier. Agschmid Sep 2018 #14
I think people should be automatically registered when they turn 18. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #17
Automatic voter registration when getting a license/turning 18 would be better Blaukraut Sep 2018 #18
Florida let's you register to vote at the DMV. Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #22
Same in Indiana. I moved back here a few months ago and needed to get a new drivers license. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #54
No. demmiblue Sep 2018 #19
I agree about making it easier for sure. Agschmid Sep 2018 #25
After reading my response, it may have come of as harsh... demmiblue Sep 2018 #31
WTF How about mandatory registration for the draft? Vote or lose qualification for student aid etc. YOHABLO Sep 2018 #29
Whoa... did you mean to respond to me?! n/t demmiblue Sep 2018 #34
BY the way YOHABLO Sep 2018 #35
No. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #27
I vote for free whiskey at the polls. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #41
Thashagradidere! Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #43
Yes my online friend in Australia is that way marlakay Sep 2018 #28
Lottery ticket greymattermom Sep 2018 #30
No. Too many people are uninformed on elections and, if forced to vote, would just fill in boxes. Frustratedlady Sep 2018 #32
I used to think so, but not since so many people turned out to be completely clueless. lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #33
Nope. Generic Brad Sep 2018 #37
No. fescuerescue Sep 2018 #38
I support it. liberalmuse Sep 2018 #40
Interesting dilemma sarisataka Sep 2018 #56
1st amendment violation aikoaiko Sep 2018 #42
I don't see it... Agschmid Sep 2018 #46
Not voting is protected speech by my way of thinking. aikoaiko Sep 2018 #50
Yes TwistOneUp Sep 2018 #52
The French call it "voting white" catrose Sep 2018 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Meadowoak Sep 2018 #44
This is such a bullshit thing to say... Agschmid Sep 2018 #47
No TwistOneUp Sep 2018 #51
Doesn't Australia fine you if you dont vote? randr Sep 2018 #57
No, but automatic registration and election holidays WhiteTara Sep 2018 #58
Absolutely Not! trixie2 Sep 2018 #59

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,601 posts)
11. But in practice voting isn't compulsory - you just have to show up at the polls
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:16 PM
Sep 2018

and pick up a ballot. "...it remains the fact that having received a ballot paper, the elector can simply fold it up and put it into the ballot box without formally marking it, if he or she objects, in principle, to casting a vote."

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,314 posts)
39. True, but I think most people would vote while they are there.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:46 PM
Sep 2018

Sure, some refuseniks will protest but I think the participation rate would increase substantially.

That’s why repigs will never go for it.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
45. I think a higher participation rate is better, no matter what.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:07 PM
Sep 2018

The more people participate the better and more valid the result.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
13. Minimal, but also a "poor tax" IMO.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:17 PM
Sep 2018

Really a fine line to walk, you’d have to also have some system which allows people to take off time. And be transported to the polls (mail ballots?) but then homeless couldn’t vote.

All tough to resolve.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
8. Yes they do... a few other countries do as well.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:14 PM
Sep 2018

From wiki:

Voting is compulsory at federal elections, by-elections and referendums for those on the electoral roll, as well as for State and Territory elections. Australia enforces compulsory voting.[23] People in this situation are asked to explain their failure to vote. If no satisfactory reason is provided (for example, illness or religious prohibition), a fine of up to $170 is imposed,[24] and failure to pay the fine may result in a court hearing and additional costs. About 5% of enrolled voters fail to vote at most elections. In South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia voting at local elections is not compulsory.[25]

Compulsory voting was introduced for the Queensland state election in 1915, for federal elections since the 1925 federal election,[26] and Victoria introduced it for the Legislative Assembly at the 1927 state election and for Legislative Council elections in 1935.[27] New South Wales and Tasmania introduced compulsory voting in 1928, Western Australia in 1936 and South Australia in 1942.[28]

The immediate justification for compulsory voting at the federal level was the low voter turnout (59.38%)[29] at the 1922 federal election, down from 71.59% at the 1919 federal election. Compulsory voting was not on the platform of either the Stanley Bruce-led Nationalist/Country party coalition government or the Matthew Charlton-led Labor opposition. The actual initiative for change was made by Herbert Payne, a backbench Tasmanian Nationalists senator who on 16 July 1924 introduced a private member's bill in the Senate. Payne's bill was passed with little debate (the House of Representatives agreeing to it in less than an hour), and in neither house was a division required, hence no votes were recorded against the bill.[30] It received Royal Assent on 31 July 1924 as the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1924.[31] The 1925 federal election was the first to be conducted under compulsory voting, which saw the turnout figure rise to 91.4%. The turnout increased to about 95% within a couple of elections and has stayed at about that level since. Compulsory voting at referendums was considered when a referendum was proposed in 1915, but, as the referendum was never held, the idea was put on hold.[29]

It is an offence to "mislead an elector in relation to the casting of his vote". An "informal vote" is a ballot paper that does not indicate a clear voting preference, is left blank, or carries markings that might identify the voter.[32] The number of informal votes is counted but, in the determination of voter preferences, they are not included in the total number of (valid) votes cast. Around 95% of registered voters attend polling, and around 5% of House of Representatives votes are informal.[33][34]

When compulsory voting was introduced in Victoria in 1926 for the Legislative Assembly, the turnout increased from 59.24% at the 1924 state election to 91.76% at the 1927 state election, but the informal vote increased from 1.01% in 1924 to 1.94% in 1927. But when it was introduced for the Legislative Council in 1937, the turnout increased from 10% to only 46%.

canetoad

(17,136 posts)
15. We sure do
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:18 PM
Sep 2018

Although technically, you must only turn up to the polling place and have your name marked off. Whether you actually mark the ballot or not - no-one ever knows.

It works very well. The citizens accept that it is their duty and responsibility to vote. Elections are held on Saturdays but there are postal and early voting for those who can't attend on the day.

We also have Preferential Voting - numbering the candidates in order of preference. It's been said that this doesn't result in the most popular being elected, but the least hated!

Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
20. All of those things make way too much sense for the GOP to go for them.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:20 PM
Sep 2018

Can’t have too many people voting or too many Dems might win, don’t you know. Sigh.

canetoad

(17,136 posts)
26. Do you remember Obama saying
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:26 PM
Sep 2018

I think after his last visit here as President, that he would adopt three of our laws in a flash; compulsory voting, universal health care and gun laws.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
23. I like ranked voting, I've done it before when I lived in VT.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:24 PM
Sep 2018

Gets funky as you go down the list though sometimes.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
24. Make election Tuesday a holiday or move election day it to a weekend
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:26 PM
Sep 2018

That would significantly improve turnout.

MyOwnPeace

(16,917 posts)
53. Yes!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:29 PM
Sep 2018

It should be a 24 hour "window" - with a 6 hour variance to cover all of the states - and it should be on a weekend - and it should be a national holiday (to celebrate/honor our democracy!).

The "variance" - all polls would open and close at the same time with the time zones considered. When the polls close in Maine they would also close in Hawaii - but the citizens of every state get 24 hours to vote!

Reason for the "variance" - no network TV could "predict" a winner while some states still have people voting, thus encouraging or discouraging voting participation.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
21. I like your answer, Hoyt.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:20 PM
Sep 2018

Voting is not a guaranteed right, protected by the Constitution, I've heard. Is that true? Of course, I can look it up if the answer escapes me.

I treasure each and every opportunity to vote for the person best suited to represent me. If they fail, shame on me. It's all a learning experience because there has so far been a next round to play.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
9. No. Compulsory voting would lead to incredibly uninformed choices. Besides, compulsory things
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:14 PM
Sep 2018

rub me the wrong way.

meadowlander

(4,388 posts)
12. New Zealand has compulsory registration
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:17 PM
Sep 2018

But it’s not really enforced.

I support making it a lot easier to vote. It should be a national holiday at the least.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,601 posts)
17. I think people should be automatically registered when they turn 18.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:18 PM
Sep 2018

But I don't like the idea of making voting compulsory.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
18. Automatic voter registration when getting a license/turning 18 would be better
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:18 PM
Sep 2018

How hard would it be to send anyone a voter registration card on their 18th birthday, or register them proactively when getting their license?

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
54. Same in Indiana. I moved back here a few months ago and needed to get a new drivers license.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:33 PM
Sep 2018

When they were doing the paperwork after I passed the test, they asked me if I wanted to register to vote, I said yes. Only took them another minute to register me and I got my card in the mail a week later.

demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
19. No.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:19 PM
Sep 2018

On thing that comes to mind are those who already face barriers to voting (poor, disabled, poc, etc.). I sure as shite wouldn't want them to face any penalties for not voting.

How about we concern ourselves with making voting easier for all of our fellow citizens?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
25. I agree about making it easier for sure.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:26 PM
Sep 2018

Just asking the question, I honestly didn’t even realize it was compulsory in some places until today.

demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
31. After reading my response, it may have come of as harsh...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:35 PM
Sep 2018

it wasn't directed at you.

It is just so frustrating that these communities are facing more and more attempts by republicans to silence their voices. :sigh:

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
29. WTF How about mandatory registration for the draft? Vote or lose qualification for student aid etc.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:32 PM
Sep 2018

Here's what happens if you you don't, you will not be eligible for federal student aid, federal job training, a federal job, or U.S. citizenship. You may be prosecuted and face a stiff fine and/or jail time.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
35. BY the way
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:38 PM
Sep 2018

Penalties for Failing to Register. Failing to register or comply with the Military Selective Service Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to five years, or a combination of both.!!

marlakay

(11,426 posts)
28. Yes my online friend in Australia is that way
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:26 PM
Sep 2018

She said about 95% of the people vote because of that, you get fined if you don't. Sure you can vote for Donald Duck Mikey Mouse and some do she said, but very very few.

She said because you have to vote even young people look up who they are voting for. And she is in her late 30's.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
32. No. Too many people are uninformed on elections and, if forced to vote, would just fill in boxes.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:35 PM
Sep 2018

At least if they willingly go, they surely have opinions (perhaps not informed opinions) and would be more careful when voting.

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
37. Nope.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:43 PM
Sep 2018

You can lead a citizen to the polls but you cannot make them vote.

Neal Peart of Rush said it best: If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

liberalmuse

(18,671 posts)
40. I support it.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:48 PM
Sep 2018

As we're witnessing, a Democratic Republic ends up being sold to the highest bidder when people refuse to be responsible citizens and stewards of their own government. We have too many lazy, ignorant people in this country and they're dragging us all down with them. We should have voting over 2 days, with the choice of taking 1 of these days off with pay to vote. If you don't vote, you should be fined at least $50, with those funds going towards ensuring the integrity of our voting system. Before you get to vote, you have to take and pass a civics/government course.

sarisataka

(18,495 posts)
56. Interesting dilemma
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:06 PM
Sep 2018

You are fined for not voting but cannot vote until you take and pass a test.

What happens to those who simply cannot pass the test? Will they be fined every single election?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
46. I don't see it...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:09 PM
Sep 2018

First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


You would just have to vote, but you could leave it blank, or vote for anyone. It’s actually encouraging people to excercise their right to free speech...

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
50. Not voting is protected speech by my way of thinking.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:17 PM
Sep 2018


When you say compulsory voting thats a lot more than "encouraging" people to exercise their right to free speech.

catrose

(5,059 posts)
60. The French call it "voting white"
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:55 PM
Sep 2018

Same message as None of the Above, which is possible on the ranked ballots I've seen.

Response to Agschmid (Original post)

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
47. This is such a bullshit thing to say...
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:11 PM
Sep 2018

I am going to assume you’d like to make it easier to vote, to reduce restrictions on voting (say voter ID laws). And then in almost the same breath say uninformed ignorant people shouldn’t vote... should we discourage them to vote?

You can’t have it both ways.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
51. No
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:26 PM
Sep 2018

Sometimes the choices are so bad... when this happens I get disgusted with the whole process and do not vote. And I don't care what people say or think about that.

randr

(12,409 posts)
57. Doesn't Australia fine you if you dont vote?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:23 PM
Sep 2018

Not sure if they still do but this would be incentive or at least raise money that could pay for elections.

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