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https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/12/new-york-prosecutors-move-to-bring-down-trump-and-his-kids.htmlPosted on Wed, Sep 12th, 2018 by Leo Vidal
New York Prosecutors Move to Bring Down Trump and His Kids
CNN has reported that New York state prosecutors have asked to meet with Michael Cohens attorney. This shows that the State of New York is not waiting for Bob Mueller or other federal law enforcement authorities to pursue criminal investigations against Donald Trump or his children.
After the Michael Cohen plea deal we reported that the Trump Organization could be implicated in federal crimes, and the federal prosecutors were pursuing those crimes.
We also reported that if Mueller didnt want to go after Donald Trump and his business right now, that New York State prosecutors might want to go ahead instead of waiting for the feds to make their move.
Now it appears that this is exactly what is going on.
With all the different parties involved, and all the different potential crimes involved, this situation can get confusing. The most important thing to know right now is that New York is pursuing two different lines of criminal investigation that involve the president and his children:
The Trump Foundation.
We knew that it was full steam ahead with respect to the Trump Foundation lawsuit, as we have reported previously.
But we didnt know until this week that New York was going to move immediately to investigate the Trump Organization for its state crimes.
According to CNN:
State tax officials are examining potential tax fraud by the Trump Organization.
Federal prosecutors are continuing to pursue a line of inquiry stemming from their Cohen investigation: whether Trump Organization executives violated campaign finance laws.
The New York tax department now also appears to be examining the Trump Organization based on information included in the federal charges against Cohen.
Here are the details of state tax crimes:
The company then paid out those invoices as legitimate business expenses, which would be tax fraud.
The tax department is also examining whether the Trump Organization failed to keep accurate books and records, which is also a crime under state law.
If the tax department finds any wrongdoing they will refer the matter to the state attorney general for prosecution.
Weve always known that Donald Trump cannot pardon anyone on state level charges, so this news is a big deal for the president and his family.
Also, there is no rule that says the presidents business (The Trump Organization) or the presidents children cannot be indicted while he is president.
And New York prosecutors look like they are moving very aggressively and dont want to wait to pursue criminal charges.
And theres nothing Donald Trump can do about it. Three of his children Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka are involved in finances of both the Trump Organization and the Trump Foundation. So they might be implicated in the companys illegal financial maneuvers.
In short, New York State can indict and arrest Trumps kids while hes still in office.
Donald Trumps horrible week appears to be getting even worse.
ScratchCat
(1,981 posts)They quickly and easily found evidence of violation of State tax laws and forwarded it to the NYAG's office. It was always "the trump card", so to speak, because there is nothing Don can do to get rid of the investigation or pardon people at the end. They don't have to wait - and are not going to wait - because of the dire circumstance we face. It was very clear that about two months ago, "it was decided" that he had to go as soon as possible. It may have been Helsiki, it may have been the trade war or it may be a combination of several things. But it appears that "it was decided" and its all over but the removal.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)No pardons are available.
No DOJ "guidelines" artificially elevating the President above the law are applicable.
I hope many other state AGs pile on; the Trump Syndicate has committed crimes in nearly every state in the land.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)Can't happen soon enough for me.
shanny
(6,709 posts)I hope they get after Manafort quickly too since (according to TPM) it looks like the pardon fix is in.
malaise
(268,943 posts)NOW!
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)honest.abe
(8,678 posts)In addition, if this gains some steam, it will give the Mueller investigation even more credibility.
Things are definitely looking up!
Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)The Machiavellian side of me wonders if there have been talks between Mueller and NY. I see this as a way to protect Mueller's investigation because it would be astronomically worse for trump to try and dismantle any prosecution or investigation when evidence of wrong doing in NY becomes apparent. I sincerely doubt that NY will be as leak proof as Mueller and information as to the crimes of the trumps will become public knowledge.
ScratchCat
(1,981 posts)that there are most likely sealed indictments for anyone who's last name is "Trump" at the federal level and probably the State level as well. Financial crimes aren't hard to prove and certainly not hard to get an indictment for. With the speed that they got Manaforte, you can easily see how they could have the same charges lined up for others.
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)neohippie
(1,142 posts)Maybe there are other lines being pursued
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kushner-companies-fined-lying-about-rent-regulated-tenants_us_5b84aaf1e4b0cf7b002e5609
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)New York state tax department investigators are scheduled to meet Tuesday with an attorney for President Donald Trumps former personal lawyer Michael Cohen."
Hey Jr? Still think you're not going to jail?
When Jr. and his dumb-ass brother are locked up, there will be a lot of wild animals that will be safe from these blood-thirsty fucks.
K&R
watoos
(7,142 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)Dish all of the juicy deets on where Uday and Qusay spent their money! Strippers (the acorns don't fall far from the tree!), drugs, the lot.
What I'm waiting for is the dirt on Kushner. Lying to the NYC bldg dept that none of the apartments he converted were rent controlled... Didn't he have to swear on that? Ain't that perjury?
I'd really like to see some arrest warrants for tax fraud and perjury, so I can look at the NYC DA and say,
"Aw, he went to Jared!"
NCjack
(10,279 posts)is what they had in mind for Bill and Hillary Clinton when they entered the White House.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)dhill926
(16,337 posts)B Stieg
(2,410 posts)are these Trumps!
REGISTER and VOTE!
THX, B Sister! (shake it)
Bettie
(16,091 posts)and a crap human being. I figured he was probably dishonest, but I didn't particularly care one way or another what happened to him.
Now, for the first time in my life, I actively hope for other people (Circus Peanut and his spawn) to go to prison, to lose everything and be humiliated. Not proud of it, but it is there.
They will be implicated, I can't imagine how they couldn't be. I hope they all go to prison.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)They will of course try to take this to the stacked Supreme Court but NY state judges can deny their appeals.
Even if TRump is not impeached, he will serve time after he leaves office.
I don't understand how they've already gotten away with so many crimes.
I'll be dancing, unapologetically, when seeing them locked away. 💃
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Trump's arrogance and narcissistic personality will never allow jail time. He is trying to stack the Supreme Court to prevent prosecution for federal crimes, but can't do much about state crimes.
He only has one last resort option to fall back on.
He has a private plane. It will be fully fueled. It will be at a private airport and can take off at any time.
He will load up all his guilty spawn and they will fly off to Saudi Arabia (which is, in my opinion, the only safe place to go to with no extradition treaty, arranged by Jared on his trip) and continue to be "President Trump, in exile", and continue to wreak havoc on our democracy.
I don't think he will go to Russia because Putin will tire of him and kill him.
He will still be in the headlines daily, because he will make sure that his echo chamber keeps him in the news.
I am afraid we will never be rid of this cancerous cyst in the body politic.
But it doesn't mean that we should not pursue all legal options to rid ourselves of him.
Once he/they are gone, we need to use his own playbook and set about undoing EVERYTHING he has done, especially removing all judges he appointed. If he appointed them, they have dirt in their background, which should be used to impeach them, or make their lives so miserable they will resign.
But that is just my opinion, and hopes.
YMMV
FSogol
(45,480 posts)That assumes planning which Trump and his ilk are incapable.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Sorry to say.
The Feds & NY state should freeze and confiscate all the assets they leave behind. That's doable.
Thx!
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)The suspicion that if things get too hot and too close, trump's gonna make a run for it. News will dribble out slowly at first - that nobody can account for trump's whereabouts. Suddenly, nobody can find him. Nobody knows where he is. And come to think of it, nobody's sure where Melania is. OR Barron. And then it'll start into "...AND Ivanka and Jared!" And then "AND his other two sons. Where's Donnie Junior? And Eric? Anybody seen 'em?"
And then after lots of reporting is scrambled on this, and every source is tapped, somebody finally confirms something. They're GONE. An unidentified private jet took off from a nearby airport. Lots of hush-hush and unmarked black SUVs.
Washington would be thrown into complete chaos. Hyperventilating will be the new most popular indoor sport. Mike Pence would be wetting his pants at the thought of inheriting the Oval Office and trying not to appear at all hungry. So he'd hem and haw and there'd be lots of debate and insanity and gnashing of teeth as they try to figure out what position to take. trump gone? How quickly do we declare him replaceable? Should we remain loyal? And if so, for how long? How long before somebody invokes Amendment 25? How long before Pence gets tired of waiting and trying to look benign and unambitious, and asserts his entitlement to the job promotion, and whatever else. And how long will it take before others on that side of the aisle start arguing about whether to support him or start carving out some big future plans of their own?
This Is Just A Guess, mind you.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)play up the missing part at first, could be kidnapping of the first family, the search for clues, White House in turmoil and on and on
then there could be a new Lost TV show it could go on for many seasons and all be true
calimary
(81,220 posts)MuseRider
(34,105 posts)and I really like it. I don't use nicknames a lot, not the nastier one's anyway even though I think they are funny. This one is actually perfect. Thanks. Did you make that up?
You are not alone, I find myself wanting to see him being chased by his goons as he runs in circles in his big boy pants ranting at the sky shaking his tiny fists. Then I want to see him after the drugs wear off feeling for the first time humiliation. I am not certain a malignant narcissist like this jackass can feel those things under any circumstances but I do want to see him feel the feelings we have for him for once in his life to be brought down to the level that we all live in and realize that just because he thinks things does not make them true or even worthy of another thought and no matter how much he wants us to all be living through his mind and thoughts he should finally know that we do not give a crap what he is thinking and don't appreciate having to deal with the effects of his negligent, ignorant governance.
Ahhhhh, back to work. I think I feel better Circus Peanut, lol.
Bettie
(16,091 posts)but I saw circus peanuts at our local grocery store the day after the election and have called him that on and off ever since.
I just want them gone from the public eye. They are horrific and a stain on our country.
triron
(21,999 posts)That's what I really want to see.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I need to believe there is some justice in the world.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)They sent crimes to the State Courts instead of Fed Courts knowing that they could NOT be pardoned.
DavidDvorkin
(19,473 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)ffr
(22,669 posts)His game face. He thinks he's got nothing to worry about.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211126215
Marcuse
(7,479 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,892 posts)ffr
(22,669 posts)One will cause a storm surge. The other will cause a tяump family fury surge.
jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)"Overlapping probes that could cause hiccups."
Hiccups? Could interfere with the Federal plea deal? If Cohen thinks he could be imprisoned by the state, he'd be less likely to spill beans for the Feds to avoid prison time?
Duppers
(28,120 posts)"The tax department spokesman declined to comment prior to the publication of this story. After publication, the spokesman, James Gazzale, contacted CNN by email to say, "This is misinformation. Neither The US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York or any other law enforcement agency expressed that the US Attorney's Office did not want us to continue with our investigation of state tax matters."
Hekate
(90,645 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)... and it never was. This is strictly the State of New York, and all I can say is, it's about eff-ing time! Trump Foundation has been cheating on state income taxes for plenty long enough. No funds have ever been "donated" to any charitable cause as far as anyone knows. They've been playing fast & loose with the books for way too long, gotten tax-exempt status by cheating, and they've been using the Foundation for scurrilous things like hush money to Cheeto's women among other things.
The special prosecutor has enough on his plate investigating the Russian interference and quid pro quos. This Trump Foundation stuff is something the NYS Attorney General could have pursued at any time, no matter what Robert Mueller has to say. Time to get to work!
Fla Dem
(23,652 posts)They never anticipated their decades of corruption and fraud would be uncovered. Having operated in a bubble of secrecy and deception, they did not anticipate how their whole operation would come under public scrutiny once he became a public figure as opposed to a private business man unanswerable to anyone.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)DT was/is vile... but this is the exact point that I lost it and started to really hate... when DT Jr said the presidency would be a step down for his father the entire family should lose all monies and spend the rest of their lives shoveling snow and cleaning toilets (what I and many people do, and see no problem with it)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/20/donald-trump-jr-step-down-orig-vstop.cnn
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)Ya can't tell the players withoutcher program. Gitcher programs here.
volstork
(5,400 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)besides the image of Ivanka, Jared, Uday and Qusay, and Trump himself in bright orange,
It's a state prosecution, so there can be no presidential pardons.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)C Moon
(12,212 posts)Go to hell Putin!
The U.S. Constitution will beat you down yet!
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)No pardons for you, grifting spoiled entitled wastes of oxygen.
Daddy's going to FREAK the fuck OUT!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Why did it take so fucking long? It's obvious the Trumps are a crime family.
citizen blues
(570 posts)It doesn't matter if Trump is prosecuted. His kids will all be in jail, the state will have seized all of his assets as the fruits of criminal activities, and he will leave the White House absolutely BROKE! And nobody - not here, not abroad - is going to be willing to ever touch him again!
For him, this is worse than going to jail! He will be humiliated and laughed at all the way to the poorhouse!
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)SO MUCH WINNING!!!!!
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)THAT's the best part of it.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)In 2016 he bought the Berkeley pit. That is 2 superfund sites he owns that I know off. This bastard and his corrupt and toxic family needs to go ASAP. It needs to be done so that no other person even thinks about screwing this country again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit
samplegirl
(11,476 posts)SergeStorms
(19,195 posts)I......love New York! That's an old NY advertising campaign, by the way. My home state. I've tried living in other places, but I always end up back in New York. Crappy winters, but other than that she's a wonderful old state.
Go get that family of grifters, liars and crooks!
Toorich
(391 posts)....really be Indicted? Will the Tangerine Turd even care?
sellitman
(11,606 posts)I think Trump will look good in Orange.
ecstatic
(32,685 posts)Where was the oversight over dump's fake, unregistered foundations, criminal tax evasion, etc? He should have been locked up long ago!
spanone
(135,827 posts)Marcuse
(7,479 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)He will play the same games he's played in the courts for all his life - stall, delay, counter-sue, demean, wall-to-wall right-wing bullshit and lies on TV, and a social media attack perhaps like nothing we've seen before. We'll also see personal attacks on investigators and prosecutors. I also suspect he will be calling a lot of old friends in NY to help with his bag of dirty tricks.
Regardless, I think at least a couple of them will be indicted but the best thing of all this is that he will leave a huge shit stain on the GOP that will last for many decades.
And, hell no, we won't forget........ .........