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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:13 PM Jan 2012

Iowa: The Meaningless Sideshow Begins (Matt Taibbi)

Iowa: The Meaningless Sideshow Begins

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The 1% donors are remarkably tolerant. They’ll give to just about anyone who polls well, provided they fall within certain parameters. What they won’t do is give to anyone who is even a remote threat to make significant structural changes, i.e. a Dennis Kucinich, an Elizabeth Warren, or a Ron Paul (hell will freeze over before Wall Street gives heavily to a candidate in favor of abolishing their piggy bank, the Fed). So basically what that means is that voters are free to choose anyone they want, provided it isn’t Dennis Kucinich, or Ron Paul, or some other such unacceptable personage.

If the voters insist on supporting such a person in defiance of these donors – this might even happen tonight, with a Paul win in Iowa – what you inevitably end up seeing is a monstrous amount of money quickly dumped into the cause of derailing that candidate. This takes overt forms, like giving heavily to his primary opponents, and more covert forms, like manufacturing opinions through donor-subsidized think tanks and the heavy use of lapdog media figures to push establishment complaints.

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Thus the guy like George W. Bush, who dodged the draft and lied about his National Guard Service, steams to re-election, while a guy like Howard Dean – really not any kind of real threat to the status quo, whose major crimes were being insufficiently pro-war and finding an alternative source of campaign funding on the net – magically falls off the map and is made a caricature after one loony scream before Iowa.

The reason 2012 feels so empty now is that voters on both sides of the aisle are not just tired of this state of affairs, they are disgusted by it. They want a chance to choose their own leaders and they want full control over policy, not just a partial say. There are a few challenges to this state of affairs within the electoral process – as much as I disagree with Paul about many things, I do think his campaign is a real outlet for these complaints – but everyone knows that in the end, once the primaries are finished, we’re going to be left with one 1%-approved stooge taking on another.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/iowa-the-meaningless-sideshow-begins-20120103#ixzz1iQpeoNXj

He has a point about Elizabeth Warren, but Ron Paul is a corporate tool.

Paul signed Grover Norquist's pledge.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/atrfiles/files/files/120111-federalpledgesigners.pdf

He signed it in 2008 too: http://www.atr.org/rep-ron-paul-signs-presidential-taxpayer-a1489





http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/01/02/395363/gop-economic-agenda-for-the-one-percent/



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Iowa: The Meaningless Sideshow Begins (Matt Taibbi) (Original Post) ProSense Jan 2012 OP
true, but Taibbi specified the Fed Enrique Jan 2012 #1
Yes, ProSense Jan 2012 #3
Hahaha!!! There sure is a lot of diversity in the GOP Klown Kar act!! Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #2
The ProSense Jan 2012 #4
And the donald is making noises. He had a big gala new years eve and I saw the photos. monmouth Jan 2012 #9
KO says he is not "The Donald", he is "The Dick". Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #12
Love it. monmouth Jan 2012 #13
Hooray for the Montana SC BeyondGeography Jan 2012 #5
Very good analysis. mmonk Jan 2012 #6
Ron Paul couldn't end the fed, even if he was elected. killbotfactory Jan 2012 #7
You cannot switch a PIG for a HORSE and still call it a horse. CarmanK Jan 2012 #8
Did Taibbi write anything untrue? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #10
Did ProSense Jan 2012 #11
Are you a Ron Paul supporter? alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #15
No and no, but I guess you're for Romney? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #16
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #17
Some like it all in black and white, I prefer a full-color world. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #18
Feel free to portray alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #19
Apparently you feel free to fabricate that I "support Republicans." JackRiddler Jan 2012 #20
Oh, the drama! alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #21
Ah, last line of defense, I see. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #22
Kick! n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #14
This is an excellent column by Tabibi, well worth the read, depicting how corporate supremacy works. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #23

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
1. true, but Taibbi specified the Fed
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:18 PM
Jan 2012

everything you say is true, imo, but Taibbi is very specific about why he says Wall Street won't support Paul, it's because of his position on the Fed. I don't know if it's true or not, but your graphic doesn't address it.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. Yes,
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:24 PM
Jan 2012

"true, but Taibbi specified the Fed everything you say is true, imo, but Taibbi is very specific about why he says Wall Street won't support Paul, it's because of his position on the Fed. I don't know if it's true or not, but your graphic doesn't address it."

...but I don't think Paul's position on the Fed has anything to do with it. I mean, by supporting policies to eliminate regulations and lower corporate taxes, Wall Street would have a run of the place.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
2. Hahaha!!! There sure is a lot of diversity in the GOP Klown Kar act!!
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jan 2012

I can't wait for Sister Sarah to come out!!



monmouth

(21,078 posts)
9. And the donald is making noises. He had a big gala new years eve and I saw the photos.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jan 2012

Whomever is married to Julia Koch (her photo with her couture dress was in the paper) were in attendance. They are neighbors
on South County Road...

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
12. KO says he is not "The Donald", he is "The Dick".
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jan 2012

I read KO's twitter post the other day and just about fell out of my chair laughing when I read that.

No love lost there between Olbermann and Trump.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
7. Ron Paul couldn't end the fed, even if he was elected.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jan 2012

All he would accomplish, with a republican congress anyway, is gutting social welfare programs and shitcanning as many regulations on the corporate world as possible. All this other crap he supports that have so called progressives swooning for him, like the drug war, and our use of military power, he would be effectively blocked from doing anything meaningful on.

CarmanK

(662 posts)
8. You cannot switch a PIG for a HORSE and still call it a horse.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jan 2012

The repugs want to KILL MEDICARE, not kill medicare as we know it.
It is KILL MEDICAre and introduce privatized insurance network subsidized with vouchers.
It is not Medicare, it is a whole new approach to Health CARE delivery for seniors.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
10. Did Taibbi write anything untrue?
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 06:19 PM
Jan 2012

Are the big Wall Street banks or hedge funds in fact contributing to Ron Paul?

Or is Taibbi's offense that he called the Federal Reserve a piggy-bank for Wall Street?

Thanks anyway for hyping another fine column by Mr. Taibbi. He deserves all the readers he gets, including the ones you send his way.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. Did
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jan 2012

"Did Taibbi write anything untrue?"

...I say he did?

"Or is Taibbi's offense that he called the Federal Reserve a piggy-bank for Wall Street?"

Are you offended that I called Ron Paul a corporate tool?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
17. ROFL
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:08 PM
Jan 2012

Um, no. Find a single post where I say anything nice about him.

Wish the same absence was there on your side...

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
19. Feel free to portray
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 12:00 AM
Jan 2012

your support for Republicans on this forum in the broadest - or most colorful - possible light.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
20. Apparently you feel free to fabricate that I "support Republicans."
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 12:05 AM
Jan 2012

The same logic: Anyone who opposed the Iraq war supported Saddam.

Anyone who opposed Bush supported the terrorists.

You're striving for an greater extreme.

Anyone who doesn't support Obama on all points, even critique from the left - especially from the left! - supports Republicans.

PS: Oh, and "supporting Obama" means conducting non-stop witchhunts for heretics. Because that's the way to sway the undecided readers who might wander in here!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
21. Oh, the drama!
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 12:10 AM
Jan 2012

"non-stop witchhunts for heretics"



You think anybody cares that much about you and your piddling 2% of the vote? Please.

By the way, I like Tiabbi and this article, so I guess there goes your whole completely invented, but charmingingly melodramatic, martyrdom scenario.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
22. Ah, last line of defense, I see.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:52 PM
Jan 2012

First, demonstrate obsession with certain persons by way of a daily multi-thread witchhunt.

When called on it, laugh VERY loud at the notion that you care about these people.

Biggest ROFL smiley wins!

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
23. This is an excellent column by Tabibi, well worth the read, depicting how corporate supremacy works.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jan 2012

I believe Matt nailed the systemic dysfunctiion that money and the corporate media have come to play in brainwashing the people in pre-selecting their choices.



Thanks for the thread, ProSense.

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