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Avenatti: like him or loathe him, he's got a point.... (Original Post) hlthe2b Sep 2018 OP
He left out snowybirdie Sep 2018 #1
The things he left out are to numerous for one tweet. Merlot Sep 2018 #3
Nuclear option, McCain, gold star families flibbitygiblets Sep 2018 #9
Add to that his incarcerating babies at our border, among other things. pazzyanne Sep 2018 #25
Yes - outrageous icaria Sep 2018 #38
Don't forget the way dubya's campaign SCREWED John McCain. calimary Sep 2018 #50
Who (besides republicans) called for a kinder gentler democratic party? Merlot Sep 2018 #2
"when they go low, we go high"? maxsolomon Sep 2018 #5
Pelosi LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #10
yes nt Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #27
and this is one of the reasons ut oh Sep 2018 #45
Agree 100%. Snackshack Sep 2018 #4
He's right. These repugs play for keeps, keeping themselves in power in all branches of government. brush Sep 2018 #6
Yes! KT2000 Sep 2018 #7
I absolutely agree. Don't bring a nail file to a knife fight. Vinca Sep 2018 #8
At least a nail file has the right shape. shanny Sep 2018 #12
He nails it again. Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #11
And I give Avenatti President Obama and his administration. aikoaiko Sep 2018 #13
I agree with him 100% smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #14
This is my problem with Obama... GetRidOfThem Sep 2018 #15
Obama started his career as a community organizer. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #28
Obama needed to be agreeable ... RazBerryBeret Sep 2018 #41
But Obamas style then is such a HUUUUUGE contrast to now, I'm glad he was that way. nt 7962 Sep 2018 #46
President Obama played it to perfection lunatica Sep 2018 #48
He's absolutely correct. Butterflylady Sep 2018 #16
Well said onetexan Sep 2018 #29
Excellent point Moral Compass Sep 2018 #17
I TOTALLY agree. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #18
K&R Puzzler Sep 2018 #19
I agree with him completely. BadgerMom Sep 2018 #20
First... VOTE! keithbvadu2 Sep 2018 #21
I have a hard time Sucha NastyWoman Sep 2018 #22
We need fighters like this. Nice guys finish last re:Gore,Kerry& Hillary Pepsidog Sep 2018 #23
I'm grateful he's on our side. sandensea Sep 2018 #24
Hear hear onetexan Sep 2018 #31
If only! sandensea Sep 2018 #33
He left out the Dean Scream!!! ALBliberal Sep 2018 #26
Agreed. This fight is just begining in my opinion. The opposition does not play by the rules c-rational Sep 2018 #30
Absolutely! Ligyron Sep 2018 #32
ANd the theft of teh 2004 election. Amaryllis Sep 2018 #34
Loathe him? What zentrum Sep 2018 #35
He's right! 'When They Go Low, We Hit Harder,' RestoreAmerica2020 Sep 2018 #36
Totally agree gopiscrap Sep 2018 #37
Agree! Nice guys lose to bullies. UCmeNdc Sep 2018 #39
I agree with Avenatti. n/t whathehell Sep 2018 #40
Trump afraid to tweet about Avenatti? dottie66 Sep 2018 #42
If you continue to look the other way when the other side cheats, you are a fool not to Baitball Blogger Sep 2018 #43
I'm over this guy nini Sep 2018 #44
Nope he killed Tucker and Democrats not fighting back is why we keep losing. leftofcool Sep 2018 #47
The chevron about creepy lawyer was not seen or known by Avenatti at the time lunatica Sep 2018 #49
I expected way more out of them then because .. nini Sep 2018 #56
I love Maxine Waters! lunatica Sep 2018 #57
Easiest thing attacking the Democrats. Also, how to lose my vote. robbedvoter Sep 2018 #51
I agree with Avenatti and I am tired of the "Keeping our Powder Dry" theory.... Pachamama Sep 2018 #52
I'm with you lunatica Sep 2018 #58
republikans declared war on democracats & democracy, we need to pick up our guns. pansypoo53219 Sep 2018 #53
russiapublicans will find and use any means possible awesomerwb1 Sep 2018 #54
Like him ... earthshine Sep 2018 #55
 

icaria

(97 posts)
38. Yes - outrageous
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:00 AM
Sep 2018

For anyone thinking of George W Bush as a warm, cuddly friend of Michelle Obama, just remember he did that. They did that.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
50. Don't forget the way dubya's campaign SCREWED John McCain.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:58 PM
Sep 2018

When McCain won the New Hampshire primary and looked like a real threat, kkkarl rove and Lee Atwater and their flying monkeys from Hell were put to work in the next state. South Carolina. An “anonymous” phone campaign called voters and asked: “would you vote for John McCain if you knew he’d fathered a black child out of wedlock?”

John and Cindy McCain had adopted a little girl from Bangladesh. She happens to be dark-skinned. The nation saw her with the family, in mourning for her dad at the recent services for him. It made me so angry to remember that HORRID, fucking LYING smear on her! Her name is Bridget and she was, and still is, a civilian. A total noncombatant. Not involved. Innocent as can be! And these bastards felt they had to pick on an innocent CHILD to bloody up her father.

As an adoptee myself, I will NEVER forget OR forgive that. TOTALLY uncalled for and out of bounds! How dare they!!!! Of course, it was an effective smear, unfortunately. dubya went on to beat McCain in South Carolina and pretty much took him out of the game.

As far as I can remember, there was never any apology issued for that from bush Inc., either. For a long time, I also hated McCain for that - because he didn’t smack that one back. Said pretty much nothing about it, and later was seen to hug dubya onstage while campaigning with him somewhere. NO. You DO NOT do that to someone who sought to attack you by smearing your adopted daughter who was still a little girl at the time, thus besmirching your marriage, and your wife (your daughter’s mother)! He said nothing. Held no press conference, issued no statement, voiced no outrage to denounce it at the time. Nothing.

It’s one thing if they attacked the other daughter, Meghan, but she was out there already, in public, campaigning actively for her dad. She put herself out there. Voluntarily. As an adult. Big girl, knew what she was getting into. So okay then. Fair game. Her younger sister didn’t. And remained a private citizen not involved in any campaigning, and too young anyway. So SHE was NOT fair game. Even though kkkarl rove later blew it all off as fair game. Fucking Bastard!

This is the same FUCKING reprehensible mindset that led people to criticize Chelsea Clinton when she, too, was too young to get into the campaign for HER dad, and was a gawky young teen. Fucking Limbaugh repeatedly called her “the White House Dog.”

God I hate these bastards...

ut oh

(891 posts)
45. and this is one of the reasons
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:16 PM
Sep 2018

that we need a change in leadership. I don't have anything against Pelosi per se (she was my rep for 20 years). It's just her approach to all the GOP BS seems to be 'treat them with kid gloves'.

I agree with Avenatti on this front.

brush

(53,743 posts)
6. He's right. These repugs play for keeps, keeping themselves in power in all branches of government.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:47 PM
Sep 2018

And they're not just after the federal government. If they get a few more statehouses they can hold a Constitutional Convention and amend it to take out all progressive measures since the New Deal, and Great Society, hell, they may go back to women not voting and AAs being re-enslaved.

No more Mr. Nice guy/gal.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
12. At least a nail file has the right shape.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:39 PM
Sep 2018

We've been using sporks and it has been going on for decades.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. I agree with him 100%
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018

He would not be my first pick for presidential candidate, but I would rather have a fighter like him than someone who rolls over in the face of republican lies and abuse. I'm sick of it. If we don't start producing some real fighters (and yes, I know there have been some great sens & reps who have spoken out, but I want to see a more aggressive response), we might as well throw in the towel.

There is so much we can call them on and we need to start doing it and continue to do it over and over again.

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
15. This is my problem with Obama...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:42 PM
Sep 2018

...he was not agressive enough. He was superb on many levels, but had his idealism make him cave at key moments.

Avenatti is on target...

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
28. Obama started his career as a community organizer.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:04 PM
Sep 2018

The task of a community organizer is to seek consensus.

That explains Obama. Lovely man.

Republicans exploited that.

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
41. Obama needed to be agreeable ...
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:27 PM
Sep 2018

I believe the GOP tried hard to paint him as an angry black man. he never gave them that opportunity. I commend that, but it is sad that he had to be so measured. IMO.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
48. President Obama played it to perfection
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:00 PM
Sep 2018

He kept his cool and that is a phenomenal move, showing a command in self discipline that will be hard to repeat for anyone. He never lost it. Never. He just persisted against odds that made the rest of us cry.

Butterflylady

(3,537 posts)
16. He's absolutely correct.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:45 PM
Sep 2018

Like Harry Truman said, " If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." We can no longer be the nice guys, however, it can be done in a very diplomatic way.

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
29. Well said
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:09 PM
Sep 2018

Punch back hard - its about time and we need someo ne on our side as smart but toigh like avenatti

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. I TOTALLY agree.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:53 PM
Sep 2018

Tough times call for tough action.

This is not a time for pretty words, and acting deferential toward a group of criminals & hoods masquerading as a checks and balances branch of government.

I want Democratic leaders to bear down HARD on Senators who say they're undecided on Kavanaugh. I want Democratic politicians to wake up and realize they're dealing with a widespread conspiracy among the Republicans and against the United States, all for personal gain. And I EXPECT appropriate action in response to that.

You know all that strong language and foot stamping over silly allegations against Franken? And then kicking him out of their presence? I want to see THAT kind of behavior regarding an unfit, criminal President and his gaggle of criminal, treasonous cohorts in the Senate and House and staff.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,741 posts)
22. I have a hard time
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:37 PM
Sep 2018

Seeing any other Democrat be as strong as Avenatti

Experience won’t be as valuable as balls. I hope he runs

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
23. We need fighters like this. Nice guys finish last re:Gore,Kerry& Hillary
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:46 PM
Sep 2018

Tired of losing to these lying, cheating no good republican scum

sandensea

(21,600 posts)
24. I'm grateful he's on our side.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:53 PM
Sep 2018

He's great tactically and strategically - plus, he's a straight shooter and a man of ideals.

The right man at the right time, if you ask me.

c-rational

(2,589 posts)
30. Agreed. This fight is just begining in my opinion. The opposition does not play by the rules
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:14 PM
Sep 2018

or play fair. They need to be justly vanquished for our country's sake.

Ligyron

(7,616 posts)
32. Absolutely!
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:26 PM
Sep 2018

We have played nicey, nice way too long and slowly but surely, one surrender after another basically let a bunch of criminals, the puppets of an evil cabal, take over the government. We are in a fight now for our children's and grand children's future and really the very future of the free world.

We need fighters and I just hope it's not too late.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,434 posts)
36. He's right! 'When They Go Low, We Hit Harder,'
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:53 AM
Sep 2018

'When They Go Low, We Hit Harder,' Michael Avenatti Tells N.H. Democrats. ( JOSH ROGERS • AUG 20, 2018 nhpr)

[Snip
Avenatti himself tends to offer a more contemporary rationale for a potential candidacy. He says Democrats mostly need a nominee capable of doing one thing: pounding Donald Trump in a campaign that Avenatti says will be a street fight.

"And I believe that this is all about match-ups. So if the Democratic Party proceeds to nominate the person who would be the best president that would be a mistake. Because we had that person back in 2016."

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
43. If you continue to look the other way when the other side cheats, you are a fool not to
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:59 PM
Sep 2018

recognize that you are going to lose.

Just this weekend my friend shared a learning experience with me. She was in high school and they were voting for class captain, or maybe it was team captain of a sports team. She lost by one. The person who counted the votes went up to her and told her, if you aren't going to vote for yourself, you don't deserve to win.

Why that's so eye-opening is that most of us who grew up in households where our parents were public-servants would have had difficulty voting for ourselves. We are taught from a very young age to be selfless. Truly selfless.

We learn these lessons the hard way.

nini

(16,672 posts)
44. I'm over this guy
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:06 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)

He let Tucker Carlson get the upper hand - Tucker fucking Carlson.

If this blowhard it going to bash Democrats while supposedly supporting our side he can kiss my ass I have not heard anyone calling for a kinder, gentler Dem party. Not one. There's so much wrong with his approach it makes me want to barf.





leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
47. Nope he killed Tucker and Democrats not fighting back is why we keep losing.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 02:39 PM
Sep 2018

He's right about fighting back and he is right on the issues that matter. But you carry on.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
49. The chevron about creepy lawyer was not seen or known by Avenatti at the time
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:05 PM
Sep 2018

Had he known he would have reacted in his take no prisoners way.

And the consensus is that Avenatti won hands down.

nini

(16,672 posts)
56. I expected way more out of them then because ..
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 05:39 PM
Sep 2018

if you went by his tweets the impression is he would've wiped the floor with carlson.. He let Carlson talk over him way too much and get the last word.

It should matter what the chevron said and that was completely typical right wing crap.

My rep is Maxine Waters.. I'll take her no nonsense approach any time. She can deliver it when she needs to and it's not about just her when it's said and done. She is my bad ass of choice.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
57. I love Maxine Waters!
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 05:33 AM
Sep 2018

And she reacts and takes on whatever is thrown at her! But Avenatti does too.

There are lots of people who think Maxine Waters goes too far, or is too reactionary, but it's the reason we love her. I think Avenatti is like her in that way. He doesn't take shit from anyone just like Maxine.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
51. Easiest thing attacking the Democrats. Also, how to lose my vote.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:07 PM
Sep 2018

Avenatti is clever, but as narcissistic as 🍊. As he would say: Basta!

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
52. I agree with Avenatti and I am tired of the "Keeping our Powder Dry" theory....
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:09 PM
Sep 2018

He is spot on....and he is not weak and isn't a fake....

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
58. I'm with you
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 01:32 PM
Sep 2018

These are not normal times and they call for non-normal tactics. Otherwise we cease to be a Democracy. History is replete with examples of tyrants taking over because it was easy for them. Because they could do so without much of a fight.

pansypoo53219

(20,955 posts)
53. republikans declared war on democracats & democracy, we need to pick up our guns.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:24 PM
Sep 2018

go ON the defensive, don't be offensive.

awesomerwb1

(4,265 posts)
54. russiapublicans will find and use any means possible
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 05:05 PM
Sep 2018

to step on the Dem party.

This may have sounded hyperbolic to me a couple years ago, but not now: we're not only fighting for the US but for the whole planet.

Gloves off yesterday.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
55. Like him ...
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 05:17 PM
Sep 2018

He just has to beat the other candidates in the debates and he can have my vote in the primary.

I also want Al Franken to make an attempt to run for Pres.

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