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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:14 PM Sep 2018

I just reread the 65-women letter and realized why they could get it out so quickly:

Last edited Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:29 AM - Edit history (3)

It's GENERIC.

There's nothing in it that connects specifically with the current accusation.

And then I was thinking about the way Kavanaugh has been decorating himself with females throughout the whole process -- even bringing Catholic school girls to the hearing to sit there in their plaid uniforms and peter pan collars while he testified.

So I'm wondering if they knew he was a "carouser" in high school and college (and maybe beyond), and so they were trying to inoculate him against any ME,TOO complaints that might come forward. So they put together a list of 65 women who would sign a character reference to be issued whenever it was needed.

And they used as a cover-story (for gathering the signatures) their concern that women might not like him because of suspicion about Roe V. Wade. But if that was their REAL concern, they would have released this letter long ago. No, they were waiting for a woman like Christine Blasey Ford to step up.

That's why this letter is so vague. It could have been written about ANY accusation involving a woman. So they just stuck a date on the top and handed it over the day after Prof. Ford came forward.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/65-women-from-kavanaugh-high-school-days-wrote-letter-attesting-integrity

We are women who have known Brett Kavanaugh for more than 35 years and knew him while he attended high school between 1979 and 1983. For the entire time we have known Brett Kavanaugh, he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect. We strongly believe it is important to convey this information to the Committee at this time.

Brett attended Georgetown Prep, an all-boys high school in Rockville, Maryland. He was an outstanding student and athlete with a wide circle of friends. Almost all of us attended all- girls high schools in the area. We knew Brett well through social events, sports, church, and various other activities. Many of us have remained close friends with him and his family over the years.

Through the more than 35 years we have known him, Brett has stood out for his friendship, character, and integrity. In particular, he has always treated women with decency and respect. That was true when he was in high school, and it has remained true to this day.

The signers of this letter hold a broad range of political views. Many of us are not lawyers, but we know Brett Kavanaugh as a person. And he has always been a good person.



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I just reread the 65-women letter and realized why they could get it out so quickly: (Original Post) pnwmom Sep 2018 OP
Very good point. But really, "Dr. Blasey" or "Dr. Ford" is her professional title spooky3 Sep 2018 #1
Thanks, spooky3. I wasn't sure because of the news reports, but you make a good point. pnwmom Sep 2018 #2
thank you. Yes, she has a doctorate in educational psychology, I believe. nt spooky3 Sep 2018 #3
Sounds like tRump wrote the damn thing benld74 Sep 2018 #4
Good observation. There's no way they could have collected those 65 names The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #5
Well, at the least they probably knew he was in the all-male frat-like group at Yale, TNC, pnwmom Sep 2018 #6
"Tits and Clits." Very classy. 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #15
You're right. They had it ready, but I think they knew about the incident... brush Sep 2018 #22
not many teenage boys had 65 female friends one suspects nt msongs Sep 2018 #7
One KNOWS. I attended an all girls school. He probably knew some girls pnwmom Sep 2018 #10
I think that the letter is itself an accusation as strong efhmc Sep 2018 #8
The Republicans knew exactly what was out there. dchill Sep 2018 #9
That's what it is. n/t pnwmom Sep 2018 #11
But, like Medicare, it only covers 80 percent. dchill Sep 2018 #12
It was focused on his, and their, high school years. marybourg Sep 2018 #13
I bet he has a group of signatures ready for every incident too. In GA they've been playing an ad ecstatic Sep 2018 #14
What We Know Horizens Sep 2018 #16
Agreed... Even 1 victim is 1 too many. djacq Sep 2018 #19
My husband attended a private Catholic boys high school in the early 1960s 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #17
Emphasis on HS means this incident was of specific concern, appalachiablue Sep 2018 #18
I went to Catholic Schools from 1-12 grade and I can say with certainty that JoeOtterbein Sep 2018 #20
There have been TV ads for weeks...all women! BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #21
I think the abortion issue was their cover story for gathering the signatures for the letter, pnwmom Sep 2018 #29
A Tweet from NBC News's Kasie Hunt seems to bear your theory out: Denzil_DC Sep 2018 #23
But if it was ROE v. WADE they would have put this letter out long ago. pnwmom Sep 2018 #28
He also clerked and worked for Kozinski DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #30
I think Roe v Wade was just a cover story for why they were gathering these character references. pnwmom Sep 2018 #38
You make a good point DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #41
Precooked propaganda. n/t moondust Sep 2018 #24
The letter writers state "Many of us are not lawyers..." Bluepinky Sep 2018 #25
That is a key point to track. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #39
What stands out to me is that none of us have kept up with PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2018 #26
I agree. And having attended a single-sex school, I know his claim is even more ridiculous. pnwmom Sep 2018 #27
He was evidently drinking and partying, too DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #31
Yeah, but not with 65 girls. Probably with a handful of girls he knew from the neighborhood pnwmom Sep 2018 #32
Doubtful these 65 women all knew him from high school DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #34
I agree -- but they wrote the letter in such a way that that's the way it's being reported pnwmom Sep 2018 #37
I heard on MSNBC this morning, DeminPennswoods Sep 2018 #40
Excellent, excellent observations. Thanks. nt Hekate Sep 2018 #33
They totally overplayed this one. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #35
Kick dalton99a Sep 2018 #36

spooky3

(34,441 posts)
1. Very good point. But really, "Dr. Blasey" or "Dr. Ford" is her professional title
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:18 PM
Sep 2018

and it should be used. She is a professor with a doctorate, not defined only in relation to a man. I know you didn't intend that but that is what the title "Mrs." can imply, and in this context I think it is important.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
2. Thanks, spooky3. I wasn't sure because of the news reports, but you make a good point.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:19 PM
Sep 2018

Personally, I think "Professor Ford" is even better than "Dr," so that's what I used. (the phd's I know don't call themselves Dr., even at work.)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
5. Good observation. There's no way they could have collected those 65 names
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:26 PM
Sep 2018

in a day. They must have had this letter ready to go if/when anything came up suggesting he had ever behaved in any way inappropriately with women - even if they didn't know yet about this specific complaint. Somebody must have suspected or known he'd been catting around or downright abusive at some point and wanted to be prepared.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
6. Well, at the least they probably knew he was in the all-male frat-like group at Yale, TNC,
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:32 PM
Sep 2018

otherwise known as "Tits 'n Clits."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/the-yale-secret-society-brett-kavanaugh-joined-was-mostly

In a private Facebook group composed of more than 20,000 Yale alumni this week, some members have noted Kavanaugh's stated membership of TNC; most people commenting on the group have described it as “informal” and “minor.”

“Other societies were looking for a prestigious family background, or your GPA. Each had their own personalities,” said Sherry. TNC, Sherry said, was unique: It was “organized around having sex with coeds.”

Several years before Kavanaugh was initiated into TNC, Sherry said, the people on campus called the group by an “alternate nickname”: “Tit and Clit.”

brush

(53,771 posts)
22. You're right. They had it ready, but I think they knew about the incident...
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:13 AM
Sep 2018

and were still determined to force him unto the Court.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
10. One KNOWS. I attended an all girls school. He probably knew some girls
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:41 PM
Sep 2018

from his street, or the sisters of his male friends at school. The idea that he became good friends with 65 girls through his extracurriculars is laughable. Football and basketball players don't hang out with girls while playing their games at other schools.

efhmc

(14,725 posts)
8. I think that the letter is itself an accusation as strong
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:38 PM
Sep 2018

as his rape accusal. The repugs knew this or something like it in his past was coming and had the letter ready.

ecstatic

(32,693 posts)
14. I bet he has a group of signatures ready for every incident too. In GA they've been playing an ad
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 11:45 PM
Sep 2018

where a woman of an ambiguous racial background (who claims to be a democrat) is vouching for him. She explicitly describes herself as a "minority" in the ad.

 

Horizens

(637 posts)
16. What We Know
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:00 AM
Sep 2018

We now know that there are 65 women on the planet that Kavanugh didn't attempt to rape.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
17. My husband attended a private Catholic boys high school in the early 1960s
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:01 AM
Sep 2018

I just asked him about how many female friends he would estimate he had, and he said, “Maybe 12.”

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
18. Emphasis on HS means this incident was of specific concern,
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:05 AM
Sep 2018

with extra cushion for 35 years they've known him since then.

Nada about time in college, law school and beyond. And he didn't marry until almost age 40, 2004. b. 1965.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
20. I went to Catholic Schools from 1-12 grade and I can say with certainty that
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:10 AM
Sep 2018

at least several of the so called "men-of-god" who called themselves "priests", and who were absolutely "in charge" of both "churches", were child abusers.

Do I need to say more?

I believe her.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
21. There have been TV ads for weeks...all women!
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:12 AM
Sep 2018

On CNN and MSNBC they are running ads and have been for at least 3 or 4 weeks. They piss me off because they are on my stations that I watch and not Fux Rise. I yell rude things at the TV every time I hear it.

They planned ads two months ago aimed at educated, liberal women and are using white women as actors to say how wonderful Kavanaugh is. They knew the abortion issue was going to come up so they planned this strategy for that. They didn't know that he has no respect for women beyond this issue until now, so they will be using this ad big time this week to counter attack the sexual assault allegations too.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
29. I think the abortion issue was their cover story for gathering the signatures for the letter,
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:33 AM
Sep 2018

which started long ago. They knew that he could be subject to MeToo allegations , and wanted to be ready when they came.

It wasn't any secret that he was a drinker, and that he'd belonged to a club at Yale known for its alcohol and nicknamed Tits 'n Clits.

So they've been working to inoculate him against Me,too ever since he was nominated. And that's why they have been rushing this through. And that's why they put this letter together. If this letter were about Roe V. Wade it would have been released long ago.

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
23. A Tweet from NBC News's Kasie Hunt seems to bear your theory out:
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:19 AM
Sep 2018



Kasie Hunt
@kasie

Just don’t forget they did a lot of legwork to prepare to defend Kavanaugh with women on other issues — Roe for example — and so had a lot of names compiled. Months ago I sat with a former female law clerk who vouched for him and was helping organize similar people

Geoff Garin @geoffgarin

I am curious about the letter from the 65 women -- WHO organized it, and WHEN. I would bet a lot that it did not happen spontaneously, and that it was planned well in advance because Kavanaugh's backers knew this was coming.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
28. But if it was ROE v. WADE they would have put this letter out long ago.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:52 AM
Sep 2018

Roe V. Wade was probably their cover story for why they were gathering these signatures.

But they were really saving it for a Me,Too allegation. And they finally got one.

DeminPennswoods

(15,285 posts)
30. He also clerked and worked for Kozinski
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:37 AM
Sep 2018

who had to resign because of sexual harassment allegations.

TBH, I doubt they had any idea about what he did in high school, but they had women character references ready beforehand to help qualm fears about how he'd rule on Roe and because he worked for Kozinski.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
38. I think Roe v Wade was just a cover story for why they were gathering these character references.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:35 PM
Sep 2018

If it was really Roe v Wade, they would have released the letter a long time ago.

I think they gathered them because they knew he was likely to be subject to MeToo allegations -- among other things, he belonged to the heavy-drinking all-male social club at Yale nicknamed "Tits 'n Clits" -- so they wanted to be ready when it happened.

Bluepinky

(2,268 posts)
25. The letter writers state "Many of us are not lawyers..."
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:36 AM
Sep 2018

which implies that many or most of them are lawyers. It might be beneficial to contact some of these women and find out how they know Brett. Have all these women actually known him for 35+ years?

LiberalFighter

(50,905 posts)
39. That is a key point to track.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:37 PM
Sep 2018

How and when did they actually know each other. Where did they go to school? What activities did they connect?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
26. What stands out to me is that none of us have kept up with
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:40 AM
Sep 2018

that many people we knew back in high school. Depending on how large your school was (I graduated in a class of about 425), you only knew a relatively few of your fellow students. Heck, my sons graduated from a very small independent school, class size about 40, and as small as that was there were students they never had a class with all four years.

I attend my high school reunions. I think they are great fun. But what stands out most when I go is how many of my fellow graduates I barely knew. It is great fun re-connecting, or even connecting with someone I barely knew back then.

So 65 women signing a letter saying they knew him back then? It doesn't pass the smell test.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
27. I agree. And having attended a single-sex school, I know his claim is even more ridiculous.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:50 AM
Sep 2018

He was busy with student government and with sports. Neither of those would have brought him into frequent contact with girls at other schools.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
32. Yeah, but not with 65 girls. Probably with a handful of girls he knew from the neighborhood
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:47 AM
Sep 2018

as well as the sisters of his friends at school.

That's how it works at single-sex schools. You don't make friends with dozens of members of the opposite sex at other schools.

And arriving drunk at a mixer every couple months doesn't facilitate getting to know girls very well.

DeminPennswoods

(15,285 posts)
34. Doubtful these 65 women all knew him from high school
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 06:35 AM
Sep 2018

IIRC, the letter says they've known him for 35 years tops, so maybe some have known him since high school, but that would be college and beyond since he graduated high school in 1983 or 84.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
37. I agree -- but they wrote the letter in such a way that that's the way it's being reported
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:32 PM
Sep 2018

in many places as if they've known him since high school.

I'll tell you what I found when I checked the very first name: a woman who was appointed by the very corrupt Gov. Rowland of CT to a state position, who is married to a man who was a state office holder for over 10 years, who was also accused of corruption but seems to lost a re-election attempt in 2004 because of a sex scandal in which the paper reported his activities "could make Anthony Weiner blush." And in 2011 he was on the verge of winning the position of state GOP chair when articles came out about his previous corruption and sex scandals.

So maybe this woman has a warped perspective on what constitutes a good man. It looks like they're still married -- at least White Pages has them in the same household.

DeminPennswoods

(15,285 posts)
40. I heard on MSNBC this morning,
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 03:56 PM
Sep 2018

I think it was Hallie Jackson or whoever's on at 10AM, that she contacted most, if not all, of the women who signed this letter and only 2 were willing to speak to her!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
35. They totally overplayed this one.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:04 AM
Sep 2018

That there are 65 women who knew him in high school well enough to attest to his character is just not credible in any universe. They'd have been better off with maybe a dozen or so signatures, which might have been believable. 65 just isn't.

If one of my high school classmates had been nominated for the Supreme Court and I was contacted with a request to vouch for his character, I doubt I could come up with anything more than that to the best of my recollection he seemed like a nice guy who, as far as I know, didn't rape anybody.

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