watching Morning Joe re Kavanaugh

[mnhtnbb]

and no one is asking the question or making the point that despite the difficulty of validating Dr. Ford's allegation of sexual misconduct, and Kavanaugh's denial, what does it say when you add the denial to the other allegations of perjury by Kavanaugh?

Is this not just another example of a guy lacking integrity and ethics? How can someone like this be appointed to the Supreme Court?

[Ohioboy]

1. In Kavanaugh's case, lack of integrity might be why he's there.

I was always suspicious of how he ended up on Trump's short list so suddenly. Trump needs things set up in his favor.

[True Blue American]

16. After Mueller was named.

His statement about a President not being prosecuted should have drowned Kavanaugh in normal times. Plus his vendetta against Clinton and supporting torure in the Bush Adminstration.

[malaise]

2. Jimmy Carter coming up shortly n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

4. Thanks!

[malaise]

5. Good morning

[PearliePoo2]

3. Kavanaugh was added because he will rule that a President is above the law and...

R-V-W will be overturned.

Donnie Deutsch opined that he will be SHOCKED if Kavanaugh makes it through now.

[OnDoutside]

6. Excellent point, hopefully someone will join the dots.

[malaise]

7. Apparently Turley forgot that Garland didn't even get a hearing

I don't give a flying fuck if the Con and his goons don't get a conservative judge before mid-terms.

[OnDoutside]

9. Turley is an arse of longstanding. Surprising that the champion of #MeToo, Mika, hasn't chimed in

with "I believe her", just loud sighs. Well, not surprising...

[malaise]

10. Yep

And Dr Christine Ford is willing to testify

[OnDoutside]

13. Most excellent !

[catbyte]

31. That's really something, considering the shameful way Anita Hill was treated by

Republicans in the Senate. And, if anything, the GOP has only gotten worse since then.

[malaise]

33. You know that there is not one female RETHUG on this Committee

Hope they continue shooting themselves in the foot.

[Hortensis]

11. :) Thinking only those incapable of seeing them haven't

connected these dots.

Joe's not talking morality this morning, Mika's hypocritical murmurs aside. He's talking politics. Some big developments here, hopefully total game changers.

The Republicans are complaining that we didn't produce Ms. Ford 2 months ago so they'd have time to swiftboat her into having to leave the country. Now they don't have time.

They also apparently don't have time to confirm a different candidate before the midterms. Would ramming this one through, with national discussion of who he is and what they did continuing afterward, cost them their senate majority?

Those senate Democrats for whom voting against Kavanaugh might have thrown their seats to Republicans now may just have an excuse their voters can accept.

Etcetera. Big doings. Our senators have managed to significantly improve our positions regarding both Kavanaugh and what happens on November 6.

[OnDoutside]

12. It really looks like they have Donnie Deutch to do the dirty work of saying Kavanaugh's nomination

is dead....there was no comeback from Mika and Joe.

For all the dirty acts of McConnell over the years, this would be a payback that would be talked about for generations, if Feinstein derails Kavanaugh. Lovin' it !

[malaise]

14. For real

I hope he has to withdraw

[OnDoutside]

18. Listening to Dick Durbin chatting to Donnie, you know that might just happen. If they bring Dr Ford

before the committee, and the likes of Cruz lay into her, it could do massive damage to be seen as victimising her all over again, with only 50+ days left to Nov 6th. Then do they bring Kavanaugh back before them, to give his side ? OR does McConnell do a Feck You and press ahead with the vote, which could blow up in his face ? Especially the pressure that would put on Collins and Murkowski, plus all the Midterm campaigns.

The great thing is Dr Ford seems credible and has passed a lie detector test. You can be sure they will be trying to destroy her character but even that is fraught with danger.

[malaise]

20. Sadly I remember Anita Hill and

Clarence Thomas

[Honeycombe8]

34. I remember that, too. After Anita Hill, Thomas was confirmed with 11 DEMOCRATIC SENATOR votes.

He easily made the confirmation, with the help of Democrats, despite the Anita Hill allegations, which IMO were very real, more recent in time, and involved the workplace, and he was very much an adult. It did not involve physical aggression, but it was a lewd, offensive, and somewhat physical encounter...and the lewdness wasn't a one-time thing.

Still, the MEN had no problem with that. They compared it to Michael Jackson's sister's book, telling all about Michael Jackson and young boys. The shock to them was not Michael Jackson's behavior, but that his sister would write a book about it! So, that was the mentality. Why would a woman try to ruin a man's reputation by telling all, even if true?

I hope we've progressed past those days. We'll see.

[Hortensis]

15. Oh, stopped and haven't seen him yet.

Not all that crazy about him, but I'll watch now.

Lovin' McConnell flipped and pinned also, next move probably his though I hope we can headbutt him in the nose while we're on top.

[Ilsa]

21. Deutch was great. He pressed the issue that

not offering Ford a hearing was a "We're not listening to you women" message, just what the gop needs ahead of an election where women are expected to turn out in higher numbers.

[OnDoutside]

37. And can you imagine Chuck Grassley asking questions ? Shudder...

[DeminPennswoods]

39. Kasie Hunt Sunday show

mentioned that she had just been in Colo in one of the swing districts with lots of suburban R women. She said they were just hearing about Dr Ford's allegations, talking about it and not happy with the GOP.

[True Blue American]

25. Leave it to Donny:)

Holliman does not do bad either!

Joe looks like he swallowed a sour pickle this morning.

[OnDoutside]

36. Hahaha, very good !

[watoos]

8. He will get confirmed because

he is everything the Trump/Republican party stands for.

He will help overturn Roe v Wade, he is anti-immigrant, anti-minority, anti-woman, anti-democracy. He will protect the despot Trump and by doing so protect the Trump/Republican party.

The man is not only a liar which Trump admires, but he is a monster. He has taken the side of corporations over workers 87% of the time. He is the farthest reich wing justice I have seen in my 71 years. A couple more justices like this monster and we can forget about our 1st Amendment rights.

[JHB]

17. Is anyone bringing up the perjury?

The Republicans are pushing onto the SC a man for whom there are already firm grounds for his impeachment.

[JonLP24]

19. I've seen perjury all the time but never anyone punished for it

Unless they're on trial. This probably angers people more I know it Trump's it for me.

[beachbum bob]

22. clinton was impeached for perjury and loss his law license

[JonLP24]

24. Sure go for it

Impeach him as well as let the accuser tell her story. I'm all for all avenues of pursuit.

[beachbum bob]

27. the ground is being set IF democrats ever get a 67 seat majority in the Senate to rid

our country of Kavanaugh and perhaps Gorsuch as well

[mnhtnbb]

41. This is my point. No one is connecting the denial to the allegations of perjury.

[John1956PA]

23. Miki incorrectly said the Dems had the accusation information for "several months."

Last edited Tue Sep 18, 2018, 04:05 AM - Edit history (3)

Miki is showing disdain for the Democrats. Contrary to Mika's assertion that the Democrats were in possession of the accuser's account for "several months" and that they decided to hold it back for some strategic advantage, the truth is that Democrats were in possession of the information for only six weeks (not "several months" ) before it was forwarded to the FBI. Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's letter is dated July 30, and a copy of it it was received by Senator Feinstein's office shortly after that date. Dr. Ford asked that the information in the letter be treated confidentially. It was this past week, after there occurred a leak which revealed the existence of the letter, that Senator Feinstein forwarded the letter to the FBI. In a matter of days thereafter, Dr. Ford, through her attorney, notified the Senate Judiciary Committee that she elected to publicly reveal her identity as the author of the letter and to have the contents of the letter published by the media.

During this morning's Morning Joe show, and during this past Friday's Morning Joe show, Mika used the word "dirty" as a possible fit description for Democrats' actions in this matter. I have had it with Mika, and I do not care to watch her on the show.

On edit September 18: The post was corrected to read that Senator Feinstein did not forward a copy of the letter to the FBI immediately after she receive it, but, rather, she held the letter in confidence for six weeks until a leak revealed its existence.

[JonLP24]

26. I watched 1 minute of Morning Joe in like a decade

Saw her on there and I had to turn it back to CNN for the morning.

[justie18]

32. Have to agree

Mika showed her true colors this morning - disdain for the Democrats and describing them as dirty!

[Me.]

43. She Needs To Do What She Was Always Telling HRC To Do

Get off her high hirse

[JenniferJuniper]

28. If he attempted to rape someone as a teen

You know there is more coming.

[dmr]

45. That's what I'm waiting for.

Hoping that if there are others they come forward.

He is not a good man.

[empedocles]

29. Women, Ms. Ford, Dems, the U.S., need all the support they can get.

Joe and Mika are needed by us - they reach people who voted Republican, for Republican Congress members that we need to replace. Voters that we don't reach by November. Voting polls support, will reach Collins, Murkowski, Graham, et al, before anything else.

I wish we here could appreciate this more here.

[Honeycombe8]

40. I agree. That show is a primary source of providing negative information on the Repubs...

to people of both parties and particularly independents.

I think they're balanced. I like partisan shows, but I also like balanced shows. I want to know the positives and the negatives to every situation and see how others view it. Then, when most people going on the show are saying Trump is unfit for office, I know that is a widespread view.

They don't always get it right. Who does?

[Cosmocat]

44. They are FAR from balanced, the are faux balanced

There is nothing more deleterious to the political discussion this country than the "they are both the same" frame.

Yes, 1/3 of the country is full on right wing loons.

But, the middle 1/3 leans right strongly in great part due to evil liberal boogyman frames. And, when the media RELENTLESSLY pushes this false equivilency bullshit, it defaults the mushy headed middle into defaulting to R because liberals are craven, america hating scumbags.

As a general rule I refuse to watch the shitshow because you have Mika doing her bullshit, dismissive thing against Ds. And, JS, who was just a big of a jackass in the 90s as the current assholes are when he was in congress doing all the false equivalency he does.

I did watch some of a segment least week, which only confirmed why I don't watch it - Joe was on a rant abou how the country gets entangled in the middle east, timidly mentioned how W "overreached" with Iraq for about 2 seconds, then seriously and far more steadfastly hammered BHO for NOT getting more involved in Syria, leading from behind bullshit ...

On the D party's worst day, it is INFINITELY better than the current incarnation of the R party, and frankly, even before now it was simply just MUCH better.

Until this country gets past this both are the same mindset, and calls the R party for the deranged, power hungry, craven shitshow it is, we are going to be stuck where we are.

[Honeycombe8]

46. I think it's balanced. I think that's an objective view.

I'm not necessarily talking about just the two hosts and substitute hosts. But it has guests from both parties on its show.

It's balanced, in my view. If it slants at all, it slants left. But overall, it's balanced.

I don't think over-partisan people can view things like that objectively. If there are four guests that are on one side, and one guest on the other...the viewer on the side with the 4 guests focuses on all the "terrible" things said by the one on the other side, and why did the show give him so much time.

Scarborough has been vocal about the Repub Party having lost its way, become divisive, supporting neoNazis, becoming the Trump Party, etc. In fact, he has left the Republican Party until it returns to some semblance of normalcy.

[True Blue American]

30. Now the facts are out there.

Mika carried the load this morning while Joe listened. She has to live with him.

Even Trumps strongest supporters are now having second thoughts with the Manafort cave and now the Judge speaking out.

[helpisontheway]

35. Oh so now the cat got Joe's tongue? Glad I did not watch

Sounds like a flashback of Joe/Mika during the campaign.

[True Blue American]

42. How quick they switched from loving their friend

Donald? Playing golf with their dear friend, letting him phone in every day?

Until Trump threatened to expose their affair. Then told about her bleeding face from a lift?

That time?

[Honeycombe8]

38. One of them says that Jeff Flake says the Repubs don't have the votes right now...

although McConnell thinks they do.

I wouldn't bet on Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski for nay votes. Murkowski replaced her father in the Senate. Her father voted for Clarence Thomas. Susan Collins is the Republican from Maine; the Maine Republican Senator voted to confirm Clarence Thomas. Although both of those predecessors were white males, who do have a different viewpoint of sexual violation allegations, sometimes seeing them as possibly false. This is a concern of many men...that they can be falsely accused of such things at any time.

[George Eliot]

47. There is a level of wealth where ethics and values change. He's probably a "really nice, smart guy"

if you're a member of the upper crust. Will we get our country back? I don't know anymore.