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babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 07:19 AM Sep 2018

Democrats Plot Massive Campaign If Kavanaugh Falls

https://politicalwire.com/2018/09/20/democrats-plot-massive-campaign-if-kavanaugh-falls/

Democrats Plot Massive Campaign If Kavanaugh Falls
September 20, 2018 at 7:14 am EDT By Taegan Goddard


“If Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination sinks, Democrats would turn the midterms into a referendum not just on President Trump but also women’s rights, abortion and the future of the Supreme Court,” sources tell Axios.

“In what Republicans believe is an increasingly unlikely scenario where Kavanaugh tanks, Dems believe they can juice turnout — already hitting record levels — by playing off the huge public attention to the court, and Roe v. Wade in particular.”

“They envision President Obama and Michelle Obama locking arms with the Clintons, the Bidens, and Democratic congressional leaders to crank up a presidential-election-sized campaign.”
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Democrats Plot Massive Campaign If Kavanaugh Falls (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2018 OP
What if it doesnt sink? honest.abe Sep 2018 #1
yeah, haven't the horses departed the barn JenniferJuniper Sep 2018 #2
Why? Wouldn't it be worse with him on? Hortensis Sep 2018 #12
I believe that if Kavanaugh is confirmed under these conditions it will hurt the GOP Nitram Sep 2018 #29
Right, so this article doesn't make sense. honest.abe Sep 2018 #30
That was my reaction. Nitram Sep 2018 #32
They should be running on that anyway. Vinca Sep 2018 #3
Exactly Jarqui Sep 2018 #4
Then DownriverDem Sep 2018 #15
Tell them what? bluecollar2 Sep 2018 #24
Agreed - Something Seems Bogus About This Headline.... global1 Sep 2018 #23
Exactly! Andy823 Sep 2018 #34
+1000 dchill Sep 2018 #37
Get thee out of my head! Amimnoch Sep 2018 #36
no reason at this time to think kauvanaugh is sunk, if Ford doesn't appear at the hearing or on TV beachbum bob Sep 2018 #5
Isn't that always the way it is with women? They have to jump through hoops to be thought credible, ehrnst Sep 2018 #8
It won't matter if she does speak. joshdawg Sep 2018 #9
Stormy Daniels went on 60 Minutes and her credibility FakeNoose Sep 2018 #27
She also got arrested on trumped up charges. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #28
Yes, that was on 60 minutes, joshdawg Sep 2018 #35
My comment was to ehrnst FakeNoose Sep 2018 #38
Really? joshdawg Sep 2018 #39
In this case it's as much a matter of timing,very upset that this was sat on Amishman Sep 2018 #10
She didn't want to be publicly identified. She wanted to get this information to the committee. ehrnst Sep 2018 #25
I think DownriverDem Sep 2018 #16
Democrats need to plot a massive campaign even if Kavanaugh gets confirmed. blueinredohio Sep 2018 #6
They have DownriverDem Sep 2018 #17
Why just if it sinks? Or this just about 'version A' and there's also 'version B'? JHB Sep 2018 #7
+1 ESPECIALLY if it DOESN'T sink flibbitygiblets Sep 2018 #26
Why would someone leak this ? Either an Axios lie or Dem stirring the Rep pot ? OnDoutside Sep 2018 #11
Sounds BSy...we don't ever have a united approach. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #18
Yeah, it sounds it alright. OnDoutside Sep 2018 #20
Yeah, I thought the same thing, watoos Sep 2018 #13
So they finally decide they have an issue they can run on? randr Sep 2018 #14
Yep DownriverDem Sep 2018 #21
Kavanaugh will almost certainly be a SC justice, but that is irrelevant to the D's plans in the fall Tarc Sep 2018 #19
Exactly DownriverDem Sep 2018 #22
Run the campaign whether Kavanaugh penetrates SCROTUS or not. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #31
What's the Plan When Kavanaugh is Appointed to the Supreme Court? dlk Sep 2018 #33

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Why? Wouldn't it be worse with him on?
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:34 AM
Sep 2018

All the failures to divulge and deceptions by Justice Kavanaugh in the hearing and how he'll rule will be of compelling interest as the new SCOTUS term begins. Some of the records still hidden now will probably leak.

And of course all those credible accusations of highly unethical behaviors and also genuinely criminal actions in his work for the White House and Republicans still need to be discussed. Also that the Republicans betrayed their duty by refusing to investigate them during the confirmation period.

And, of course, there would be no closure for the attempted rape accusation, but very possibly new evidence surfacing in support as the press and perhaps private investigators continue to interview and report what people say.

Nitram

(22,776 posts)
29. I believe that if Kavanaugh is confirmed under these conditions it will hurt the GOP
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:28 AM
Sep 2018

worse than if he falls. Independents, women, and all thinking people would have been witness to the naked use off raw power to force through the confirmation of a lying criminal to the court.

global1

(25,237 posts)
23. Agreed - Something Seems Bogus About This Headline....
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:49 AM
Sep 2018

Either way - confirmation or withdrawal of Kavanaugh - the Dems need to make the midterms on these issues. Dems need to point out how the Repugs railroaded this whole situation - all the way back to sandbagging Merrick Garland until now - and point out to the American People the consequences of not taking back Congress in the Midterms. Losing on the Women's Issues is just part of the undoing of our democracy that we've been experiencing.

That's why when I read the title of this OP I was suspect as to what the intention of this article is. It almost sounds counter-intuitive as to what the Dems should do. Not rub it in the face of the Repugs that they failed on Kavanaugh because to me that might rev up more Repug support for the Midterms.

The Dems need to point out the insidiousness of the Repugs moves and say we need to take back Congress in order to make sure that we can take back our democracy from the brink of what Trump has brought to us.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
5. no reason at this time to think kauvanaugh is sunk, if Ford doesn't appear at the hearing or on TV
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 07:35 AM
Sep 2018

this weekend to tell America her side....the GOP will hit democrats over the head with this. Ford has to speak to the american people so we have a sense of her veracity.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. Isn't that always the way it is with women? They have to jump through hoops to be thought credible,
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 07:49 AM
Sep 2018

the hoops in this case being the risk of safety to herself and her family.

And men just have to sit there and say, "She's a liar."

joshdawg

(2,647 posts)
9. It won't matter if she does speak.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:10 AM
Sep 2018

All the republican men will call her a liar anyway, whether she speaks the truth or not. And they don't care what the American public wants, either.
It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, grassley and hatch are blatant hypocrites..............and proud of it.
The FBI should investigate her allegation, but the republicans don't want them to. What have they got to hide?

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
27. Stormy Daniels went on 60 Minutes and her credibility
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:04 AM
Sep 2018

... increased substantially after that.

Just sayin'

joshdawg

(2,647 posts)
35. Yes, that was on 60 minutes,
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:47 AM
Sep 2018

not in front of a bunch of mysoginistic(sic) republican men.
just sayin'

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
38. My comment was to ehrnst
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 10:54 AM
Sep 2018

... who said that women are sometimes treated unfairly by the media, and why should Dr. Ford be expected to appear on TV. I was pointing out that it could work in her favor if she did that. Not sure why you're jumping in here, but maybe I missed something?


joshdawg

(2,647 posts)
39. Really?
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 07:33 AM
Sep 2018

I responded to your statement about Daniels being on 60 minutes.
Not sure why you're jumping on me. Maybe I missed something.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
10. In this case it's as much a matter of timing,very upset that this was sat on
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:22 AM
Sep 2018

The 11th hour nature of this ups the bar on what is needed for credibility. If the tables were turned, and a last minute accuser came forward against a progressive nominee, we'd be skeptical too.

I really really really really wish this was made public as soon as Kavanaugh's name was announced. Yes, waiting took time off the clock (which is very valuable in its own right) but it makes more like a political ploy than an attempt at justice

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. She didn't want to be publicly identified. She wanted to get this information to the committee.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:59 AM
Sep 2018

And to anyone who might have a use for it, but did not want her and her family's life to be upended like it is.

You always respect the wishes of the victim. The Washington Post is the one who outed her.

DownriverDem

(6,227 posts)
16. I think
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:44 AM
Sep 2018

if Ford doesn't appear, her lawyer should. Not only that tons of women from her high school should be sitting in the seats behind her lawyer. The visual will be amazing.

DownriverDem

(6,227 posts)
17. They have
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:45 AM
Sep 2018

I see the Dems in full court press every day. If folks have ideas they should be telling the Dems.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
7. Why just if it sinks? Or this just about 'version A' and there's also 'version B'?
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 07:46 AM
Sep 2018

Republicans have suppressed documents, and even before the attempted rape allegations surfaced there was clear evidence he committed perjury in testimony to congress. During the 90s he selectively (and illegally) leaked information from Starr's office to the press and Paula Jones' lawyers. He's been vague and evasive to any non-softball question.


If they still push past opposition to get what they want --a political operative on the court (or, more accurately, another one) -- all of those things are even more in jeopardy.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
13. Yeah, I thought the same thing,
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:36 AM
Sep 2018

If Kavanaugh gets appointed it should piss voters off more so than if his nomination sinks.

Kavanaugh is a monster and not just anti-women.

randr

(12,409 posts)
14. So they finally decide they have an issue they can run on?
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:37 AM
Sep 2018

I don't know the "democrats" the article mentions, most democrats I know have know this for a long time.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
19. Kavanaugh will almost certainly be a SC justice, but that is irrelevant to the D's plans in the fall
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:46 AM
Sep 2018

If he sails through on a party-line vote, the GOP still gets blasted...100% rightfully...as misogynist, woman-hating clods.

If the nomination sinks, it will be made clear to the voters that the GOP are still misogynist, woman-hating clods for pushing this flawed candidate so hard. Kavanugh sinking will be our doing, not theirs.

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