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...is so fucked up?
I think so.
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ADDED after being called an anti Semite:
1. Circumcision Causes Immediate Harm
2. Pain from Circumcision in Infancy Alters the Brain
3. Infant Circumcision has Psychological Consequences for M
PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS ON CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS
1. Medical Procedures in Childhood are Often Experienced as Traumatic
2. Procedures Involving Childrens Genitals Produce Negative Psychological Effect
3. Circumcision Causes Significant Psychological Harm in Children and Adolescents
4. The Majority of Boys Circumcised as Children and Adolescents Meet Diagnostic Criteria for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)
5. By Encouraging Circumcision, Medical Professionals are Shaming Boys Bodies
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage
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(51,974 posts)also, it usually includes an injection of anesthetic in addition to topical numbing cream.
and it has *nothing* to do with any point you're trying to make about later male behavior.
Circumcisions Psychological Damage
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage
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(51,974 posts)i won't object to that, and don't normally don't participate in circumcision discussions.
but an o.p. with little more than several offensive insults about it is not conducive to healthy discussion.
i generally look forward to your posts and almost always agree wholeheartedly.
but this one took you down a few notches in my book.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Got it?
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(51,974 posts)Pachamama
(16,874 posts)Because...you do know that the Muslims do it and American culture since WW2?
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)PatSeg
(46,794 posts)The poster is referring to a common medical procedure that is now deemed by most physicians as medically unnecessary. What once was seen as just a Jewish practice, became a standard practice throughout our society.
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(51,974 posts)PatSeg
(46,794 posts)as the babies had no say in the decision.
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(51,974 posts)but i shouldn't take it personally???
PatSeg
(46,794 posts)post than what it actually says.
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(51,974 posts)does that usually work well for you?
and just how should i take it, then?
i had a genital-mutilating procedure done to me, but i shouldn't think my genitals are "mutilated"?
PatSeg
(46,794 posts)I did not say that you're "just plain wrong". People can have different opinions about circumcision without one being anti-semitic. I did not consider the men I've known who were circumcised to have mutilated genitals, but from a mother's perspective, I do think it is a cruel thing to do to a young infant. That is my opinion and it doesn't make me right and you wrong.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)There are millions of male babies that get nipped in this country and it has NOTHING to do with religion.
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(51,974 posts)that doesn't mean it's not anti-semitic.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)PatSeg
(46,794 posts)regardless of a person's religion.
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(51,974 posts)one can be anti-circumcision without calling it bizarre, twisted, fucked-up, mutilation, and suggesting it's at least partly responsible for later rotten behavior.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Lots of research data to back me up.
Google it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But I get it... some mutilations, if done by choice are somehow not mutilations, and merely decorative.
PatSeg
(46,794 posts)and many people find it offensive. I think they have the right to express their opinion, especially being no one brought up religion except for you. By the way, over the years the pro circumcision arguments I have heard came from people who were not Jewish. They were people who thought it was a necessary procedure or that it was cleaner.
Circumcision was so common in our society as I was growing up, that I really had no idea of it Jewish origins. It was just what people did to male babies.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)Gentiles get circumcised too.
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(51,974 posts)BannonsLiver
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(51,974 posts)instead of anti-semitic to a notable subset of people who get the procedure?
he should still delete, it's ridiculous to call a widely accepted medical procedure "twisted", "fucked-up", "bizarre", and "mutilation".
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)As others have pointed out.
lpbk2713
(42,696 posts)Are you fucking serious?
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(51,974 posts)yes, i'm aware that others get it. that doesn't mean it isn't highly offensive and anti-semitic.
he's insulting my whole family, too!
lunasun
(21,646 posts)custom i an offending and it's not racist but bizarre
Muslim males are required to be circumcised on the seventh day after the boys birth according to the sunnah (practice and saying) of the Prophet Mohammed (SAS). In Islam, this is considered an act of sunnah and a part of cleanliness
I do t think the op was meant to be islamphobic either
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boston bean
(36,186 posts)wow, good to know it has nothing to do with societies view of a woman's worth.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I missed that.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)I find it hard to believe that the data really supports such a conclusion.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Lots of info on this out there.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)I know that just because something was done to someone doesn't make it ok, or likely they will do the same.
Them's the facts.
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(51,974 posts)PatSeg
(46,794 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)But it's astonishing to me that there are so-called "progressives" who can't see it for what it is...sexual violence against infant boys.
If you turn 18 then it's you're choice and that fine.
Why can't people respect their child as a separate human being instead of treating them as property?
It's not their body so leave it alone.
PatSeg
(46,794 posts)I knew what you were talking about and I can think of a lot of other things that we as a society do to boys that could cause them to turn out to be insensitive towards women and people in general. As such, I made it my goal to raise a good man and it appears I have succeeded.
As a parent, I always had a problem with doing anything to a child that was medically unnecessary if it could cause pain or trauma. I wouldn't even let my daughter get her ears pierced until she was old enough to be responsible for the decision.
Thank you for the clarity.
PatSeg
(46,794 posts)Thanks for the post. It is a subject we need to explore more.