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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:14 AM Sep 2018

Do these have any bearing why this male dominated society...

...is so fucked up?

I think so.




ADDED after being called an anti Semite:

PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS ON INFANTS

1. Circumcision Causes Immediate Harm
2. Pain from Circumcision in Infancy Alters the Brain
3. Infant Circumcision has Psychological Consequences for M


PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS ON CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS

1. Medical Procedures in Childhood are Often Experienced as Traumatic
2. Procedures Involving Children’s Genitals Produce Negative Psychological Effect
3. Circumcision Causes Significant Psychological Harm in Children and Adolescents
4. The Majority of Boys Circumcised as Children and Adolescents Meet Diagnostic Criteria for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)
5. By Encouraging Circumcision, Medical Professionals are Shaming Boys’ Bodies


https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage
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Do these have any bearing why this male dominated society... (Original Post) SHRED Sep 2018 OP
anti-semitic. please delete. unblock Sep 2018 #1
WTF? SHRED Sep 2018 #2
circumcision is a jewish ritual and not at all "genital mutilation". unblock Sep 2018 #6
Research SHRED Sep 2018 #18
if you want to have a rational discussion about circumcision feel free to start a new thread. unblock Sep 2018 #23
I don't care how you view me SHRED Sep 2018 #25
wow. good to know. unblock Sep 2018 #28
Is it also then a "Muslim" or "American" tradition too? Pachamama Sep 2018 #36
That's kind of a stretch. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2018 #3
Yes, a huge stretch PatSeg Sep 2018 #12
does that make it ok to insult anyone who gets it? unblock Sep 2018 #16
It hardly insults the person who gets it, PatSeg Sep 2018 #22
he's calling *me* fucked-up, twisted, raised bizarrely, and calling my genitals "mutilated". unblock Sep 2018 #26
It appears you are reading a lot more into the PatSeg Sep 2018 #35
telling someone who's offended that they're just plain wrong? unblock Sep 2018 #38
Well there you did the same thing with my comment PatSeg Sep 2018 #40
How do you figure? GemDigger Sep 2018 #4
duh, it's not exclusively religious. unblock Sep 2018 #7
That is some twisted logic. GemDigger Sep 2018 #13
The post is anti circumcision PatSeg Sep 2018 #15
that doesn't make it any less offensive. unblock Sep 2018 #19
Causing physical and psychological damage to boys is what's offensive SHRED Sep 2018 #24
Seems some mutilation is also rationalized as ear piercings. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #41
There are a lot different opinions on the procedure PatSeg Sep 2018 #29
BREAKING BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #5
exclusivity is hardly necessary for it to be anti-semitic. unblock Sep 2018 #8
mm kay BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #11
would it help if i said it was merely insulting and offensive to many? unblock Sep 2018 #14
It would help if your logic wasn't so bizarre and deeply flawed. BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #17
This is a joke right? lpbk2713 Sep 2018 #9
he's calling something virtually all male jews get "bizarre" and "mutilation". unblock Sep 2018 #10
All Muslims are circumcised too?+ I find the female version mutilation and don't care which African lunasun Sep 2018 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author WillowTree Sep 2018 #21
So, circumcision is the reason why so many women are sexually assaulted, harassed and raped? boston bean Sep 2018 #27
Did I say it was the sole reason? SHRED Sep 2018 #30
I'm astonished it is being positioned as a reason. boston bean Sep 2018 #31
Me Too, Bean ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #33
Let Google be your friend SHRED Sep 2018 #34
I don't need google to tell me anything. boston bean Sep 2018 #43
yeah, men were saints, no hint of patriarchy in this country until circumcision became popular unblock Sep 2018 #37
Thanks for the additional info PatSeg Sep 2018 #32
Thanks...I never meant this to be a circumcision thread SHRED Sep 2018 #39
Yes, that was rather interesting PatSeg Sep 2018 #42
Likewise SHRED Sep 2018 #44
You're welcome PatSeg Sep 2018 #45
Im pretty sure the phrase "lil man" doesn't do any harm. aikoaiko Sep 2018 #46
So why not call a young girl "little woman"? SHRED Sep 2018 #47
Ok, so this is a great harm? aikoaiko Sep 2018 #48

unblock

(51,974 posts)
6. circumcision is a jewish ritual and not at all "genital mutilation".
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:22 AM
Sep 2018

also, it usually includes an injection of anesthetic in addition to topical numbing cream.


and it has *nothing* to do with any point you're trying to make about later male behavior.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
23. if you want to have a rational discussion about circumcision feel free to start a new thread.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:43 AM
Sep 2018

i won't object to that, and don't normally don't participate in circumcision discussions.


but an o.p. with little more than several offensive insults about it is not conducive to healthy discussion.


i generally look forward to your posts and almost always agree wholeheartedly.

but this one took you down a few notches in my book.

Pachamama

(16,874 posts)
36. Is it also then a "Muslim" or "American" tradition too?
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:57 AM
Sep 2018


Because...you do know that the Muslims do it and American culture since WW2?

PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
12. Yes, a huge stretch
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:26 AM
Sep 2018

The poster is referring to a common medical procedure that is now deemed by most physicians as medically unnecessary. What once was seen as just a Jewish practice, became a standard practice throughout our society.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
26. he's calling *me* fucked-up, twisted, raised bizarrely, and calling my genitals "mutilated".
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:45 AM
Sep 2018

but i shouldn't take it personally???

unblock

(51,974 posts)
38. telling someone who's offended that they're just plain wrong?
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:01 PM
Sep 2018

does that usually work well for you?


and just how should i take it, then?

i had a genital-mutilating procedure done to me, but i shouldn't think my genitals are "mutilated"?

PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
40. Well there you did the same thing with my comment
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:18 PM
Sep 2018

I did not say that you're "just plain wrong". People can have different opinions about circumcision without one being anti-semitic. I did not consider the men I've known who were circumcised to have mutilated genitals, but from a mother's perspective, I do think it is a cruel thing to do to a young infant. That is my opinion and it doesn't make me right and you wrong.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
4. How do you figure?
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:21 AM
Sep 2018

There are millions of male babies that get nipped in this country and it has NOTHING to do with religion.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
19. that doesn't make it any less offensive.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:31 AM
Sep 2018

one can be anti-circumcision without calling it bizarre, twisted, fucked-up, mutilation, and suggesting it's at least partly responsible for later rotten behavior.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
24. Causing physical and psychological damage to boys is what's offensive
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:44 AM
Sep 2018

Lots of research data to back me up.

Google it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. Seems some mutilation is also rationalized as ear piercings.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:22 PM
Sep 2018

But I get it... some mutilations, if done by choice are somehow not mutilations, and merely decorative.

PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
29. There are a lot different opinions on the procedure
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:47 AM
Sep 2018

and many people find it offensive. I think they have the right to express their opinion, especially being no one brought up religion except for you. By the way, over the years the pro circumcision arguments I have heard came from people who were not Jewish. They were people who thought it was a necessary procedure or that it was cleaner.

Circumcision was so common in our society as I was growing up, that I really had no idea of it Jewish origins. It was just what people did to male babies.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
14. would it help if i said it was merely insulting and offensive to many?
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:29 AM
Sep 2018

instead of anti-semitic to a notable subset of people who get the procedure?

he should still delete, it's ridiculous to call a widely accepted medical procedure "twisted", "fucked-up", "bizarre", and "mutilation".

unblock

(51,974 posts)
10. he's calling something virtually all male jews get "bizarre" and "mutilation".
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:26 AM
Sep 2018

yes, i'm aware that others get it. that doesn't mean it isn't highly offensive and anti-semitic.


he's insulting my whole family, too!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
20. All Muslims are circumcised too?+ I find the female version mutilation and don't care which African
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:37 AM
Sep 2018

custom i an offending and it's not racist but bizarre

Muslim males are required to be circumcised on the seventh day after the boy’s birth according to the sunnah (practice and saying) of the Prophet Mohammed (SAS). In Islam, this is considered an act of sunnah and a part of cleanliness
I do t think the op was meant to be islamphobic either

Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #9)

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
27. So, circumcision is the reason why so many women are sexually assaulted, harassed and raped?
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 11:46 AM
Sep 2018

wow, good to know it has nothing to do with societies view of a woman's worth.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
43. I don't need google to tell me anything.
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:26 PM
Sep 2018

I know that just because something was done to someone doesn't make it ok, or likely they will do the same.

Them's the facts.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
39. Thanks...I never meant this to be a circumcision thread
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:05 PM
Sep 2018

But it's astonishing to me that there are so-called "progressives" who can't see it for what it is...sexual violence against infant boys.

If you turn 18 then it's you're choice and that fine.

Why can't people respect their child as a separate human being instead of treating them as property?

It's not their body so leave it alone.


PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
42. Yes, that was rather interesting
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 12:25 PM
Sep 2018

I knew what you were talking about and I can think of a lot of other things that we as a society do to boys that could cause them to turn out to be insensitive towards women and people in general. As such, I made it my goal to raise a good man and it appears I have succeeded.

As a parent, I always had a problem with doing anything to a child that was medically unnecessary if it could cause pain or trauma. I wouldn't even let my daughter get her ears pierced until she was old enough to be responsible for the decision.

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