New Michael Moore movie, both parties the same or to blame, etc...

[Eliot Rosewater]

That is what I hear, havent seen it, but I wont be surprised if he says this shit and RIGHT in time to get people NOT to vote.

No bigger fan of his on this board than I WAS...not anymore.

FUCK him if this review is true.

No link, heard it on radio show.

And all the WONDERFUL work he has done now will be discounted by those who will put in doubt everything he has done.

I originally said "both the same" in OP Title for shorthand, the implication is the usual bullshit that while of course the GOP is bad and worse the DNC is not much better and guilty of this and that.

[MattP]

1. Just in time to throw a turd in the blue wave

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. If what I hear is true, that would be something he is doing on purpose, either

that or he is MUCH dumber than I ever thought.

[Hortensis]

77. Comey had no idea what he was doing could throw

control of our national government to dangerous right-wing extremists in 2016. So why should we expect Moore to understand his behavior could horribly strengthen the hold of the fascists he's supposedly warning on congress, the courts and state legislatures? Lordy.



Liars! It was Nancy and we all know it!

[jrthin]

8. Exactly! nt

[BannonsLiver]

18. Moore doesn't want a blue wave

For him, a blue wave is bad for business.

[brush]

3. I don't get what his deal is. Wasn't he also once a Naderite?

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. It is one thing to have this above it all, mightier than thou attitude and thinking you

know better than us dumb supporters that both parties really are bad BLAH BLAH BLAH

But to do that shit now, NOW?

Nah, he either works directly for the KGB now or always has, or he has an ego so big that he cant be dealt with, kinda like Nader.

Gonna get real ugly real soon.

[PubliusEnigma]

4. Michael Moore is a Carnival Barker.

[BannonsLiver]

6. Mike lost the plot a long time ago.

I loved Roger and Me, and Bowling For Columbine and F911. That was when he understood who the enemy was. Sadly, he's lost his way.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. Assuming he isnt an asset of you know who, how can he have this big of an ego. WOW

[Wounded Bear]

12. Thing is, the schtick hasn't changed...

Maybe he targets different folks, but he hasn't found a new trick for years upon years.

I didn't plan on seeing the flick anyway.

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. I did, as one of his biggest fans EVER I was hoping but I also saw this coming for a while now

He has been pushing this bullshit that former Obama voters and rumpers have legitimate economic reasons for voting rump which is a lie, it is about race ONLY.

I still dont believe that many Obama voters voted for him and yes you could vote for Obama and then against Latinos, but not many would do that.

[we can do it]

9. Michael and Bernie should start own party and run together.

[RandiFan1290]

10. "That is what I hear, havent seen it"

Cool story, bro

[mnhtnbb]

11. "What you hear"? Are you serious? That sounds like a Trump quote.

Secondhand quote with no link?

That does not sound like Michael Moore to me. Maybe a quote taken out of context?

Be careful. You know that anything Republicans can do to trash his movie, they will.

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. Regular caller into a liberal show, Stephanie Miller...I trust the caller.

They wont need to trash it, if this review is true he will do plenty of harm himself.

I would not normally go this far without seeing it but I saw this coming from him. Not AT ALL surprising.

[mnhtnbb]

16. Rolling Stone's review

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-reviews/fahrenheit-11-9-movie-review-725858/


Michael Moore rushed this movie into production and rushed to get it distributed before the election. Why? Because he wants people to come out and VOTE and not for Republicans.

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. He talks up progressives, sigh, from your review...double sigh

I bet he does that with a swift kick to the ass of establishment Democrats, wanna bet?

You see FOLKS, saying go vote as long as it is this particular PROGRESSIVE or that one, and either says NOTHING about the other 200 establishment democrats running or worse ATTACKS them somehow, is not good for us, do we SEE THAT?

[Atman]

52. A lot of establishment Democrats need a good swift kick in the ass.

Regardless of Michael Moore's movie.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. Yeah well that is bullshit, why dont you expound on that...

Go ahead and detail for us all the things wrong with Democrats.

Be fucking sure when you do you tell us how YOU would do it better, please!

[Atman]

83. Where did I mention anything about "all the things wrong with Democrats?"

Respond to what I posted, not what you want to think I posted. So you're telling me that NO Democrats need a kick in the ass? I'm not about blind party loyalty over accountability. If a Democrat isn't working for us, he/she needs to know. Why does saying this make me some sort of heretic (BTW, I just finished work on four primary campaigns; One Democratic Congresswoman, one Senate race, a State AG race, and a State Treasurer race. Won three out of four. I'm not exactly anti-Democrat. Thanks for your concern.

[mcar]

59. Ooh, "establishment Democrats"

[EffieBlack]

82. Funny how to some people, anyone who makes it into a position of power where they can actually

accomplish something is smeared as "Establishment."

But if, after 20 or 30 years in politics, you haven't garnered enough support for your ideas, policies and positions - i.e., "established" a new, better way of doing things - you've failed.

The point of standing on the outside yelling and banging on the door is to get into the room so that you can change things from within, not to just stand around yelling and banging your fists.

[mcar]

89. Remember when Planned Parenthood was

castigated as "establishment?"

[GusBob]

64. You rang?

You can't knock me down, man

[Eliot Rosewater]

73. Why is saying us democrats need to be KICKED in the ass visible on this site?

[GusBob]

78. Because some attention seeking celebrity has more weight than us

On your knees you swine, Michael Moore is a sacred cow

[jodymarie aimee]

54. exactly

Eliot, I love you..but you are reviewing a film you have NOT seen....KV would never do that....

[BannonsLiver]

17. Not only that but in numerous reveiws

"Moore's most cutting barbs are reserved for Democrats and the Democratic Party" was how the reviewer for the Daily Beast put it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

20. Yep

[LisaM]

28. Of course. Remember his preposterous appearance at the Women's March in DC?

He got a lot of (deserved) negative feedback on that one. I remember watching in disbelief as he went on and on about women, blah blah blah, and that's why "we must vote in Keith Ellison to head the DNC!" Like, women are fine and all that, but now let me promote a MAN to fix things.

[BannonsLiver]

30. Remember it? hell, i pull it up for a laugh when Im feeling down.

"Michael Moore my name is Ashley Judd and I am a feminist."

[LisaM]

32. Ha ha ha, well, now you gave me a laugh!

Ashley Judd rocked, though. I could have watched her for an hour.

[BannonsLiver]

33. Mesmerizing she was.

[mcar]

60. The vast majority of us at the DC Women's March couldn't see or hear the speakers

And we didn't care.

[LisaM]

68. Very much the same thing in Seattle...however...

when people got home from all those other places and put on TV, it was the DC march they were showing, and they were showing the speakers, so I think it was something people around the country saw.

[mcar]

79. That bothered me

The speakers, good and bad, were irrelevant to us marchers.

[awesomerwb1]

15. Will not be watching

He lost me years ago. Not a big fan now.

[budkin]

21. He loves the fact that he predicted Trump would "win"' the election

And he's already predicted he will "win" a second term.

[Eliot Rosewater]

22. And predicting that now is his way of saying there are LEGITIMATE reasons for rump to win

a 2nd term.

That is EXACTLY what he is saying. FUCK HIM

i.e. rump may not deserve it but he will get votes from people who are worried about jobs, etc.

LIE
LIE
LIE

[moondust]

23. In his defense,

I saw him on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman just this morning. He did a long interview with her and I only saw part one. He is sounding the alarm bells about Drumpf and desperately urging everyone to vote against him and his toadies, making comparisons to 1930s Germany. I don't recall if he mentioned Democrats specifically but he is certainly smart enough to know that that is the only way to dump the rump.

[JHan]

24. He can fuck right off.

[Eliot Rosewater]

41. Big time, I am getting really fucking angry again...too bad so many people are angry

at my party but most of them are with the other side

[mconnors]

25. Saw the move on Wednesday

The movie shook me big time - Yes he did talk bad about the old Democratic party and how they blow it big time. With lots of positive about the new generation of democratic's specially the new women running for offices around the country. The Flint Michigan water issue and how it got to that point, it was really sad and disturbing. And even how Obama blew it, that was the hardest on me.

And of course how Trump is playing us all for suckers.

My take is everyone should see it! It is opening in over 1600 theaters Tonight.

[BannonsLiver]

26. Uh huh.

[LisaM]

29. Did he talk about vote suppression, gerrymandering, and Citizens United?

If not, then he's already lost me.

[mconnors]

35. Yes big time!

He talked about vote suppression big time! He also talks about the youth movement and how they are making a difference. Also how Obama blow a lot of votes for Hillary especially in Michigan over how he handled Flint water issue, she would have taken Michigan if not for that. That was the saddest part for me.

[Glorfindel]

38. "how Obama blow a lot of votes for Hillary especially in Michigan over how he handled Flint water

issue"? I don't get that at all.

[Eliot Rosewater]

42. Because it is lies and these LIES are being spread here, sigh

I wish these FUCKING kgb agents would stay away from DU

I think they win, bye everybody

fuck this

[mconnors]

50. Wow - Eliot

I have been on DU almost since the beginning - Yes I do not post much. Are you calling me KGB agent?
I'm Far from it, I have help with every Democratic campaign national and local here in Michigan since Bill Clinton.

We need to get mad, but not at each other! I only gave you my opinion on the move - And I will look forward to hearing yours!
Michael Moore is an OK guy not perfect - I have been in meetings with him and see him a few times a year on the street, he owns two theaters here in Traverse City Mi. That is why he showed the premiere here.

The biggest way he put down the Dem party, is that we try to compromise with the Repub too much- need to be stronger

[JHan]

44. I would like to know too.

It was a break down of civic institutions, and flint crisis happened under a Republican governor.

Is it too much to ask these celebrities to figure out how government works before opining?

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. Did i just read another person here claim Obama flew into Flint and said it was no big deal?

how is this person still posting here, fuck it

I dont belong here in that case

[JHan]

56. the source of that criticism is Jerry White who blames obama for everything.

[mconnors]

45. You flew in and did not believe the water was bad

He went to flint and did not think the water had any issues. So the people of flint with all their sick kids did not turn out to vote. The vote was so close it made the difference. That was the hardest part of his movie for me!

[JHan]

57. So republican management, which precipitated the crisis, faced no accountability at the ballot box.

Is Moore okay with that? Or is it really all about obama?

[octoberlib]

80. Did Moore conveniently leave out Macomb County Michigan?

After winning Michigan for Trump, Macomb County viewed as symbol of U.S. political realignment

It's a question being asked in light of Michigan's stunning shift from blue to red in the presidential election, due in large part to a fairly seismic shift in the cluster of suburbs northeast of Detroit.

The influence of working-class white voters is largely being credited with putting Republican Donald Trump on his way to the White House, and the vote count in Macomb County, the state's third-largest county, made the difference for Michigan on Tuesday.

"My suspicion is that what happened in Macomb is the same as what happened especially across the upper Midwest," said Timothy Bledsoe, a political science professor at Wayne State University. "There was kind of a revolt of working class whites ... who'd been part of the Democratic coalition for years."

Trump took about 54 percent of the vote in Macomb County, against Democratic challenger Hillary Clinton's 42 percent. Libertarian Gary Johnson got about 3 percent of the vote.The difference of 48,348 votes was enough to swing Michigan for Trump.

https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2016/11/macomb_county_could_represent.html

[mcar]

63. Um, what?

[Eliot Rosewater]

40. Uh huh...

[wryter2000]

27. Based on what he said on Chris Hayes's show

I figured as much. I suppose I shouldn't judge without having seen it, but I'm not going out of my way to pay him any money to say that sort of crap.

[mconnors]

31. I understand what you saying

The only thing sometimes we need to hear what we think might be crap - to understand better. I for one did not want to hear it either though at the end of the day it was important for me to hear it!

[BannonsLiver]

36. Those are great discussions to have

IN 2017.

But this is an election year, and we're at war fighting for our democracy. None of the pablum Moore spews about both sides and Dems are bad too, helps with any of that. It's baffling to me that people can't see that. That they have zero fucking understanding of the stakes.

[Squinch]

34. I was pretty disgusted with his pandering to the non-voting asshole on that show.

[Scruffy1]

37. Now I really want to see it.

I can take some criticism. We are not now, and never were a perfect party. i always think we should listen to critisism because we might learn something. If it's just BS we can ignore it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

39. Yeah, great idea. Lets criticize the party more now than ever!

FUCK THAT

[NurseJackie]

43. ...

If it's just BS we can ignore it.

Yes. Thank you. I do my utmost to ignore BS every chance I get.

[Eliot Rosewater]

67. Jesus christ. My fear sincerely is some of us will not be willing to stick around for much more

attacking of Democrats. I dont know how much more of this SHIT I will put up with

Moore saying Obama was a disappointment?

FUCK YOU MOORE

[Hortensis]

72. Why? It's supposed to warn about right-wing fascism.

He compares what's happening in America to naziism. Yet no one's talking about that. Just a little clue here?

For criticism of Democrats you have Fox 24/7/365, and they do it superbly.

[Trumpocalypse]

46. It's a right wing talking point

to say both sides are the same.

[Eliot Rosewater]

47. Also called Obama huge disappointment, I know what moore is now

[Trumpocalypse]

62. I like Moore

but he and others like Bill Maher need to stop attacking Dems all the time.

[LexVegas]

48. Moore is irrelevant. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

49. NOt if MILLIONS see his fucking movie

[mconnors]

55. Michael Moore is From Flint

Remember Michael is from Flint - he is going to be more concerned and critical about his hometown!

These parents kids are sick with lead poisoning, and it never goes away, in fact, it gets passed down generations.

Obama flew in and drank the water in front of these parents - well he sip it. Saying it was fine - it is on tape what he said and did.
The parent freak out! This was a big mistake for him - I still, think he was a great president.

And the two parties are not even close to being the same!!!

[Eliot Rosewater]

61. complete nonsense, rewriting history, right here on DU no less

Talk about taking things out of context and CHANGING the meaning

[jalan48]

76. I remember seeing Obama sipping the water in Flint. Was that after new filters had been put in?

[betsuni]

88. After filters.

"'If you're using a filter ... the Flint water at this point is safe to drink,' Obama said, cautioning, however, that pregnant women and children younger than six should continue using bottle water." 500,000 filters were provided, expansion of Medicaid, an emergency declared. Later that year Congress passed the Water Infrastructure Improvement for the Nation Act and Obama signed it in December, providing 170 million in funds.

[betsuni]

90. 500,000 filters were provided, an expansion of Medicaid.

'"If you're using a filter ... the Flint water at this point is drinkable,' Obama said, cautioning, however, that pregnant women and children younger than six should continue suing bottled water." By the end of the year the Water Infrastructure Improvements for the Nation Act was passed that provided 170 million for infrastructure and Obama signed it.

So Obama lied and the water wasn't safe with a filter?

[QC]

58. I haven't seen the film,

but I'm going to create a fantasy picture of it and try to work myself and other people up into a state of apoplectic rage.

[Eliot Rosewater]

66. Uh huh...

[Kurt V.]

65. if I could see the movie I would,

but i can't so i won't.

[NurseJackie]

69. Anyone who says "both parties are the same" (or compares the Democrats to the Republicans...

Anyone who says "both parties are the same" (or compares the Democrats to the Republicans with things like "Democrats are the party of the one-percent'') is NO FRIEND to Democrats and is NOT the kind of "ally" I want on my side. Divisive rhetoric like that only tarnishes the brand of the Democratic Party and does absolutely NOTHING to promote unity or trust.

All I'm saying is that anything that hurts the Democrats has the effect of HELPING and BENEFITING the GOP (and therefore, Russia, too.) I think we can all agree that we don't want to do things that benefit the GOP and Russia.

[Eliot Rosewater]

70. Of course, and moore has a huge ego and he is gonna tell us what we need to know

sigh

If only he realized it is ME who needs to educate him.

fucker

[NurseJackie]

71. Big fat ego... exactly. And he always looks like he needs a bath...

... and a goddamn haircut.

[JI7]

74. Michael Moore seems resentful of Obama

and this goes back some years.

[Eliot Rosewater]

75. He's black, he was supposed to not just be better than ALL previous W presidents, not W

as in bush but that word I dont dare use here

He was supposed to be 100 times better and since he was only 95 times better, he didnt do well enough for some

[NurseJackie]

81. Michael Moore is a god damned asshole. A self-serving, self-promoting asshole with a big FAT ego!

I can't stand him. His speech at the women's march was ghastly! He's completely lost the plot.

[guillaumeb]

84. One opinion:

In the film, Moore assigns blame for Trump’s victory to widespread assumptions that Clinton would win, vested interests, and U.S. media that prioritized the big audiences Trump drew to television programming.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-filmfestival-tiff-fahrenheit-11-9/michael-moore-compares-trump-to-hitler-in-new-documentary-idUSKCN1LM318

Another:

But as much as Moore loves making fun of Trump any chance he gets, in “11/9” he has truly the knives out for Obama and establishment Democrats. Trump gets off easy compared to Pelosi and Obama, and Moore argues Trump is the force of chaotic evil necessary to burn the whole rotten system down. He shreds Democrat organizations to pieces while focusing on the new guard of leftist candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/09/20/tgif/michael-moore-indicts-both-parties-in-fahrenheit-119/

[John Fante]

91. Revolutions are exciting!

Especially if you're watching them from the comfort of your palatial estate, far above the fray.

[betsuni]

85. Michael Moore's message:

Establishment Democrats are a "bigger roadblock to social progress than Trump."

Democrats are spineless, weak, constantly compromising and backing down.

We should, like, only listen to people who didn't vote or voted for Trump because they are definitely the most honest and trustworthy, good decent folks, the most knowledgeable about our economy, politics, society, history and ... well, just everything.

Why didn't Obama/Dems stop ( _______ )?

I PREDICTED TRUMP WOULD WIN!!!!!!

Vote for the new progressive Democrats in the next election, they know how to fight and are not bad like the gross old Dems.

Two years from now when the new Dems are the establishment, repeat the cycle.

[Eliot Rosewater]

92. FUCK YOU moore

[betsuni]

93. Why anyone trusts his judgement when he thinks Dems are worse than Trump ...

He used to take pride in his and his staff's fact-checking. Facts don't matter anymore.

[VOX]

86. Moore was effective during the Bush II years; but now, his act out of date.

Real events have gotten so strange, and now stack up so quickly that Moore's message is several steps behind, and thus lacks impact; at this point, the right-wing insanity is shamelessly out in front for all to see and experience, like it or not. A daily dose of Rachel Maddow offers far more pertinent information than two hours of Michael Moore once a year.

There's not much left for him to say that's novel anymore. The only worthwhile message is "get out and vote." And who needs to be told that, at this point?

[betsuni]

87. We must be constantly told to get out and vote because we are "complacent."

Apparently we are not too bright.