Michael Moore's "11/9"

[tiredtoo]

Just saw this movie. Found it to be both depressing and motivational. Recommended viewing for all. Caution to some, Moore skewers some sacred cows in this movie.

[BannonsLiver]

1. Hard pass for me.

[jodymarie aimee]

2. I am running to see it...

cannot wait...he is genius brilliant. And honest to the core.

[BannonsLiver]

3. Well it's a Dem bash fest, so no surprise there.

[Cha]

21. Exactly. Michael Moore is full of shite and soooo Jealous of President Obama..

Michael Moore calls Obama a ‘huge disappointment’

<Moore continued: “When the history is written of this era, this is how you’ll be remembered. He was the first black president. OK, not a bad accomplishment. But that’s it. That’s it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, (it’ll be noted that) he was the first black American that got elected president. And that’s it — eight years of your life and that’s what people will remember.”>

https://nypost.com/2014/09/11/michael-moore-calls-obama-a-huge-disappointment/


BULLSHIT "..that's all what people will remember about President Obama". That's what Moore wishes.. ain't gonna happen.

Moore is a HUGE Disappointment.. Always Whining his Freaking head off about President Obama.

[BannonsLiver]

22. Yeah, Obama was only a dissapointment for those who thought he could fix everything

Moore is a magic unicorn pony guy who fits that bill. I also think he both hates, and is consumed by jealousy of President Obama. Probably because the Obama team wasn't sufficiently deferential to him in 2008.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. What a no good FUCKER

[NurseJackie]

31. I'm sick of him. (And why does he always look like he needs a bath?)

[llmart]

73. I always think the same thing when I see him.

He's like the Dems version of Bannon.

[NurseJackie]

74. Good comparison.

[yardwork]

45. It's all about Michael Moore. It's always been all about Michael Moore.

[Cha]

49. Yeah, Michael Moore is the "sacred cow" and a "Huge Disappointment".. all

thrown back in his face.

How they like it?

[Soxfan58]

128. He said that Obama was the best

President of his lifetime last night on Real Time?

[Doremus]

144. Yes, he did.

He made some very good points about the DNC that some don't want to hear but doesn't make them any less valid.

[Cha]

145. I read that on here. Guess he was too chicken-shit

to repeat the lie he spewed in 2014. Like there's no internet.

[Gothmog]

131. I agree Cha

[eleny]

4. I learned that he's ignored the Russian intervention

I say "ignored" because so many of our intelligence agencies reported that the Russians were involved. So if he left it out as a major reason why Dems lost the presidential election then it's willful ignorance.

He might be trying to light a fire under liberals. If so, this is not the way. Especially since our voting mechanisms are under attack right now.

[tiredtoo]

6. He did not leave out Russian intervention in election. EOM

[eleny]

14. How did he handle it?

During his extended appearance on Chris Hayes's tv show I don't recall him even acknowledging it.

How much time and emphasis did he give it compared to Democratic Party fault? Tia.

[OnDoutside]

18. Maybe he's concentrating on what can be fixed now, rather than wringing his hands ?

[eleny]

19. Then why isn't he emphasizing our voting machine vulnerability or voter supression by Republicans?

I've watched a few of his appearances lately and don't appreciate his putting the stress on the Dem Party when voter suppression is being conducted by the Republican Party as preached by Paul Weyrich decades ago.

[OnDoutside]

52. Not knowing his inner thoughts, this movie sounds consistent with his 2016 one. While voter

suppression is an important issue, there are other issues like citizens united and the dumping of massive amounts of money by the Kochs, Mercers etc.

[yardwork]

46. Lol. The Russian interference needs concerted attention now.

[OnDoutside]

53. 6 weeks before the Midterms is a bit of a stretch to imagine this movie can change Russian meddling!

[Hortensis]

55. Maybe he's dysfunctional. This is SUPPOSED to be a

warning about the growth of right-wing fascism. So how come everyone who's seen it is talking about what's wrong with Democrats?

Some leftists are just wired to shoot mainstream Democrats in the head and can't miss a chance at it. Tell that sort here on DU they need to be terrified at the enormous threat of right-wing fascism, and they'll think you're warning that Democrats may not replace Obamacare with Medicare for All this year.

Those stupid Democrats, condemning millions to death!

I've tried. It's like telling Trump the Paris climate accord isn't a giant plot to cheat us. Spitting into the wind.

Moore has a very long pattern of this behavior and is just a higher functioning version..

[betsuni]

61. This is so true.

[peekaloo]

124. The comparison between Hitler's rise and Thump is what ends the movie.

The tactics used in Nazi Germany to silence critics, cower the media EVEN the shaming of athletes for not "respecting" the National Anthem (which I did not know about) are there.

The Flint water crisis is laid at the feet of Rick Snyder, his lackeys and Jaime Dimon. Yes, he makes Obama look dickish but I thought he was trying to put across the betrayal felt by the people of Flint AFTER the film has gone into detail about the cover up of the test results re: lead contamination of their citizens.

His spotlight of up and comers IS NOT complimentary to the "Democratic Establishment" but it may be the only source of hope he puts forth. He highlights the young people who are trying to make changes in our system, most notably the Parkland students.

The big turnoff for some on this board will be he's sympathetic to Bernie Sanders.

p.s. he also does this montage of Thump and Ivanka which drew groans and repulsive laughter from the people around me in the theater.

[Cha]

69. Oh Moore is all about wringing his damn hands about President Obama..

Michael Moore calls Obama a ‘huge disappointment’

<Moore continued: “When the history is written of this era, this is how you’ll be remembered. He was the first black president. OK, not a bad accomplishment. But that’s it. That’s it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, (it’ll be noted that) he was the first black American that got elected president. And that’s it — eight years of your life and that’s what people will remember.”>

https://nypost.com/2014/09/11/michael-moore-calls-obama-a-huge-disappointment/


BULLSHIT "..that's all what people will remember about President Obama". That's what Moore wishes.. ain't gonna happen.

Moore is a HUGE Disappointment.. Always Whining his Freaking head off about President Obama.

[BannonsLiver]

5. Yes, I'm well aware of Moore's hatred and jealousy of President Obama

I'm sure that's what you meant by "sacred cow", which is offensive in the first place.

[tiredtoo]

7. Watch the movie and then share your opinion. eom

[BannonsLiver]

9. I think not.

I've never had herpes, but I know enough about it to know I don't want it.

Is Obama a sacred cow?

[tiredtoo]

10. You are comparing a movie to herpes?

Catch the scene where Obama visits Flint Michigan. Yes he is one of the sacred cows in that scene.

[BannonsLiver]

11. Yeah, my bad

We all know Flint was Obama's fault.

[tiredtoo]

12. No mention of Flint being Obama's fault in this movie

You must have got that data from some other source. Moore beats shit outta Snyder for the Flint water situation.

[BannonsLiver]

13. But yet manages to criticize Obama for it

And I don't care about his little movie, he's done it in person, in interviews etc. Peter Pan Moore at his finest.

[tiredtoo]

20. Amazing how you can pre judge a film without seeing it

Closing ones eyes causes lack of vision.

[avebury]

141. While Obama was not involved

with the creation of the Flint water crises, it is clear that the people of Flint felt betrayed. His visit to Flint appeared to provide shade for Snyder. He was in a position to provide real help to them and he didn't. Then allowing the military to use Flint for military exercises was appalling to say the least. I totally get why people didn't vote in 2016.

Overall the movie me both angry and depressed.

[BannonsLiver]

142. Oh.

[avebury]

143. The people of Flint went from being lied to by Snyder's

government on just how badly their children were being hurt by the bad water to feeling like they were in the middle of a war zone (with no advanced notice). The military thought that Flint, with a lot of vacant buildings, was a great place to practice fighting in an urban area. On the one hand the Rethug Snyder poisoned them and, on the other hand, a Democratically controlled military shot and bombed the heck out of buildings around them. It doesn't exactly inspire the people to vote for either side.

[Cha]

25. Michael Moore is some people's "sacred cow".. and sooo

jealous of President Obama.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11162096

[Eliot Rosewater]

30. FUCK YOU moore

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[Docreed2003]

33. Five bucks says Hillary is included in that slam...

Pure speculation on my part because I'm not watching it either.

It's interesting to me to see people throw around phrases like "sacred cows" to describe some of our finest Democratic leadership, and yet one especially "sacred cow", which shall not be named, enjoys a particular status outside the party, all the while shitting on it, much like Moore.

[BannonsLiver]

40. Yeah the sacred cow slur by the poster above is offensive

Glad I wasn’t the only one to notice. The poster obviously has a great deal of animus toward PBO, for reasons that are unclear yet probably familiar on some level, if you catch my drift.

[Eliot Rosewater]

54. Sacred cow is itself an ATTACK on our president.

What the FUCK is going on around here

One of these days if it is allowed to go on much longer the ACTUAL real democrats and liberals will say enough

[USALiberal]

125. LOL, great job keeping an open mind. nt

[BannonsLiver]

140. I give Mikey all the consideration he warrants

Which is very little at this stage of his career. But hey you enjoy the Obama/Dem bash fest. I hear that’s en vogue again in some circles.

[RandiFan1290]

8. I look forward to seeing the film

Will buy a few extra tickets for the whiners as well.

[Cha]

28. You can't make a post without calling DU members "whiners"..

you should look in the mirror first.

[George II]

34. Put me down as one of those "whiners" - yeah, I whine about anyone who bashes President Obama.....

....and Moore never misses a chance to do so.

As for me? Obama was definitely NOT a disappointment.

[BannonsLiver]

41. +1

Put me down as a “whiner” too.

[Cha]

71. We're Not "Whiners" Moore is the Fucking Whiner and Disingenuous

Asshole regarding President Obama.

Michael Moore calls Obama a ‘huge disappointment’

<Moore continued: “When the history is written of this era, this is how you’ll be remembered. He was the first black president. OK, not a bad accomplishment. But that’s it. That’s it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, (it’ll be noted that) he was the first black American that got elected president. And that’s it — eight years of your life and that’s what people will remember.”>

https://nypost.com/2014/09/11/michael-moore-calls-obama-a-huge-disappointment/


BULLSHIT "..that's all what people will remember about President Obama". That's what Moore wishes.. ain't gonna happen.

Moore is a HUGE Disappointment.. Always Whining his Freaking head off about President Obama.

[Kurt V.]

58. oh that's good

[Cha]

72. Yeah, it's so "good" that he can't make a post without

insulting members of DU. Fucking <sarcasm>.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

148. Lol yep

[Jamaal510]

159. Have fun buying tickets in vain. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

162. Lol. Yep.

[Scurrilous]

15. @#$% Michael Moore. n/t

[jalan48]

16. I plan to watch it.

[QC]

17. Moore is a blasphemer. Also, too, rich.

Progressives are supposed to be poor.

Therefore I will not see the film, even if it is true.

[ego_nation]

37. How many prominent liberals are you aware of

That have humble lifestyles?

[QC]

65. All of the Leaders of the Party live simple blue-collar lives

in such rustic settlements as Pacific Heights, Chappaqua, and Park Slope.

Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, has a jacket, and Michael Moore has a whole apartment to himself!

[sheshe2]

95. He owns three homes. eom

[JHan]

123. the horrors of capitalism.

[TexasBushwhacker]

63. Progressives are supposed to be poor?

Says who? Moore made his money fair and square abd pays his sizable income taxes.

[betsuni]

75. I guess he's one of those wealthy liberal elites that Bernie warns us about.

You're right, maybe you shouldn't see the film,

[QC]

78. Bernie is rich. He has a jacket. n/t

[betsuni]

79. You can buy his books on Amazon!

[QC]

81. If he's a socialist, he should give books away for free!

[betsuni]

85. "Bezos makes more in 10 seconds than the median Amazon employer makes in a year."

"This is what a rigged economy is all about." Bernie Sanders. Buy your books at independent book stores when you can!

[Cha]

84. BS whines about Amazon but that's where sells his books.

[betsuni]

86. The optics are unfortunate.

[ehrnst]

23. Very rich man trying to slum. I'll pass. (nt)

[rzemanfl]

24. Bookmarking. n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. You mean he attacks Obama and the Democratic Party, which makes it unacceptable

to me as a liberal and patriot.

[DrDan]

29. I'll be watching it

[babylonsister]

32. Thanks for your review.

[JHan]

35. sounds like Michael Moore is the sacred cow some want to protect from any criticism.

I have my criticisms of Obama but my criticisms aren't lies.

Suggesting that Obama was responsible for Flint or "did nothing" is a lie. The tragedy of flint was precipitated under Republican management of the state. It was a break down of civic institutions, a systemic failure that cannot be laid at the feet of one person.

Am I asking too much that people like Moore who make it their business to talk about politics, actually know how government works? Or actually, understand that Obama was filibustered to hell and back over 6 years of his presidency - over things like infrastructure investment and development?

Moore has had insightful things to say about mid-western politics which I've agreed with, but he doesn't realize that mid-western politics is no longer what it was in 1992. "Economic anxiety" is not a thing for Trump voters. We know too much now, We know exactly the undercurrents of 2016, it's not "economic anxiety" when Trump voters' median income was 72k.

Moore's poor judgment precedes him. He's a thought influencer, and his influence has helped produce worse outcomes - something he has yet to acknowledge. Instead of just saying.. "you know I was dead wrong about Al Gore" he doubled down: "Al Gore told me Nader didn't cost me the election". Yeah, I'm sure the false meme that Gore and Bush are the same which he helped push had no impact, none at all . Wanting Al Gore to run for Prez doesn't absolve him of his error of judgment. He did the same with Kerry and he was wrong about Romney winning. Also wrong when he claimed that Clinton was to the right of Obama ( He tried to make up for it with his documentary, but how does that even enter someone's mind??? Clinton addressed "environmental racism" and where was he???)

Pointing out his inconsistencies and his occasional lack of perspective is not protecting "sacred cows".

[sheshe2]

38. +1000

And a huge thank you, JHan.

[Cha]

43. Yes, it is "asking too much", JH.. big talkers like Moore can't be bother with important details..

like that..

Am I asking too much that people like Moore who make it their business to talk about politics, actually know how government works? Or actually, understand that Obama was filibustered to hell and back over 6 years of his presidency - over things like infrastructure investment and development?

And, that fact that all President Obama had to work with was repubs was due in large part because of the Purists who stayed home in 2010 and the Hateful fucking teabaggers.

Thank you!

[BannonsLiver]

59. Terrific post and insight

[betsuni]

60. +10000000000000000

[tiredtoo]

36. Sorry friends, I did not post this to create havoc

Among Democrats. Any that can get over their dislike of Moore may find it enlightening and interesting. I used the term sacred cows and apparently based on some of the replies here the term is correct.

[Cha]

39. Michael Moore is a "Huge Disappointment".. I don't believe a word he says..

Sorry about your "sacred cow"..

<Moore continued: “When the history is written of this era, this is how you’ll be remembered. He was the first black president. OK, not a bad accomplishment. But that’s it. That’s it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, (it’ll be noted that) he was the first black American that got elected president. And that’s it — eight years of your life and that’s what people will remember.”>

https://nypost.com/2014/09/11/michael-moore-calls-obama-a-huge-disappointment/


BULLSHIT "..that's all what people will remember about President Obama". That's what Moore wishes.. ain't gonna happen.

Moore is a HUGE Disappointment.. Always Whining his Freaking head off about President Obama.

[tiredtoo]

42. Call me back after you watch the movie. eom

[Cha]

44. Sorry, Michael Moore is your "sacred cow" and a "Huge Disappointment ".

[Eliot Rosewater]

57. Thank you, good one.

[gabeana]

47. They won't

But I can't wait to see it!

[demmiblue]

48. I plan on seeing it.

Sadly, he was right about the mood in Michigan in 2016.

I know there were serious interfering factors, but it shouldn't have been even near that close.

I expect to agree with most of his findings, and disagree (probably strongly) with a small portion.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. You mean the tens of thousands of missing ballots in Detroit?

Rump did not win those states.

Or was it 70,000 ballots where they left the prez election not marked


MY ASS is what I say about that

[LenaBaby61]

111. "Rump did not win those states."

Nope, he didn't.

Between ruskie interference, gerrymandering, purging of Dem voter rolls & cross-check.

Again NOPE, treasonous fatso-in-chief didn't win those 3 states he magically WON on election night 🙄

Secondly, I'll pass on Moore's movie 😴😴

[Meadowoak]

129. Yep

[peekaloo]

122. Are you in Michigan?

He devotes a good chunk of the film on Flint and the water crisis and he does include Obama's visit with the "I don't normally pull these stunts" sampling of the water. The part which I was unaware of was the military exercises in Flint's abandoned buildings.

I won't spoil the film for you but there are some teeth grinding observations regarding the Democrats.

[Ninsianna]

156. No, he wasn't. He did create a mood among certain people who bought the lies.

It should not have been close, but those ballots spoke volumes. Blank spaces, writing in invalid names, the Steiners. Etc.

[betsuni]

50. Sacred cows? I'm SO SICK of people claiming that we never criticize our elected officials

and have blind allegiance in an echo chamber full of rah rah cheerleaders. We don't believe LIES. Moore doesn't even have his facts straight.

[Cha]

68. Yes, the OP is Projecting when he invokes "sacred cows"..

Try calling out MM & BS and we see what "sacred cows" are all about.

That is correct.. we don't believe the Lies of those with an agenda to sell a movie or whatever agenda.

Fuck Off MM.. like I would spend one fucking cent on that asshole.

[betsuni]

70. "Try calling out MM & BS and we see what 'sacred cows' are all about."

Yes, that's "bashing" even if you're simply quoting the words coming out of their mouths. I want to find out what he's accusing Obama of in Flint. What is his problem.

[sheshe2]

83. No, not "bashing"

We are called "haters".

[betsuni]

94. Oh right, haterz.

[Amimnoch]

56. Yeah.. I think I have other plans..

Maybe washing my hair,
Mowing the lawn,
Get some more MiniVAN canvassing done for Beto, and Lizzie..

Something that’s productive, or helps Democrats instead of more bashing on them.

[Raine]

62. THANKS, scared cows getting skewed doesn't bother me

I'm more inclined to see the movie..

[Cha]

67. Michael Moore is a "scared cow" to some.. and a "Huge

Disappointment".

Michael Moore calls Obama a ‘huge disappointment’

<Moore continued: “When the history is written of this era, this is how you’ll be remembered. He was the first black president. OK, not a bad accomplishment. But that’s it. That’s it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, (it’ll be noted that) he was the first black American that got elected president. And that’s it — eight years of your life and that’s what people will remember.”>

https://nypost.com/2014/09/11/michael-moore-calls-obama-a-huge-disappointment/


BULLSHIT "..that's all what people will remember about President Obama". That's what Moore wishes.. ain't gonna happen.

Moore is a "Huge Disappointment".. Always Whining his Freaking head off about President Obama.

Just because the OP calls it a "scared cow" doesn't mean shite. He's projecting.. When MM and BS are called out then you'll see all about "Sacred Cows".

[JI7]

64. Michael Moore is resentful of Obama

[still_one]

66. F**K Michael Moore for the same bullshit he pulled in 2000 by saying a "vote for Gore is a vote for

bush"

Moore doing this right before the midterms SPEAKS VOLUMES

[Cha]

82. Poster below says he was just on Maher "bitching about President Obama and Hillary.."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11163599

Right before the Midterms.. Stupid MF RF.

[still_one]

87. He is back to his regular self. Yup, right before the midterms is not a coincidence

[betsuni]

90. I have the feeling that after watching the show I will be up for using some "fucks" next time

I mention Moore.

[Cha]

93. I know.. imagine if I could actually

sit through that. My tolerance is way low for BullShit.

[dchill]

76. At times I wish he'd go skewer himself.

[jcgoldie]

77. FUCK MICHAEL MOORE

Bitching about Clinton and Obama on Maher... go fuck yourself and stick your movie up your ass. He's still Bernie Butthurt.

[Cha]

80. Yeah, Fucking Michael Moore Needs to Fuck the FUCK OFF.

Fucking RF.

[jcgoldie]

88. right

He said the point of the movie is to get out the vote... and then he spent the next 8 minutes or whatever the opening guest gets on Real Time talking about superdelegates and how they sunk Bernie (which they DIDNT) and Obama drinking fake water so nobody showed up to vote in Flint.

[betsuni]

89. Did he say that about Obama drinking fake water on Real Time?

I don't remember that at all. When was this? Edit: oh wait, must be today's show.

[jcgoldie]

92. yes he did.

And he said that completely deflated the turnout.

[Cha]

91. That proves MM is a fucking LIAR right there.. pushing Propaganda.

Big Mouth Liar.

[betsuni]

97. I just watched and it gets worse. Not only did he say Obama lied that the water was fine,

pretended to drink it as a stunt, but then: "Obama sends the Pentagon in to use Flint for target practice and for ten days and nights in a row, fires missiles and bombs into abandoned buildings, troops firing their guns. Nobody was told in advance they were coming, people thought it was a terrorist incident."

A summary of why MM thinks Trump won:

Crooked Hillary stole the election
Superdelegates
Hillary got questions in advance and Bernie didn't
More people in Michigan showed up for the primary than the election in November
Obama obviously wants to kill everybody in Michigan

[JI7]

98. fuck him

[betsuni]

99. He's a conspiracy theory loon now, fuck him.

[Cha]

101. JHC.. all our struggle to get back our Democracy needs right

now.. another fucking Divider with a big bully bullhorn.

[Cha]

100. So this is MFM's BullShit Bitter Tour. Jealous Asshole.

Bernie Sanders 'deeply humiliated' Democrats lost white working-class voters

snip//

Washington (CNN) — Sen. Bernie Sanders expressed his disappointment Monday with Hillary Clinton's failure to secure the support of white working-class voters in last week's presidential election.

Donald Trump "very effectively" tapped into "the anger and angst and pain that many working class people are feeling," the Vermont independent senator who challenged Clinton in the Democratic primary said on "CBS This Morning."

"I think that there needs to be a profound change in the way the Democratic Party does business," Sanders said. "It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/bernie-sanders-humiliated-democrats-loss-working-class-voters/index.html

Trump Voters Driven by Fear of Losing Status, Not Economic Anxiety, Study Finds

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210532271

White working-class economic anxiety is a zombie idea that needs to die

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10028434018

The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/

That's just one example of his gratuitous insults to our Party SINCE the 2016 "Election".

Moore pushing Propaganda right before the 2018 Midterms of our Lives.

Any pushback from Maher?

P.S. I know I post the above a lot.. trying to counter the bullshit.

Thanks betsuni... that doesn't sound like President Obama.. he doesn't lie.. but I know MM does.

[betsuni]

103. Maher started off by asking MM why he was still "harping on the right-wing talking point

that Hillary stole the election." It wasn't the panel so Bill generally lets guests talk without much interruption.

On the panel there was an idiot populist who wouldn't listen to all the reasons why both parties weren't the same and Bill said "Populists in this country are not really populists, they are people who have a grievance against racial matters and it masquerades as economic matters."

[Cha]

104. Well, Thank Goodness for That!

Maher started off by asking MM why he was still "harping on the right-wing talking point that Hillary stole the election

Did MM have an answer?

And, This..

Bill said "Populists in this country are not really populists, they are people who have a grievance against racial matters and it masquerades as economic matters."

Thanks betsuni for reporting on what Bill said on his show.

[betsuni]

105. His answer was:

MM: We'll never really know if the election was stolen because in the 22 states Bernie won ... which is ... half the states

BM: But caucus states.

MM: (ignoring anything about caucuses) They've got to get rid of that system. Just be a primary where everybody votes and there are no superdelegates. The DNC had a meeting and they said they got rid of the superdelegates but they didn't. To their credit, Republicans don't have superdelegates.

So ... superdelegates did it, I guess.

[Cha]

106. Sure as Shite Yes We Know the Election Was NOT Stolen, MM.

You are the Dumb MF who hasn't a fucking clue. G.D. him.

Almost 4 MILLION VOTES tells people with a brain what happened.

I wonder if ol genius there has any fucking clue how many people he's pissed off in the Reality Based Community?

Oh yes praise the MF GOPUTINS, "Genius".

[betsuni]

108. He gives the Republicans a lot of credit.

On Overtime, he argued that Democrats should have slogans like Trump and not worry if the candidates can fulfill them. Just say "free college" and we'll figure out how to accomplish that later. He wants to win, he wants everything and he wants it now. Say anything. Trump said (about health care) that he would do "Something terrific." People vote for what they want and Trump understood that.

I was impressed with guest Catherine Rampell. She said, no, we shouldn't be like Republicans. We shouldn't just put out slogans to get the most voters. Don't give up on serious ideas that can be executed. Have a plan. "When it comes to things like how Medicare-for-all would work, for example, if you look at Bernie's math it made no sense."

[Cha]

109. OMG! "Be Moar like my idol trump.. he's a Winner!" Yeah,

right.. we're gonna take campaigning advice from MM..

Wait.. did he even acknowledge the role the Russians/putin had in getting trump Rigged in?

trump is a fucking idiot.. he understands LYING and BUllying.. no thanks michael moore.

I can't even.. he already said in 2014 that ".. Obama will only be known for being the First Black President.. and that is all.. "

Can you imagine how many African Americans he pissed off that stupid pronouncement?

President Obama has done more for our country than MM will ever do.. and that goes for Hillary, too.

[betsuni]

112. NO of course Russia/Putin did not come up.

Superdelegates are more important.

[Cha]

113. Right.. according to what's his name. Btw..

as you know.. African Americans are our Democratic Base.. especially the Women and they are high information voters. Of course they know that garbage that MM spews about President Obama.

MM backed El Sayed for Michigan Gov, too.. wonder what his excuse for losing that one is.. Not enough "free stuff"?

Oh I think I know High Voter turnout?!

[JI7]

110. the people that voted for Trump did so because he attacked minorities

not because he said "free college" "or "something terrific" or some other bs.

he refuses to call out the shit that voted for Trump and why they did so.

[Cha]

115. That fact doesn't fit in with Moore's agenda of blaming

the Dems and Hillary for trump getting RIGGED in.

[betsuni]

116. He can't, he won't. This sheep has lost its way.

[JonLP24]

114. I call out racism all the time

But does Maher mean Trump? Bill Maher is the one who defended Bill Of silly over Maxine Waters, says racist shit all the time, defends racism in general under the phrase "political correctness".

I don't think populists in our party are racists. Like you guys ditched MM I stopped listening to Mayer's bullshit a long time ago.


Maher is the one that told Hillary Clinton to stay in the woods.

“Hillary, stay in the woods, OK? You had your shot. You f—ed it up. You’re Bill Buckner,” Mr. Maher said. “We had the World Series, and you let the grounder go through your legs. Let someone else have the chance.

“The fact that she’s coming back, it just verifies every bad thing anyone’s ever thought about the Clintons, that it’s all about them,” Mr. Maher said. “Let some of the other shorter trees get a little sunlight.”

Neera Tanden, president of the liberal think tank Center for American Progress, disagreed with Mr. Maher, saying Mrs. Clinton has every right to speak out on an issue that “she’s worked on for decades of her life.”

“Yeah, but what did she speak about?” Mr. Maher asked. “She’s speaking out because Bill O’Reilly made a joke about Maxine Waters’ hair.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/3/bill-maher-to-hillary-clinton-stay-in-the-woods-ok/

I voted for Bernie in the primary but I would never say things like that about Hillary Clinton. In fact I agreed with her when she spoke out against O'Reilly making a racist/sexist remark about Maxine Waters.

[betsuni]

117. Maher gave 2 million dollars to super PACs affiliated with House and Senate Democrats.

To win back the House and Senate.

[Anon-C]

127. Thank you for telling the truth!

[jcgoldie]

138. Of course Maher didn't pushback

He applauded Moore for attacking democrats because "that's what friends do". I like Bill, in fact I just shelled out $80 to see him in St.Louis with the wife last month. But he's too enamored with "political incorrectness" to see the forest through the trees. He applauds Moore hammering our side for the same reason he gives a platform to people like that Yiannopoulos douchebag.

[workinclasszero]

96. Screw Moore

The GOP loves him

[JI7]

102. Inside Michael Moore's Smear Campaign Against the Man Who Helped Build His Film Festival

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/michael-moore-smear-law-suit-boston-light-sound-chapin-cutler-1202003806/

[Snackshack]

107. Thanks.

I don’t always agree with Moore. I think he is wrong about President Obama in general but I agree with several points I have heard him make but I will give him credit for trying. His movies he did about healthcare and gun control I think were very good.

[Achilleaze]

118. Ignore trolls. Go see the movie.

Sobering.

[betsuni]

119. You are calling DU members trolls.

[Achilleaze]

120. Nope

Calling trolls trolls.

[betsuni]

121. Nope.

This is a site for Democrats.

[Gothmog]

130. No thank you

Moore ceased to be credible a long time ago

Moore was a jerk last night and I will not waste my money on this person

[lunamagica]

132. I hope this movie is a huge box office flop

[Gothmog]

137. Same here

[Hoyt]

133. Maher interviewed Moore last night, commended him for criticizing Dems - "That's what friends do."

Clearly Moore is for Democrats. He said he "loved Obama and Obama is likely the best Prez in our lifetime." I'm OK with that, even if he has differences and criticism. There are similar differences expressed here.

[ProfessorGAC]

134. Now That I've Watched Maher

Lots of kneejerk about his comments here
HE DID NOT DO WHAT EARLIER POSTERS CLAIMED!
And, I'm not a Moore disciple. I think he's OK, but not a sage!
But, every criticism of Democrats is not some apostasy.
The anger above, I believe is totally misplaced

[jcgoldie]

136. Yes he did

Here's the clip people can judge for themselves.

Certainly seems to me Michael Moore is all about Michael Moore and Bernie Sanders and not about electing democrats. I will not be watching his movie based on this ridiculous interview... guess that means I'm a "troll"... whatever, Michael Moore can fuck off. Donald Trump is destroying American democracy and theres an election 6 weeks out... ding ding ding perfect time to bring up some stupid conspiracy theory about whether Obama really drank a glass of water... WTF?

[ProfessorGAC]

139. No He Didn't

See how easy this is?
Probably not?
Pissing on allies is a stupid strategy!
You must be so self satisfied!

[jcgoldie]

147. I posted the clip WTF?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

150. It's ridiculous.

[George II]

158. No it isn't. Still sticking with the violence against little girl GIFs I see.

[Adrahil]

135. Sacred cows my ass. Moore talks utter bullshit.

Every time I think he's learning something, he proves to me he's STILL an idiot.

[Devil Child]

146. Apparently if I watch this movie I will magically become third party of GOP voter

People ascribe mythical powers to the likes of Michael Moore/Susan Sarandon/etc while believing Democratic voters are sway-able like a trash-bag in the wind by any criticism of Democrats. "Far-left" bogeymen are a favorite piñata to beat upon here.

Whatever, nothing will stop me from voting D down ticket in every upcoming election.

[Fiendish Thingy]

149. Just saw the film- it is an inspiring call to action for those who put country before party

The criticisms in the film of what some have called "sacred cows" were fair and valid.
Contrary to the beliefs of some, the film is not a "Dem bash fest", and, in fact, it promotes many Dems who are running to take back Congress in the midterms.

I thought he went too easy on the media though...

[Power 2 the People]

151. Thanks for the balanced review Fiendish

I'll watch it with an open mind.

[deancr]

152. Just so

I saw the film at the State Theater here in Traverse City. The theater on the main drag that was vacant for years (closed shortly after I saw Platoon when it first ran). He used his fame to help reopen it as a community theater run primarily by volunteers. You can see classic films on Wednesday for a quarter and it has regular showings dedicated to kids who have disabilities. I'm sure he has quietly poured loads of his own money into the place just like the max donation he gave to a woman candidate for the state house on whose campaign I help.
When a local car dealer cut off funding to planned parenthood over the recent abortion nonsense, Moore donated an amount equivalent to that lost. But he is the scum of the earth? Not so much. He walks the walk and doesn't talk about it.
And yes, the film is excellent.

[deancr]

153. Oh

and the woman running for the state house is a dem.

[KG]

154. I lulz'd

[tiredtoo]

155. So how did you all like the movie? eom

[Ninsianna]

157. Can you find a less offensive way to state how Moore bashed Dems?

After all the shit he did to bring this about here in MI, where flint overwhelmingly voted for Hillary every chance they got?

Incrediblbly offensive to Hindus too. I realize we are a minority, but that shit is not acceptable.

[George II]

160. Apparently not many were interested:

How Michael Moore Lost His Audience

The films of Michael Moore have been faltering at the box office for several years now. This weekend, though, the lackluster performance of his latest truth-to-power opus, “Fahrenheit 11/9,” was notably dramatic, if not downright stark. The movie is a sequel, of sorts, to “Fahrenheit 9/11,” Moore’s scathing riff on the administration of George W. Bush. That movie, when it was released in 2004, made $119 million, becoming the highest-grossing documentary of all time. It was a special moment, of course. America was still grappling with the shock of 9/11, and Moore’s film became a lightning rod — a catharsis for liberals (or some of them, anyway) and a symbol, for conservatives, of everything that was wrong with liberalism. But one thing, perhaps, that everyone could agree on is that in “Fahrenheit 9/11,” Michael Moore, for good or ill, had become instrumental in defining the national dialogue.

“Fahrenheit 11/9,” his scathing riff on the administration of Donald J. Trump, will be lucky to gross one-tenth of what “Fahrenheit 9/11” did. That’s more than just a staggering comedown. It symbolizes a couple of things at once: how different the two eras are, but also how Michael Moore’s audience — there’s no other way to put it — has gradually drifted away. It symbolizes that Moore is no longer defining the dialogue. A Trump-era conservative would probably say, “It’s about time! Michael Moore has lied so much that it’s all finally caught up with him.” A Trump-era liberal would probably say, “I still agree with him, but I’ve seen enough Michael Moore movies. I know his message already.”

(more.....)

https://variety.com/2018/film/columns/how-michael-moore-lost-his-audience-fahrenheit-11-9-1202953813/

[AnnieBW]

161. It was NOT a Dem Bash

Only certain Dems - especially Steny Hoyer. Moore is only saying the things that a lot of us on DU are saying - we need to get rid of the Dem Gerontocracy and get new blood into the leadership. But, oh, boy, does he have it out for Rick Snyder.