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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:54 PM Sep 2018

Mueller needs to wrap it up, looks like.

If there's going to be a chance of completing the investigation at all and issuing a report, he has to do it soon. If he waits much longer, the investigation will be ended (or cut off at the knees), and any report he issues won't be released to the public. Maybe not even to Congress as a whole, just to the investigation committees, and designated classified.

Trump will then tell everyone it exonerates him completely of anything and everything, and he may release some flattering excerpts as backup.

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Mueller needs to wrap it up, looks like. (Original Post) Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 OP
He knows what he's doing - better than we do. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #1
You're probably right. But I'm very worried. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #3
Trump vows to rid Justice Department of 'lingering stench' janx Sep 2018 #14
Protests don't matter, except to express our disapproval or outrage. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #18
Nobody Is Going To Tell Mueller What To Do LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #2
Well, no. He has a boss: Rosenstein (or Rosenstein's replacement). Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #19
Mr. Mueller bdamomma Sep 2018 #4
No rush anymore...Mueller already has an ocean of evidence locked up. Beyond reasonable doubt. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #5
My concern is that there won't be anyone around to write, or receive, his report. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #9
It won't be soon manor321 Sep 2018 #6
Mueller must have a Plan B figured out a long time ago elfin Sep 2018 #7
We've seen some of it already, in passing some elements of the states, beyond the reach of Trump. I OnDoutside Sep 2018 #15
I have confidence in Mueller ooky Sep 2018 #8
That's my worry..the Repubs. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #10
Far less complex investigations have lasted for several years. What's this one at? Less than 1.5 yrs Garrett78 Sep 2018 #11
I understand that. But WE are not in control. Mueller is not in control. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #12
But not the State investigations.. HipChick Sep 2018 #13
Ohhhhh...I forgot about those. Phew! Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #16
Mueller is taking care of business. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #17

The Velveteen Ocelot

(123,712 posts)
1. He knows what he's doing - better than we do.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:57 PM
Sep 2018

And I have no doubt that he has some kind of contingency plan in case of Trump's interference.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. You're probably right. But I'm very worried.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:58 PM
Sep 2018

I'm sure he has a plan, with Rosenstein, anticipating Trump's sudden cutting the investigation off, firing either or both of them, or the like.

And of course, we want the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

But if it gets cut off, all this is for naught.

janx

(24,128 posts)
14. Trump vows to rid Justice Department of 'lingering stench'
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 01:45 PM
Sep 2018
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/21/politics/donald-trump-rod-rosenstein-lingering-stench/index.html




It sure sounds like it. But if he gets rid of Rosenstein, protests are going to erupt all over this country.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. Protests don't matter, except to express our disapproval or outrage.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 05:11 AM
Sep 2018

But it's unconnected to policy.

What matters is whether Republicans in Congress would do anything about it. Doesn't look like they would, since some of them have made steps to get rid of Rosenstein or damage him, as I recall.

 
2. Nobody Is Going To Tell Mueller What To Do
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:58 PM
Sep 2018

Based upon his actions thus far, I don't see any of them altering their course of action. If Drumpf wants to fire them, he will. Mueller is going to do what he wants, when he wants.

Hopefully he has a contingency plan ready to go in case something happens, but it's not something we'll know until then.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. Well, no. He has a boss: Rosenstein (or Rosenstein's replacement).
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 05:18 AM
Sep 2018

Mueller didn't appoint himself or dictate his directive. The govt, thru Rosenstein, did that.

Rosenstein or his replacement could fire Mueller tomorrow, or change his directive.

If he has a kill button to execute in an emergency, it would be one approved by Rosenstein. Mueller can't or won't do anything not authorized by Rosenstein (or his replacement). The transference of charges to the states for Manafort & Cohen, for example....Mueller went to Rosenstein for approval for that.

Mueller is not a lone wolf. He serves at the pleasure of the deputy AG.

I would bet money that Rosenstein & Mueller have discussed what to do in the event Rosenstein is suddenly fired.

bdamomma

(67,740 posts)
4. Mr. Mueller
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:59 PM
Sep 2018

is not stupid, he knows what he is doing, and also his full team. He has knowledge of investigating thugs.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. No rush anymore...Mueller already has an ocean of evidence locked up. Beyond reasonable doubt.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 08:25 PM
Sep 2018

Modern investigation is not like investigations in the 90's...technology has speeded up the process immensely, which is why I ignore the time it takes to indictment history of other political investigations.

Can you imagine collating and going through hundreds of thousands of documents without modern technology to court level admissibility?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
9. My concern is that there won't be anyone around to write, or receive, his report.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 10:15 PM
Sep 2018

I don't think the Republicans in Congress will receive it or publish it. Or act on it.

Maybe he's got a Plan B in the can, should anything happen to him.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
7. Mueller must have a Plan B figured out a long time ago
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 08:29 PM
Sep 2018

My fervent hope.

Can't figure out why the Times published NOW. Did they rush it without enough research? Another poster suggested they were played.

My stomach is in knots. I want this to END.

OnDoutside

(20,735 posts)
15. We've seen some of it already, in passing some elements of the states, beyond the reach of Trump. I
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 02:18 PM
Sep 2018

wouldn't doubt that if this went nuclear, others (including foreign intel agencies) would make sure lots of stuff would be leaked.

ooky

(10,015 posts)
8. I have confidence in Mueller
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 08:34 PM
Sep 2018

that he will be ready if suddenly fired. I don't see all the work he has done going for naught. The question in my mind is what the Republicans will do to supress his findings.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
10. That's my worry..the Repubs.
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 10:20 PM
Sep 2018

Trump's team is trying to act on this before the mid-terms, so they can shut it down and not release or act on any findings. The Repubs in Congress will assist with that.

Without Rosenstein, I don't know of anyone who will protect the investigation and let the public know what the results are. As far as I know, Mueller is powerless to issue a report for the public or anyone besides the Deputy AG, whoever that is.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
11. Far less complex investigations have lasted for several years. What's this one at? Less than 1.5 yrs
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 10:39 PM
Sep 2018

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. I understand that. But WE are not in control. Mueller is not in control.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 01:34 PM
Sep 2018

Rosenstein is in danger of being fired. When he is, the Mueller investigation is effectively OVER.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. Ohhhhh...I forgot about those. Phew!
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 07:52 PM
Sep 2018

At least we have SOMETHING, in a worst case scenario.

But as others have said, Mueller & Rosenstein probably have a Nuclear Day plan.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
17. Mueller is taking care of business.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:00 PM
Sep 2018

Even if Trump removes Mueller he has a kill button that will activate anything that has not already been put in the chute.

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