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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:03 AM Sep 2018

Michael Moore Rips Obama, Blames Him For Allowing Trump to Win Michigan in 2016


by Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Sep 21st, 2018, 11:11 pm

On Friday night, liberal documentary filmmaker Michael Moore criticized former President Barack Obama for actions he made during the 2016 election.

Promoting his new film Fahrenheit 11/9, Moore began by pointing out how Hillary Clinton lost his home state of Michigan by “about two votes per precinct” and that she “never should have lost a blue state.” He added that the people of Flint felt they were “used as props” after it was learned that Clinton received debate questions in advance during the primaries and not Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT).

Moore also noted that more people voted in the April primary in Michigan than did in the general election.

He then “sadly” pivoted to President Obama, who he previously noted was the “greatest” president of his lifetime.

“In the film, I show something that sadly President Obama did by coming to Flint and telling the people the water was okay. It was still poison,” Moore told Bill Maher. “And then he pretended to drink from a glass of water and then said that it wasn’t a stunt. And it was. And it just put a knife in the heart of so many people in Flint who were hoping he would come with the Army Corps of Engineers, dig up these poison pipes, and replace the pipes in the city. And he didn’t do that. And then people gave up and a lot of people stayed home. They didn’t vote for Trump, but they just stayed home.”

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Michael Moore Rips Obama, Blames Him For Allowing Trump to Win Michigan in 2016 (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2018 OP
Both Maher and Moore spend too much time Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #1
Bill has his libertarian bent, and is simply a caustic critic in his comedy. He also just penned... Anon-C Sep 2018 #26
Very true Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #51
Sometimes the truth hurts Separation Sep 2018 #60
That's not the point Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #61
I am no Moore fan, but. Blue_true Sep 2018 #47
On that one point Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #50
I see your point. I don't trust Moore, Maher seem to have learned somewhat. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #53
Obama was a magnificent president, regardless of what Moore says. IluvPitties Sep 2018 #2
Yes he was. still_one Sep 2018 #5
He jumped the shark pandering to the "I didn't vote because I just wasn't inspired" guy in the Squinch Sep 2018 #3
F**K you Michael Moore. You fooled a lot of people, but you are back to your roots from 2000 when still_one Sep 2018 #4
Righteous! Mahalo, still_one.. Cha Sep 2018 #15
I'll see your fuck you wryter2000 Sep 2018 #27
LOL still_one Sep 2018 #31
... Scurrilous Sep 2018 #32
I'll throw in a dozen more. GoCubsGo Sep 2018 #35
A Hell Of A Way To Promote Your New Movie Michael..... global1 Sep 2018 #6
Moore: betsuni Sep 2018 #7
Meanwhile President Obama is out there delivering a message to Dems.. Cha Sep 2018 #9
Oh no, Obama is an Establishment Dem: "a bigger roadblock to social progress than Trump." betsuni Sep 2018 #17
We're a bigger block to social progress than Trump! Hortensis Sep 2018 #23
"A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush." Hortensis Sep 2018 #19
But they didn't believe in the same thing and Moore has Blood Cha Sep 2018 #20
why should i watch this guy's movie again? JHan Sep 2018 #25
Bernie lost fair and square. And supedelegates played no roll, nor was there ever the possibility StevieM Sep 2018 #38
Meanwhile President Obama is out there delivering a message to Dems.. Cha Sep 2018 #8
Mr, Moore your 15 minutes have been whistler162 Sep 2018 #10
Fuck Moore. I'll take Obama over anything Moore has ever done in his life. MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #11
Promoting his movie? This dem won't be going to see it.. HipChick Sep 2018 #12
"Decent hard-working" white non-voters and Trump voters. betsuni Sep 2018 #13
How do I go about alerting on Michael Moore? marble falls Sep 2018 #14
Outrageous bald-faced lying twist. Obama had claimed a Hortensis Sep 2018 #16
Thank you. betsuni Sep 2018 #18
Very disappointed in Moore for disinforming. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2018 #39
Very Well Put Me. Sep 2018 #43
Thank you for this info!! Bleacher Creature Sep 2018 #44
+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #56
I stopped paying attentiont to Maher and Moore a whole back Gothmog Sep 2018 #21
F$$K him! nt jrthin Sep 2018 #22
And here's Moore once again trying to depress Democratic votes mcar Sep 2018 #24
Well, he HAD to bring up Obama dalton99a Sep 2018 #64
Well, I won't be going to his movie - I will just stay home! FM123 Sep 2018 #28
MM has always obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2018 #29
so obama really can walk on water??? dembotoz Sep 2018 #30
Exactly. peekaloo Sep 2018 #33
Really? Me. Sep 2018 #41
No backslap dembotoz Sep 2018 #46
Somebody has a movie to sell EricMaundry Sep 2018 #34
First of all, Donna Brazille said to Tucker Carlson: "you don't know what I said to the Sanders StevieM Sep 2018 #36
I saw that Thom Hartman was also a guest. GoCubsGo Sep 2018 #37
Just a Different Version Of Hannity Me. Sep 2018 #40
Obama is more popular than ever at this point treestar Sep 2018 #42
He's a bullshit artist. SharonClark Sep 2018 #45
I'll bet Moore is way off the marks. Not that BootinUp Sep 2018 #48
Michael Moore is making yet another cash grab. joshcryer Sep 2018 #49
Y'know, it is possible for two things to be true at once: shanny Sep 2018 #52
Michael Moore: Go Fuck Yourself. DinahMoeHum Sep 2018 #54
Continually amazed G_j Sep 2018 #55
It is interesting! David__77 Sep 2018 #58
F*ck Michael Moore YessirAtsaFact Sep 2018 #57
Typical..all talk and no game.. other than the blame game Thekaspervote Sep 2018 #59
Moore is trying to hurt the party Gothmog Sep 2018 #62
Blame the black guy for majority of whites voting for an openly white supremacist candidate JI7 Sep 2018 #63
 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
1. Both Maher and Moore spend too much time
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:06 AM
Sep 2018

attacking Democrats. They need to stop and focus on defeating Republican. This country can't afford demands for purity right now.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
26. Bill has his libertarian bent, and is simply a caustic critic in his comedy. He also just penned...
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:20 AM
Sep 2018

...a check for millions to support Dems in these midterms.

So there is a difference.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
51. Very true
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 05:23 PM
Sep 2018

And as much as a million dollars helps, his constant slamming of the party does far more damage.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
60. Sometimes the truth hurts
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 06:31 PM
Sep 2018

Especially when directed inwards. What separates Maher, is he puts his money where his mouth is. He also just doesn't complain about something, he will give advice or allow his guests to say how something could be changed. That's why I like Maher, even though he has his own faults...just like the democratic party...and even myself.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
61. That's not the point
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 06:38 PM
Sep 2018

His attacks on Dems hurt the party. That only encourages some people to stay home. Remember he supported Nader in 2000 because Gore was pure enough on environmental issues.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
47. I am no Moore fan, but.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 01:48 PM
Sep 2018

The republican leaders in Michigan were doing nothing about Flint's water. The people were looking to President Obama for help. If President Obama did nothing more than what Snyder did (drink from a proven "safe" faucet and take a gallon on water "home" with him, then the tactic was a mistake. Our politicians should be people that gather facts, then step in forcefully to right wrongs. So, I agree with Moore's sentiment on this.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
50. On that one point
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 05:22 PM
Sep 2018

You're right. But I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to his and Maher's more general and frequent slamming of the party. Remember, these are two people who were big Nader supporters in 2000 because Al Gore wasn't pure enough for them.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
3. He jumped the shark pandering to the "I didn't vote because I just wasn't inspired" guy in the
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:11 AM
Sep 2018

Hayes interview. Now he's just swimming with the fishes.

still_one

(92,155 posts)
4. F**K you Michael Moore. You fooled a lot of people, but you are back to your roots from 2000 when
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:14 AM
Sep 2018

you said a vote for Gore is a vote for bush. You, Sarandon, Nader, and the rest of the assholes who have been doing your damnedest to setup false equivalencies between Democrats and republicans, and it never fails, you always come out of your holes right before an election

"Those damn establishment Democrats."


Will stick this up your stupid fat ass moore. look at the Supreme Court appointments made by DEMOCRATS verses republicans.

Who was the President that appointed Justice Ginsberg again? Who was the party that gave us the Civil Rights Act, the voting rights Act, Lilly Ledbetter Act, the Iran nuclear deal, prevented the collapse of the American car market, etc. etc. etc.

The Presidents behind that just happened to be establishment Democrats.

Of course the asshole will get a lot of attention because he is bashing Democrats, all to promote his movie probably so he can generate enough revenue to pay for the messy divorce he is going through now. Is that Obama's fault too Moore?

Perhaps the local and state officials are where you should start looking, and who elected those folks?

global1

(25,242 posts)
6. A Hell Of A Way To Promote Your New Movie Michael.....
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:23 AM
Sep 2018

I'm not motivated to see it now. I guess we could accuse you of doing the same thing you say Obama did to Michigan - not go see your movie and just stay home.

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
7. Moore:
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:23 AM
Sep 2018

Crooked Hillary stole the election
Superdelegates also stole the election; Republicans don't have superdelegates, to their credit (Way to go, Republicans!)
Hillary got questions in advance, Bernie didn't
More people showed up for the primary than the November election
Obama is a liar
Obama wanted to kill everyone in Flint: if not by poisoned water, then by the military

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. We're a bigger block to social progress than Trump!
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 09:30 AM
Sep 2018

This man uses his "rumpled working man schtick" to persuade the real thing that there was no difference between Gore and W, that America would be worse off now under Hillary than under Trump!

He's worse than insane because he can sell this trash to weak minds.

We know this man's manipulations threw Florida and thus the nation to the Republicans in 2000, but that didn't halt his battle to enable the forces he purports to fight one bit. Everything that's happened since is really our fault. As he says, Democrats caused the election of Trump.

He's one of a peculiar type who both identifies left and consistently attacks left. Fuck him and the bizarre and destructive hypocrisy he rides.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. "A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush."
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 09:12 AM
Sep 2018
“If they both believe in the same thing wouldn’t you want the original than the copy?” Michael Moore in 2000 openly urging Democratic voters to throw the very close election to George W. Bush.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
20. But they didn't believe in the same thing and Moore has Blood
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 09:15 AM
Sep 2018

on his.. lots of it. Him and nader.

Stupid lies and logic to go with.

ETA~Thank you for the quote, Hortensis.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
38. Bernie lost fair and square. And supedelegates played no roll, nor was there ever the possibility
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:06 AM
Sep 2018

that Bernie would win the PDs and not get the nomination. 2008 firmly established that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Outrageous bald-faced lying twist. Obama had claimed a
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:49 AM
Sep 2018

state of emergency over lead in the drinking water and on that visit (of the POTUS to a small city in Michigan!) recommended that all children be tested for lead poisoning. AND he said that with the recommended filtration systems installed (ONLY with those) the water was safe to drink.

"If you’re using a filter, if you’re installing it, then Flint water at this point is drinkable."

This is yet another example of what that political psychologist meant when he joked that the difference between right and left wing extremists is that left wingers hate themselves while right wingers hate everyone else.

Michael Moore types have this fixation on attacking inward which doesn't allow them to look out, even when the danger is severe. Their response to the Republican administration's plan to repeal Social Security and Medicare? Democrats have to replace the ACA with Medicare for All.

The Republican's plan to build detention centers to hold hundreds of thousands of immigrants, here legally as well as legally. What could go wrong? How many will die in them for lack of proper care? Their response: Democrats have to replace the ACA with Medicare for All, and Obama told parents to feed their children poison water.

We don't know yet if the Republicans will be able to have all our social programs declared unconstitutional before 2020 or how many might suffer and die in those camps if they're not stopped by the courts, but we can be assured that the screwed up Michael Moores of our world will blame whatever happens on Democrats and that they will do it right up to the 2020 general election.
.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
43. Very Well Put
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:38 AM
Sep 2018

as for the children in tents...for the over $700. a night, per, that we taxpayers are being charged for them, they could be staying at the DC Trump hotel where rooms for $427. a night are still available. Why doesn't Moore do a film about that scam?

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
44. Thank you for this info!!
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:43 AM
Sep 2018

I had a feeling that Moore was embellishing what really happened in order to fit into his "bash the Democrats" narrative. Knowing what we do about Obama, namely his pragmatism, this makes a lot more sense.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
21. I stopped paying attentiont to Maher and Moore a whole back
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 09:22 AM
Sep 2018

I will not waste money on moore’s Latest film

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
30. so obama really can walk on water???
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:43 AM
Sep 2018

obama was really really good.

but must we worship obama the same way the gop worships ronnie raygun?????

before we declare him to be a saint can we at least agree that while very good does not mean perfect?

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
33. Exactly.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:56 AM
Sep 2018

For the record I campaigned twice for President Obama. I do believe that at his core he's a decent man but that doesn't mean I agree with everything he did while in office.

The point in the film he is referencing comes after he has gone into detail about the water crisis AND the attempt to cover up test results. It also features a statement by Obama about "how as a kid he might have eaten a lead chip of paint" and "how I usually don't pull stunts like this" while pretending to drink a glass of water (twice!). The point, at least for me, was to show the betrayal felt by the citizens of Flint.



StevieM

(10,500 posts)
36. First of all, Donna Brazille said to Tucker Carlson: "you don't know what I said to the Sanders
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:04 AM
Sep 2018

and O'Malley campaigns." Of course, the media felt no need to follow up on that. It interfered with the narrative that they wanted to deliver.

Second, did it really take a genius to figure out that there would be a question about the Flint water crisis in the Michigan debate?

Third, the notion that Donna Brazille was looking out for HRC is preposterous. She even considered dumping her from the ticket after the voters had chosen her.

Fourth, I seriously doubt that the voters of Flint were disproportionately outraged by the Donna Brazille story. I think it was swing voters, and Sanders voters, who were most upset by that phony story.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
37. I saw that Thom Hartman was also a guest.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:05 AM
Sep 2018

Did he join in? I'm so over the both of them. I usually watch Maher's show, but am not going to waste my time on this week's episode. I figured it was going to turn into a huge Democratic/Obama bash-fest,and it sounds like I figured correctly. With "friends" like these, who needs enemies?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
40. Just a Different Version Of Hannity
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:29 AM
Sep 2018

dressed up in work clothes. Why doesn't he do a film about Flint's water crisis?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. Obama is more popular than ever at this point
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:37 AM
Sep 2018

as a former POTUS. Michael is really stupid. It sounds like he is a Bernie-bro who still can't get over it two years later.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
52. Y'know, it is possible for two things to be true at once:
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 05:36 PM
Sep 2018

a man can be the best president of our lifetimes, and make mistakes.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
55. Continually amazed
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 05:45 PM
Sep 2018

That the most active threads here are so often dedicated to “bad” progressives. I get it, but another “fuck you” is not particularly thought provoking.

But hey, carry on.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
57. F*ck Michael Moore
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 05:52 PM
Sep 2018

He can stick this up his useless ass.

This is the "both parties are the same" asshole that put W in power

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