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madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:32 AM Sep 2018

Ronan Farrow on CNN now is laying it out.

Deborah Ramirez's account corroborated by Yale classmates who heard about the incident immediately after it happened. Farrow and Mayer spoke with classmates who independently discussed the same fact pattern with Farrow given by Ms. Ramirez. There is an email chain of Yale alumni talking about the incident prior to Dr. Blasey Ford coming forward.

He said that the corroboration of Ms. Ramirez's allegation is a very high bar that is rarely meet.

He also said there are other things that they left out.

Farrow also says there was a "wide group" of people in Washington, both democratic and republican staffers, who knew of these allegations last week.


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Ronan Farrow on CNN now is laying it out. (Original Post) madaboutharry Sep 2018 OP
Damn! I am watching 'Morning Joe' so I missed him. I hope video comes soon. PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #1
Ronan, et al, will be everywhere today. empedocles Sep 2018 #3
Morning Joe was stuck on the poor NYT version JCMach1 Sep 2018 #21
'"wide group" ... who knew of these allegations last week' Jarqui Sep 2018 #2
While the Dems spent mercuryblues Sep 2018 #10
Yep and the GOP's poor conduct certainly doesn't surprise Jarqui Sep 2018 #15
GOP conduct does not surprise me apkhgp Sep 2018 #57
Further proof to the voters that the Greedy Old Perverts love their perverts. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #19
Indeed. Just grab 'em by the pussy ... Jarqui Sep 2018 #22
No, they don't care about women being abused, they need Kav to cover up Trump AND their own treason DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #59
This pisses me off to no end....I'm hoppin' mad...so mad I can't see straight. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #23
GOPers are claiming that they were side whacked Iliyah Sep 2018 #4
Except that they knew well in advance. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #20
If they were "side whacked" by the alligations it proves they don't do homework Merlot Sep 2018 #34
So repubes have been lying and hiding their heinous shit. Again. Achilleaze Sep 2018 #5
Visual: Donkees Sep 2018 #6
From my perspective: DemoTex Sep 2018 #8
Way to plow through, McConnell forgotmylogin Sep 2018 #18
My first good laugh of the day jmbar2 Sep 2018 #30
Oof, yeah, glad that driver appears to have escaped major injury. forgotmylogin Sep 2018 #35
The boss will probably make him clean it all up by himself lunatica Sep 2018 #45
Is that the Women for Kavanaugh bus? hee hee durablend Sep 2018 #25
It met a dump truck this morning ... Donkees Sep 2018 #26
Yeah but what does Michael Schmidt have to say? watoos Sep 2018 #7
Just to be clear: madaboutharry Sep 2018 #9
Sorry, I should have been clearer in my post. watoos Sep 2018 #13
Ok, I understand now what you meant. madaboutharry Sep 2018 #16
Schmidt also pushed the lie that Eyeball_Kid Sep 2018 #33
He and Haberman appear to be trumpist moles at the NYT. Always out with trump-favoring stories. brush Sep 2018 #43
Agreed. dem4decades Sep 2018 #44
K&R mcar Sep 2018 #11
In Those times DownriverDem Sep 2018 #12
I grew up in the 60's watoos Sep 2018 #14
I tried grain alcohol at a party, too. LisaM Sep 2018 #50
thanks for posting that Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #51
No, you weren't weirdos. LisaM Sep 2018 #60
I keep seeing this term "grain alcohol"... druidity33 Sep 2018 #55
who knew of these allegations last week... New Hampshire Man Sep 2018 #17
The last pgh is important because McC and Grassley are spooky3 Sep 2018 #24
You know it. This, last night after all creation broke: appalachiablue Sep 2018 #28
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #27
The GOP has been planning and preparing for this opportunity to seat a corrupt right wing hack Nitram Sep 2018 #29
...and he got some big money support to cover up his debts jmbar2 Sep 2018 #31
Oh, there is a lot of money behind the vast right wing conspiracy. Billions. The Kochs are just the Nitram Sep 2018 #32
That's very clear. I just hope that someone can uncover the source jmbar2 Sep 2018 #38
This is the subject of my weekly column WhiteTara Sep 2018 #41
Yes! I've just finished this book myself FakeNoose Sep 2018 #46
"Virginia Economics" - is that another word for Plantation Economics? haele Sep 2018 #49
appalchiablue posted a video of Nancy MacLean's appearance at Harvard Law School PA Democrat Sep 2018 #52
Thank you. I've started watching WhiteTara Sep 2018 #58
Darn I missed it! samplegirl Sep 2018 #36
Rapey Brett may actually be going down Still In Wisconsin Sep 2018 #37
Couldn't have said it better myself proglib217 Sep 2018 #40
Yes, some pretty good rants appear here WhiteTara Sep 2018 #42
Kick dalton99a Sep 2018 #39
Sleazy Kavanaugh is an exhibitionist Politicub Sep 2018 #47
And the emails in question? concreteblue Sep 2018 #48
WTF is going on at the NYT? ecstatic Sep 2018 #53
Deborah Ramirez is the woman's name. madaboutharry Sep 2018 #54
Ronan Farrow is very, very bright ailsagirl Sep 2018 #56

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
1. Damn! I am watching 'Morning Joe' so I missed him. I hope video comes soon.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:41 AM
Sep 2018

The news is coming so fast and furious my head is spinning!

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
2. '"wide group" ... who knew of these allegations last week'
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:43 AM
Sep 2018

which is why the GOP tried to rush Ford's testimony ...

They knew of the allegations and wanted Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court anyway.

mercuryblues

(14,522 posts)
10. While the Dems spent
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 08:22 AM
Sep 2018

their time investigating these claims, before they were made public, the repukes were trying to ram kavanrape's nomination through. Coming up with ways to smear this victim and trying to silence Dr. Ford.

apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
57. GOP conduct does not surprise me
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 08:11 PM
Sep 2018

I would have to say that when you stoop to the level of putting a con artist and fraud into the most important office in our land then there is not much worse that you could do to surprise me.


DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
59. No, they don't care about women being abused, they need Kav to cover up Trump AND their own treason
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:03 AM
Sep 2018

Nothing else matters to these desperate men. Why the untainted GOP members aren't bailing on the traitors is beyond me — unless every last one of them took money from the Russian criminal cartel.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. This pisses me off to no end....I'm hoppin' mad...so mad I can't see straight.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 09:26 AM
Sep 2018

The idea that these elite white men all rallied 'round this molester, even though they KNEW about all this last week and kept it secret....I'm so mad....and at the same time saddened to know that things are this way. Just like it was 100 years ago.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
4. GOPers are claiming that they were side whacked
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:52 AM
Sep 2018

with the latest allegations.

I'm pretty sure there is more information, but alas, GOPers won't release the other 1,000 pages of documents.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
34. If they were "side whacked" by the alligations it proves they don't do homework
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:23 AM
Sep 2018

but my guess is they knew it all along, anotherr reason for the rush to confirm.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. So repubes have been lying and hiding their heinous shit. Again.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:55 AM
Sep 2018

repubes piss all over the concepts of truth, integrity and honor.

forgotmylogin

(7,520 posts)
35. Oof, yeah, glad that driver appears to have escaped major injury.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:23 AM
Sep 2018

I bet he doesn't work there anymore though!

Those looked like bags of cement or soil or fertilizer on the shelves.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
7. Yeah but what does Michael Schmidt have to say?
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 08:05 AM
Sep 2018

The NY Times gets to be the arbiter of the truth here. (sarcasm)

There needs to be a push for an FBI investigation, not investigations by news outlets.

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
9. Just to be clear:
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 08:18 AM
Sep 2018

Ronan Farrow works for The New Yorker magazine not the New York Times. Farrow also just won a Pulitzer Prize and has a reputation as a meticulous journalist.

The FBI needs to investigate all of the allegations.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
13. Sorry, I should have been clearer in my post.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 08:42 AM
Sep 2018

I was complaining about Michael Schmidt using Republican talking points to defend Kavanaugh.

I was not bashing Farrow, I was bashing people who have a platform, like Schmidt, to bash the victim.

The FBI, not Ghouliani's people, need to investigate Kavanaugh and Judge, and that needs to be narrative we push for.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
33. Schmidt also pushed the lie that
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:16 AM
Sep 2018

Mueller or his team wrote the “44 questions” presumably to ask Trumpy if/when he gets interviewed. In truth, it was the White House lawyers who created the questions and led Schmidt to believe that it was Mueller’s team.

brush

(53,743 posts)
43. He and Haberman appear to be trumpist moles at the NYT. Always out with trump-favoring stories.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:21 AM
Sep 2018

This Rosenstein/25th Amendment story is out just in time to distract from the Kavanaugh debacle and at the same time give trump reason to fired Rosenstein and then Muellar.

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
12. In Those times
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 08:36 AM
Sep 2018

folks were taking pills and drinking. kavanaugh and his buddies were giving women drugs (in their drinks?) and then setting them up for a male free for all. Clearly they never thought anyone would know about those days.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. I grew up in the 60's
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 08:45 AM
Sep 2018

and I tried grain alcohol one time, one sip. I would never ever think about spiking anyone's drink with that stuff. Anyone who would do that was certainly up to no good.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
50. I tried grain alcohol at a party, too.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:56 PM
Sep 2018

Hit me like a freight train, and I basically fell asleep, instantly, for the night. Guess what? My guy friend and his friends who were having the party didn't use it as an excuse to molest me. They attended to me, put me in a car with my ride, and I got home safely (and never touched grain alcohol again!) and woke up in my own apartment a few hours later.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,254 posts)
51. thanks for posting that
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:28 PM
Sep 2018

I was beginning to think my buddies and I were weirdos. Anybody, male or female, who over-indulged had to be taken care of, *not* assaulted.

There's a word for those who induce impaired judgment for the purpose of assault: predator.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
60. No, you weren't weirdos.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:18 AM
Sep 2018

Just decent people. Can you imagine if every time a guy passed out at a party he woke up to find other people sexually assaulting him?

druidity33

(6,445 posts)
55. I keep seeing this term "grain alcohol"...
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:56 PM
Sep 2018

and i of course think 'shine. No one should ever drink 'shine or "grain alcohol" straight... not many people would even be able to. It's meant to cut or mixed with something... and the percentage of alcohol to mixer can be critical/lethal. It can good in punch/juice/soda/whatever or more commonly for extracting vanilla/cacao/cardamom/spices. Check out the Swedish drink Glug (don't know how to trigger the umlaut) It's a preservative too. It kills all organisms it comes in contact with... if that's not a signal, not sure what is. Using 'shine on people unknowingly is basically like roofies before they became available to serial rapists and abusers. The shit will knock you on your ass. It can make you REALLY sick. Like poison you if you have too much. No one should EVER feed someone grain alcohol without telling them the risks.

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
24. The last pgh is important because McC and Grassley are
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 09:32 AM
Sep 2018

lying about this and trying to accuse Dems of not informing them.

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
28. You know it. This, last night after all creation broke:
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 09:52 AM
Sep 2018

- The Hill, "Grassley: Dems 'withheld information' on new Kavanaugh allegation,"- Sept. 23, 18. A spokesperson for Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) on Sunday night said the panel will "attempt to evaluate" new allegations of sexual assault regarding Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

>The spokesperson in a statement slammed Democrats for "withholding information" regarding the allegations.
>"Yet again, Senate Democrats actively withheld information from the rest of the Committee only to drop information at politically opportune moments," the statement said, doubling down on his remarks that Democrats withheld the first allegation against Kavanaugh from Christine Blasey Ford, who went public last week.

The spokesperson said the Democrats appear to be "more interested in a political takedown" than "pursuing allegations through a bipartisan and professional" investigation. "Of course, we will attempt to evaluate these new claims,"..https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/grassley-dems-withheld-information-on-new-kavanaugh-allegation/ar-AAAyFBR

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
29. The GOP has been planning and preparing for this opportunity to seat a corrupt right wing hack
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 09:59 AM
Sep 2018

on the court. Kavanaugh earned his stripes during the investigation of Bill Clinton when he helped Ken Starr prepare his perjury trap by leaking information to Starr's committee. He gained more right wing credibility and dirty tricks experience during the Bush administration. He was groomed for this post, and the Rethugs want it so much they can taste it.

jmbar2

(4,863 posts)
31. ...and he got some big money support to cover up his debts
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:10 AM
Sep 2018

I am puzzled why his finances haven't been examined yet. Something is very hinky there.

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
32. Oh, there is a lot of money behind the vast right wing conspiracy. Billions. The Kochs are just the
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:14 AM
Sep 2018

tip of the iceberg. Corporate money is the biggest source.

jmbar2

(4,863 posts)
38. That's very clear. I just hope that someone can uncover the source
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:35 AM
Sep 2018

...or at least make an issue of it in this nomination.

This guy is corrupt to the bone, but also a smart ideologue willing to carry water for the Kochs, the xtian dominionists, and the international mob. This needs to be the new litmus test - is the friggin nominee corrupt or not.

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
41. This is the subject of my weekly column
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:07 AM
Sep 2018

I'll post after publication.

The "man" behind the Koch economic theory/practice is James Buchanan. He was very obscure but his methodoligies founded George Mason University and his economic theory is called "Virginia Economics" -- he started at Virginia university, but the Kochs bought him his own college.

Nancy MacLean has a book called Democracy in Chains that I just reserved at the library; it is devastating.

FakeNoose

(32,581 posts)
46. Yes! I've just finished this book myself
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:34 PM
Sep 2018

I found it riveting and terrifying at the same time.

So far I've found no evidence that links Kavanaugh to the group at George Mason U. though. It seems that BK has always been a toady and political hack who would do whatever he was asked, including a lot of dirty tricks. But right-wing ideology (libertarian economics) doesn't seem to be his thing.

I could be wrong though. He's clearly not SCOTUS bench material.



haele

(12,640 posts)
49. "Virginia Economics" - is that another word for Plantation Economics?
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:18 PM
Sep 2018

Plantation Economies are very fragile, and require callous indifference and brutality from the top to be able to squeeze out profits for more than a generation.
Yes, in a plantation economy, "the elite" controls extensive tracts of land and properties, but without an equitable division of labor and resources, the work force necessary to sustain those lands and properties leaves for better employers unless they're forced to stay.

As it is, Plantation economies are basically oligarchies - Mafia without the violence between the gangs to control territory. The civilians who live and work under the fist of the Mafia suffer with little to no recourse, while the bosses rake in all the money.

Haele

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
58. Thank you. I've started watching
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 11:22 PM
Sep 2018

and am bookmarking for finishing tomorrow. I ordered the book from the library.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
37. Rapey Brett may actually be going down
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:31 AM
Sep 2018

I hope he not only is never placed on SCOTUS, but additionally gets removed from the bench and is disbarred. I hope his life is destroyed. I hope he goes to prison, and if he doesn’t I want him to be harassed, hounded, and denied service wherever he goes. Fuck you Rapey Brett, sideways.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
47. Sleazy Kavanaugh is an exhibitionist
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:42 PM
Sep 2018

And an alleged perpetrator of sexual assault.

Predators like him do not act only once. There are usually a series of victims.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
53. WTF is going on at the NYT?
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:40 PM
Sep 2018

They decided to add their 2 cents into Michelle Ramirez's story, and once again, they're doing trump's bidding. Have Russians bought the majority stock or something?

ailsagirl

(22,885 posts)
56. Ronan Farrow is very, very bright
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 06:08 PM
Sep 2018

I'm happy he's very much involved with what's going on!!

Mia must be so proud

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