Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:07 AM Sep 2018

What Kav and his boys did to Renate Schroeder was a shame

Washington (CNN)A woman who signed a letter supporting Brett Kavanaugh after he was accused of sexual assault earlier this month called revelations from his high school yearbook that showed he and his friends reportedly boasted about their supposed conquests with her "hurtful," The New York Times reported Monday.

Renate Schroeder Dolphin joined 64 other women this month who signed a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying they knew the Supreme Court nominee during their high school years and that "he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect."
However, Kavanaugh included "Renate Alumnius" as an entry in his high school yearbook page, and two of Kavanaugh's classmates told the Times the mentions of "Renate" were part of the high school football players' unsubstantiated boasting about their conquests.
When Dolphin, who attended a nearby Catholic girls' school and was then known as Renate Schroeder, signed the September 14 letter, the Times reports, she wasn't aware of the "Renate" yearbook references about herself on the pages of Kavanaugh and his football teammates.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics/new-york-times-kavanaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook/index.html

37 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
What Kav and his boys did to Renate Schroeder was a shame (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 OP
Isn't getting the letter signed by 65 women Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #1
Do you think they laughed when they saw her signature on the letter? Cracklin Charlie Sep 2018 #3
They implied she was an easy lay and memorialized it in their yearbook (SIGH) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 #6
That is exactly what they did. Blue_true Sep 2018 #28
Yes, I do think they did obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #17
And from what I understand, repubs had those letters ready to go beforehand. pangaia Sep 2018 #10
The inclusion of disrespectful references to girls madaboutharry Sep 2018 #2
"republican family values" are a stinking cesspool of degeneracy Achilleaze Sep 2018 #4
The attacks on this young lady were horrible Gothmog Sep 2018 #5
Who the hell was their yearbook editor? DesertRat Sep 2018 #29
Wow bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #7
I understand she denies kissing him too. Nt BootinUp Sep 2018 #8
IMHO, she had this coming RainCaster Sep 2018 #9
She also may have been bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #11
I hold her in mercuryblues Sep 2018 #36
I don't know how I feel, but ... aggiesal Sep 2018 #12
To your last question. Blue_true Sep 2018 #31
The yearbook stuff didn't come out until after the Letter of Amazing Coincidence was published gratuitous Sep 2018 #13
If you look at the post above, this quote is there BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #15
She signed that letter knowing, at least, that Kavanaugh was among a group... More_Cowbell Sep 2018 #16
Yup BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #20
I fault the media for not emphasizing that this was rampant "underage drinking" on campus BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #14
Spot on about how the media treats the very same conduct differently. Blue_true Sep 2018 #33
What I don't understand: How did ANY of this get into a yearbook? Grins Sep 2018 #18
Oh, but their boys could do no wrong. Still virgins (supposedly) question everything Sep 2018 #21
I got the impression that it's all hand-written stuff FakeNoose Sep 2018 #22
it wasn't - it was printed in the yearbook ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #23
Can you imagine what might be in Kavanaugh's copy of the yearbook!? hexola Sep 2018 #24
just imagine ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #25
I wonder if the FBI could request his copy? hexola Sep 2018 #26
Someone who saved all his calendars would certainly still have his yearbook meadowlander Sep 2018 #32
If asked mercuryblues Sep 2018 #37
Date rape drugs are powerful! czarjak Sep 2018 #19
He dares to say mainstreetonce Sep 2018 #27
Cowards off they did, cowards if they didn't. grantcart Sep 2018 #30
Calling them "monsters" is an understatement. Initech Sep 2018 #34
Wow, what a lot of "Progressive" victim-blaming going on in this thread. I'm kind of disgusted. Hekate Sep 2018 #35
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
1. Isn't getting the letter signed by 65 women
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:16 AM
Sep 2018

Preemptively imply guilt by itself? Sign of a guilty conscience.

Poor Renate. How humiliating.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
3. Do you think they laughed when they saw her signature on the letter?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:50 AM
Sep 2018

These guys are so gross. They give you 1000 different ways to dislike them.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. They implied she was an easy lay and memorialized it in their yearbook (SIGH)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:29 AM
Sep 2018

I was far from perfect or sheltered but even as a high school student I knew that casual misogyny was messed up.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. That is exactly what they did.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:57 PM
Sep 2018

In high school, even though I was an academic nerd, I knew about the girls that had the reputations for being easy lays. The stuff about them could have been all lies, but how could I tell.

madaboutharry

(40,204 posts)
2. The inclusion of disrespectful references to girls
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:40 AM
Sep 2018

is a good indication that Kavanaugh does not have respect for girls and women.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
4. "republican family values" are a stinking cesspool of degeneracy
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:59 AM
Sep 2018

How dare they posture themselves as somehow "morally superior" when they submissively & and degenerately follow the lead of Dirty Donny* their republican "family values" roles model.


* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
29. Who the hell was their yearbook editor?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:59 PM
Sep 2018

My high school didn’t allow this disgusting crap to be printed. The culture at Georgetown Prep must have been very friendly to this kind of misogyny.

Check out the quote on Kavanaugh's friend's yearbook page: “Certain women should be struck regularly, like gongs.”

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
7. Wow
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:45 AM
Sep 2018

She was a fetish in Conservative Schools. So either they were pervy, or something was actually going on. Yes, I could see why she would be quite perturbed by such reference.

RainCaster

(10,864 posts)
9. IMHO, she had this coming
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:51 AM
Sep 2018

30 years later, she stuck her neck out for a Republican POS that she undoubtedly knew was a POS because a tiger never changes its stripes. Now she gets to bare the shame of standing up for such a slimeball. Yes, if she was my daughter I'd be pissed, but she's not, so I just smile.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
11. She also may have been
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:56 AM
Sep 2018

in denial when she signed the letter, or approached by others she knew and went along with it, and was simply demure in her acceptance. She may have known but she may not have known, or been dimly aware. Her true inner workings on this matter likely will never be known to the public.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
36. I hold her in
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:56 PM
Sep 2018

slightly less contempt than others. I get the vibe that she knew, but as long as it was about other females, she didn't care.


After she stood up for him, she found out kav & Co. included her in their slut naming/shaming fest and she found her moral backbone.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
12. I don't know how I feel, but ...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:12 AM
Sep 2018

after reading this paragraph,

Michael Walsh, another student at Georgetown Prep, also wrote "Renate Alumnus" on his yearbook page, the Times reports. He also included a short poem, "You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate."


and this paragraph,
Dolphin was aware Kavanaugh's friends were reciting that poem, a person familiar with her thinking told the Times. She reportedly told the football players that she found it offensive and asked them to stop.


It's hard for me to understand why Renate Schroeder Dolphin would have signed a letter
stating, "he (Kavanaugh-ty) has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.",
when she knew just the opposite.

Can anyone explain that?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. To your last question.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:08 PM
Sep 2018

She was either blinded by her own rightwing persona, or she got born again into delusion. Either way, she seems to have made herself a victim, sort of hard to feel for her.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. The yearbook stuff didn't come out until after the Letter of Amazing Coincidence was published
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:16 AM
Sep 2018

So it's entirely possible that Ms. Dolphin had no idea that she was the sniggering punchline for a bunch of snotty prep school boys.* She may have signed the letter as a defender of her tribe. Because her statement about the Renate Alumni ends with a dismissive "that's all I'm gonna say," I tend to think that's the case; she doesn't want to get back into the elite high school mentality.

*On the other hand, she may have been fully aware of it because she was a very promiscuous high schooler who never thought her past would catch up to her in quite such a public way.

BumRushDaShow

(128,801 posts)
15. If you look at the post above, this quote is there
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:22 AM
Sep 2018
Dolphin was aware Kavanaugh's friends were reciting that poem, a person familiar with her thinking told the Times. She reportedly told the football players that she found it offensive and asked them to stop.


So she knew FULL well.

IMHO, and obviously I may be wrong too, but I expect some of this from her and the others, may have been more of the school of thought of - "Hey, wow. I know a (future) Supreme Court Justice. Isn't that cool?". It would be a great bragging point to other friends, work colleagues, and their neighbors.

More_Cowbell

(2,190 posts)
16. She signed that letter knowing, at least, that Kavanaugh was among a group...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:40 AM
Sep 2018

Of ringleader students who bragged about sexual conquests, real or imagined, to the point of memorializing it in a yearbook that everyone saw. You'd think that that alone would have made her hesitate to sign.

BumRushDaShow

(128,801 posts)
20. Yup
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:00 PM
Sep 2018

which is why I speculated that it may have partly been done for future bragging purposes, assuming none of the most egregious behavior would be outed and ridiculed and the confirmation outcome would pretty much be a success.

BumRushDaShow

(128,801 posts)
14. I fault the media for not emphasizing that this was rampant "underage drinking" on campus
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:17 AM
Sep 2018

If it had been anyone else, they would have called it that and underscored that it was "illegal". For the types of things they apparently did, when blacks did such, it was called "wilding" and the media made sure they were drowning the readers/viewers/listeners in that term. But when it's white boys, it's called "youthful indiscretions".

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. Spot on about how the media treats the very same conduct differently.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:16 PM
Sep 2018

Depending on the race of miscreants. If a Black teen routinely got passout drunk, he would have a record a foot long and would not have a prayer of getting into Yale, or even into a welding school.

Grins

(7,205 posts)
18. What I don't understand: How did ANY of this get into a yearbook?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:55 AM
Sep 2018

I went to a public high school (and a Jesuit university after) and I KNOW that the faculty yearbook advisers and the school administrators scoured the pre-print of the entire book before it went to the printers.

Not know what "FFFFFFFourth of July" meant? - they'd ask. And when they found out, the yearbook editor and every person associated with that term would be standing tall in front of the Principle. Grilled, reamed, and their parent's notified.

"Keg City Club"? "100 Kegs or Bust"? The merest hint of alcohol in any form? Same! And demand to know every member of that "club". And grill them, too.

"Boofing”? The “Devil’s Triangle”? If they didn't know what those terms meant - they'd sure as hell ask and find out before it ever went to print.

I also remember when those books were handed out at the end of the year the faculty would tell the student body to watch out what they write in those books because that will follow you for years and you never know who is going to see them. (Boy, were they ever right on that one!) The rule: Don't write anything you wouldn't want your mother to read.

And if you got caught with that yearbook when you should have been doing something else, they would confiscate your yearbook and deliver it to the Principal or Assistant Principal - who would read it! Page by page; every word before you got it back. You write something stew-pud in someone else's book, both would be in front of the Principal.

So where was the Georgetown Prep faculty and administration? How did this shit ever get to print?




question everything

(47,465 posts)
21. Oh, but their boys could do no wrong. Still virgins (supposedly)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:02 PM
Sep 2018

some ready to become priests for forbidden desires and, either way: "what happened there stayed there."



FakeNoose

(32,626 posts)
22. I got the impression that it's all hand-written stuff
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:07 PM
Sep 2018

... like when seniors sign each other's year books and write things like "Stay as cool as you are!" and "Remember all the great times."

But these guys were particularly mean (and pervy) so they wrote things that would come back to haunt them years later.

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
23. it wasn't - it was printed in the yearbook
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:39 PM
Sep 2018

for everyone to read. You can find images of it floating around the webs.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
24. Can you imagine what might be in Kavanaugh's copy of the yearbook!?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:45 PM
Sep 2018

Love to see what his buddies wrote in his book!

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
25. just imagine
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:50 PM
Sep 2018

Unless, maybe his friends congratulated him on remaining a virgin all through high school, and how great it was to have such a chaste friend.



ha ha ha

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
37. If asked
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:02 PM
Sep 2018

Kavanaugh will say he Can't find it, and pull out his calendar from 1983 to prove he wasn't at that party.

Hekate

(90,637 posts)
35. Wow, what a lot of "Progressive" victim-blaming going on in this thread. I'm kind of disgusted.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:49 PM
Sep 2018

I remember some sniggering among my male friends our senior year. I Was so innocent I missed half of what was said, but I sure got what was implied and it pissed me off royally. "She did this all by herself?!" I demanded to know.

What the hell is wrong with those blaming Renate for what a bunch of pimply dirty-minded boys put in their year books? Really? That school sounds like Lord of the Flies with blazers and high tuition.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»What Kav and his boys did...