Must be fun at dinner in the Kavanaugh home

[PJMcK]

Poor little Brett has to sit with his wife and two teenaged daughters. The females know what has been alleged against Brett. They must wonder, "Could it be true?"

Image the awkwardness of the two girls when they go to school and all of their friends know that their father was a drunken gang banger! How strange it must be for Mrs. Kavanaugh when she lunches with her society friends knowing what they know about her husband!

Despite McConnell's best efforts, more is going to come out. Kavanaugh is an ass to put his family through this. The Republicans were asses to put this nominee up.

I'll stand by my earlier bet: Kavanaugh will be gone by Thursday.

[elleng]

1. Awful for his family.

[PJMcK]

4. Terrible

I imagine Kavanaugh has had several family meetings to explain himself.

Still, it's a terrible ordeal to put the women in his life through.

Kavanaugh is a jerk.

[avebury]

14. I only feel sorry for his daughers.

His wife is an adult and most likely knew exactly what she was getting into. If he was a mean drunk as a teenager he is probably a mean drunk and she most likely figured that out before the children came along. Her primary responsibility should be the welfare of her children not providing cover for this scum bag.

If, by any chance, she is not in a safe environment at home, this would be the perfect time to get both herself and her children out of there. The eyes of the country are on Kavanaugh and he is in not in any position to retaliate against her at this time.

[elleng]

16. Don't assume such, and don't assume it's easy for her and the daughters to get out.

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It's not; I have personal experience.

[LandOfHopeAndDreams]

21. Did You Go On National TV And Defend Your Abuser? nt

[PJMcK]

53. That's quite harsh

elleng revealed a bit of very sensitive personal information.

Your response was insensitive.

I didn't read elleng's post as supporting Mrs. Kavanaugh in any way. All elleng wrote was that the practicalities of leaving a dangerous domestic circumstance are complicated and expensive.

Have a heart, dude.

[avebury]

38. Of course it would be hard, but there will never be a time

when it would be safer for her to take her daughters and leave him if conditions are not safe at home. Everybody is watching him and he would be in no poisition to take any action against her because everyone is watching him.

It is just like Melania will never be a stronger position with Trump then while he is President.

If homelife is nasty, Kavanaugh's wife could have immediately obtained an attorney to negotiate divorce terms as soon as he was nominated. She could tell him I will play the dutiful wife long enough to get you on the bench and then the girls and I are out of here. He would have had no bargaining position.

[elleng]

42. Not merely a matter of safety,

huge logistical issues usually exist.

[ChubbyStar]

51. Logistical issues?

That sounds like claptrap. If a woman wants to leave and she has the money to do so, she can go. The kids, their school, the lifestyle might be altered but it can be done. I did it. Logistics is bullshit.

[elleng]

55. You apparently are not familiar with things like:

Where does a wife go? When? Discuss with children? Take them with? Provide for their day to day transportation?

Pay mortgage

Take a car

This is NOT bull shit.

[ChubbyStar]

56. I said in my post that I did it. LEFT.

Did you miss that?

[elleng]

57. So did I.

[ChubbyStar]

59. Then why the questions

She has money to leave. She will tell her children the truth. She deals with the other bits later. Perhaps there will be some insecurity and confusion, always a possibility with change. She is in a position to move on.

[marylandblue]

60. My mother was in this situation and I don't judge her for not leaving

She did the best she could do at the time.

[ChubbyStar]

61. Sorry for that situation

Poor folks are trapped, they can't move at all. People with money who don't move on are on a lonely road.

[Blue_true]

43. Her situation is different from yours.

She has an instant national platform and several ways to ditch his ass. Unless your family was rich, you likely had no support outside of a few true friends and counsellors. Could she be afraid of uncertainty, that is likely possible.

[gratuitous]

18. It absolutely is

And the sole author of their misery is the paterfamilias. I don't know if Kavanaugh thought the past would never catch up with him or if he could brazen it out because well-connected white guys almost always get away with it. Maybe he has a broken brain and doesn't have the ability to see any wrongdoing in himself. Whatever it is, he's causing untold misery for his family with no end in sight.

[marlakay]

2. Positive they have been told its a big bad democrat smear

against their sweet daddy. Its all lies. And then they turn on Fox and say see, they all say so!

[PJMcK]

6. Don't you think the daughters know it could be true?

Young people today are mostly very astute about the culture they live in. Kavanaugh's behavior is on every porn site on the internet. The daughters know a lot more than we may think.

As far as his wife is concerned, screw her. She knows the man she's married to.

[marlakay]

9. Depends on how brain washed they are into Fox

and far right religion. And no one wants to believe their dad would do such a thing. I am sure they have been told FBI did a thorough check on him they would have found something.

On the other hand if either of those kids is snoopy like me I would sneak onto dads computer and see what he looks at and if I found porn or emails sent to friends asking them to lie....and they could sneak up while he is on phone calls and listen. So who knows what they know or not?

[PJMcK]

15. Teenagers can be very smart about their environments

Snoopiness comes with the territory, if I recall my own youth from too many decades ago!

It's kind of like believing in Santa Claus: kids will keep the scam going for a couple of years after they learn the truth because they want more presents. Kavanaugh's daughters probably sense that something is "off" with their old man, they just don't admit it to their parents. Maybe they talk with one another?

Ah, nuts. Who knows?

[cwydro]

26. They're 10 and 13.

Yeah, no doubt they discuss “boofing” and “renate alumnus” - sure they do.

[PJMcK]

29. My mistake

I thought they were 12 and 15.

[DangerousRhythm]

50. A similar situation happened to me when I was 12.

12 year olds know. Even 10 year olds know. They're not too young to know what's going on and what the rumors are unless they're extremely sheltered.

[Blue_true]

45. 13 and 10 is still a little young.

I honestly didn't begin to notice girls in a romantic way until I was 14 or 15. I don't remember the girls that I went to school with being that sophisticated about life at 10 or 13. The 13 year old is on the hairy edge, but my experiences at that age say that she is still a bit young.

[PJMcK]

46. Yeah, for some reason, I thought they were older (n/t)

[joshcryer]

54. Kids their age in that household environment will be very thought restricted.

They will genuinely and sincerely believe their dad can do no wrong and that anything that is said bad about him is the devils work, quite literally. The parents will have sat down with them and given them "the talk" about how evil outside influences exist to harm their dads image.

They will almost certainly not have any realization to any extent about their father until later on in life. Only one will hope that they don't have to endure the same kinds of treatment their father perpetuated, because there will be guys who specifically prey on them knowing that if it ever got out that it would reveal a hypocrisy, and that they know the girls would be more likely to keep it secret.

Then again they could go the Bristol Palin route and become millionaires by being impregnated teens.

[MontanaMama]

3. I feel for his family....

If it came to light that my spouse had committed these violent acts - even decades earlier - I'm not sure I could get past it.

[PJMcK]

7. Exactly!

That's why he's an ass. He knows his past but his ego-driven ambition-- coupled with his lifetime of privilege-- has caused him to expose his family to a terrible public experience.

He's a schmuck.

[LandOfHopeAndDreams]

22. She'll Look In Her Wallet & Get Over It

It's worked wonders for Melanie.

[Kajun Gal]

5. It's very sad. And then also think about the parents of the girls he coaches...

This man is a sicko.

[iamateacher]

8. They probably believe he is being wrongfully accused

But somewhere, in the future, at least one of them will realize the truth.
He should have resigned at the first accusation. This will destroy his family.

[elleng]

10. Yes, if he's a lying sociopath he's denied to them,

and they believe him.

[PJMcK]

11. "This will destroy his family."

Yeah, collateral damage, you know? I don't mean to be callous but the alternative of Kavanaugh on the Bench is unacceptable.

He's not much of a family man or husband if he didn't shield them from this shit show. He knows his past and he should have known from everything that has happened culturally in the past 25 years that his past would come to light.

If it destroys his family, that's his responsibility.

He's an idiot.

[iamateacher]

27. It is entirely his responsibility, I agree

If he valued them, he would have withdrawn and resigned. But his ego is such that he is willing to put them through hell. And the hell will last for years.
That says something.

[ooky]

25. Yes, I believe

he will rue the day he agreed to be Donald Trump's Supreme Court shill. But as has been said, and observed, everything Trump touches dies.

[LiberalFighter]

12. Someone was indicating he IS a drunk.

If that is the case, the wife and daughters know he is lying.

[avebury]

17. If he is still a mean drunk, his wife will never have a better chance

to get both herself and her children away from her as this time. I can't even imagine what is going on in that house at night and I wonder if he is taking out any of it on his wife.

[LiberalFighter]

19. If there is any indication we might see it Thursday.

[dawnie51]

13. A holes who do this kind of crap....

never think their come uppence will arrive. And for most of them it doesn't. So they continue to live out their little fantasy lives, and the unfortunates in their orbit get smacked around, i.e. their kids, spouses, parents, etc. Because how could they have forseen such horrible things happening to them?

[cwydro]

20. I think they're 10 and 13. Hardly "teenaged."

Very young girls, and we should leave them alone.

I find it heartbreaking. I remember being both those ages, and how badly it would have hurt me to see my father attacked.

[LandOfHopeAndDreams]

24. They're Groomed, And Would Likely Defend Daddy

Leave them alone, nothing wrong with that. But they're going to grow up to be just like Mom, and learn what her role is.

[cwydro]

28. Yeah, just as we all grew up to be just like our parents, right?

[iamateacher]

30. Thank you for this post

I was going to say the same thing.

[john657]

58. What utter bullshit.

Both of my parents were ultra conservative, we grew up in a very conservative household, yet myself and most of my siblings are moderate to ultra liberal.

[PJMcK]

33. My error

As I wrote above, I thought they were older.

One point, though. I'm not bringing the Kavanaugh girls into this shit show. Their father is the one in the spotlight. In time, they will get to know what kind of man is their father.

[OliverQ]

23. McConnell said today he will be confirmed.

They're telling Republicans to stay in Washington for a vote this weekend.

I don't think he'll be gone by Thursday.

[underpants]

32. I never doubted he would be confirmed

They aren't going to let this opportunity pass. This guy is an operative they can insert into the Court for 30 years. They've never had this opportunity before and there is no way they will let it pass. Anyone who defects better be ready to retire and get almost nothing done until they leave.

[Solly Mack]

31. I know the families of men like Kavanaugh and many of them are in denial.

Point blank refuse to even entertain the idea of their husband/father being a sexual predator.

Some of the wives you could tell did believe it - to a point. Yes, he did something bad but it's the woman's fault.

A few knew in their heart it was true but for whatever reasons stayed and supported their sexual predator.

A lot of the time, depending on the age of the children, the parents worked to keep them away from too much information.

I worked with abused children and some, not all, still cling to the hope that their abusive parent loves them - buried deep down, but loves them. They can be fiercely protective of that hope. So much so they can tell you how they were abused but you can't say anything negative about their parent. Because, to them, he/she might be a monster but that monster is still their daddy/mommy - and they still hope.

Some of the children of the men who I know are sexual predators behaved in the same way. They weren't being abused in the usual sense - but that monster who sexually assaulted someone else is still their father. I find it abusive for a child to be reared in such a home. Which is why I said, "the usual sense". They weren't being sexually assaulted by their parent but they were having to defend that parent or wrestle with their conflicting feelings with no one to talk to or no way out.

I spent half my day heartbroken and the other half angry. Very angry.

[iamateacher]

34. I also treated families like this

And when one of them fully realizes,and acknowledges the truth, the others shun them.
Sexual assault impacts so many ....

[Solly Mack]

37. Yes. That happens all too often.

There is never only one victim of sexual assault - it spreads the ugly throughout.

People can think of a champagne glass pyramid. Start with the top glass (victim of sexual assault) - pouring the contents of the bottle (the sexual predator) out until the fluid runs over and down to the rest of the glasses in the pyramid. (the rest of the victims of that one assault)

[iamateacher]

47. Yes

You describe it perfectly.

[TheBlackAdder]

35. I'm sure their friends will fill them in on what Devil's Triangle, Blackout Benders, etc. mean.

.

At least that will take the pressure off the parents to describe.

.

[PJMcK]

36. You really do have a nasty mind

So do I.

So, let's not forget boofing and feltching. I'm sure Brett can colorfully explain these to his girls.

[TheBlackAdder]

40. I'm sorry.

.

I did forget about boofing. What's feltching?

.

[Mike Nelson]

39. I feel bad for the girls...

… they were "human shields" when he brought them to his hearing... "You Democrats won't ask about sex while my daughters are sitting here, will you?" Kids are very intuitive... even if they've been told nothing, they can see it in the faces of their friends at school, church, and have probably see some mom & dad stuff we don't know about... yes, they have great wealth, but this is in spite of wealth. I hope they have kind teachers and other adults in their lives, in case this is lacking at home. I hope they always love their parents and realize everyone makes mistakes.

[Blue_true]

41. I am leaning toward him flaming out too.

The guy is on the second highest court in the land, yet he is making alibi arguments that are easily disproven. I want him to make it to at least Thursday so that democrats can rip his ass everyway to Sunday, humiliate him so badly that repugs withdraw him that very night.

[Bettie]

44. Imagine the awkwardness when

his daughters realize that if they are assaulted, their dad figures it is OK, because "boys will be boys".

[Blue_true]

48. His daughters would likely go silent like other females that are assaulted.

Patty Reagan was the daughter of a President of the US and she told no one that she was raped 4 years before he took office.

[GeoWilliam750]

49. Here is a link to the article

I had not heard this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/politics/patti-davis-reagan-sexual-assault-dr-blasey.html

[CincyDem]

52. The kids may be learning a thing or two about daddy but mom knows...

...she knows. For a million reasons of her own choosing, she's with him but she knows him. When she hears stories about being falling over drunk, she's been there. When she hears stories about him making lewd comment about other women, she's been there. Again, for a million reasons of her own choosing, she may not deal with it - but she knows (and he knows she knows) it in her heart.

Intuition is a powerful messenger.

[keithbvadu2]

62. What republican mothers teach their sons and daughters::::

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211167658

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211165758


What republican mothers teach their sons and daughters::::

Defending Kav....
"Tell me, what boy hasn’t done this in high school?”

Would the daughter feel that she might be supported if she told mommy?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/407927-gop-women-issue-strong-defense-of-kavanaugh