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H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 06:58 PM Sep 2018

"And, why?"

“And, why? Because here, in this Western world, and particularly in America, it has always been accepted that a man may possess immense knowledge but without ever having seriously considered his level of being. In America, it is acceptable that a man may be a Supreme Court Justice, a Doctor, a National and International Politician and/or Scientist, has the right to be a racist, or a petty, egotistic, caviling, mean, envious, vain and malicious snake!”
Rubin “Hurricane” Carter; June 26, 1979


The recent events involving the republican attempt to bulldoze Kavanaugh through to the Supreme Court reminded me of the above quote from a long letter Rubin wrote to me almost 40 years ago. I knew Rubin well enough to be fully confident that he would add “a sexual offender” to his list of character traits of the snakes he was describing.

The answer to the question – “And, why?” – is painfully obvious. They do not care. While it is theoretically possible that a tiny minority of republicans do not know that Kavanaugh is a sexual predator, the vast majority do. Most take the Lindsey Graham stance of “So what am I supposed to do? Ruin this man's life?” As if Kavanaugh is entitled to a seat on the Supreme Court, despite having inflicted severe damage on a woman's life.

One of the interesting things about Kavanaugh's Fox interview was his repeated denial of having done “this thing.” That conscious effort to separate himself from “this thing” is of special interest to those who have investigated sex crimes, and/or those who work in the field of psychiatry. I have had employment in both areas, including those involving a specific sect of Catholics. Decades ago, I had a case involving a priest. More, I have discussed the topic with an uncle who investigated several of the cases in Pennsylvania

In my conversations with my uncle – who was called the best investigator in the country in the 1990s, and who trained investigators in the FBI and CIA – he never mentioned the way alter boys dressed as a factor. But we did discuss But we did focus on the offenders' self-justification, based upon Romans 7:17-20. This says, in their interpretation, that if they want to do good, and still offend, it really isn't them doing “this thing.” Nope, it's all “the sin that lives in me.” Now, ain't that a fancy way to avoid taking ownership of your behaviors?

The combination of a sense of entitlement with the failure to take personal responsibility adds up to the self-righteousness we witness today. And what else could explain the republican support for Trump, who admitted on tape to sexual offenses? Though Trump later claimed it wasn't him on the tape, the republicans didn't think it was”the sin living in him.” No, they justified voting for a man who “lives in sin,” so long as it benefited them.

They also resent those who question their sense of entitlement. Indeed, they seek to discourage those who question their character, by engaging in vicious character assassination. We remember Anita Hill, who could only be described as a nice, honest, intelligent and brave lady. Yet she was subjected to yet another assault when she testified. And, in the time that followed, jackasses like David Brock and Orlando Patterson continued attacking her.

When confronting opposition such as these, no individual should stand alone. Because, really, this struggle is less about the past, than about today and the future. It impacts all of us, and thus demands a united front. And that includes recognizing that we combat the unacceptable – not only on one front, but on all fronts.
Two brave women have come forward. They did this, knowing full well what price Anita Hill and countless others were and are subjected to. We need to respect their decisions, including each of them selecting their own legal representatives. A third woman is scheduled to come forward within the next 24 hours. She has decided what lawyer she believes can best represent her. We should respect that decision, at the same level we respect the first two women.

I find it curious that some find fault with her choice of Michael Avenatti. I think that he has done a good job representing Stormy Daniels. The two of them helped to focus attention on Michael Cohen, and to expose crimes that led to Cohen's plea. And that has resulted in some exposure of Trump. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Stormy.

If Avenatti helps put a glaring spotlight on Senate republicans, that's a good thing. I feel safe in speculating that the woman who retained his services was fully aware of his tactics. There is an absolute zero chance that her decision to come forward will hurt the opposition to Kavanaugh, or somehow help him get confirmed.

Thus, if they don't like Michael Avenatti, that is fine. As long they don't hire him, and avoid watching him on television, I'm confident that they will be okay. But please respect the fact that one of the victims of Kavanaugh's sexual assaults did hire him.

Fight the Good Fight – keep calling Senators!
H2O Man

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"And, why?" (Original Post) H2O Man Sep 2018 OP
KnR, H2O Man Hekate Sep 2018 #1
K&R. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2018 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2018 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2018 #3
Yup,.... that makes a lot of sense. magicarpet Sep 2018 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Sep 2018 #16
Well said, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2018 #6
Thanks, Peggy! H2O Man Sep 2018 #18
See you on the barricades! eleny Sep 2018 #7
Yes! H2O Man Sep 2018 #28
I believe there's one other thought process that the Republicans use... llmart Sep 2018 #8
Yes, definitely! H2O Man Sep 2018 #29
The end, however, often explains the means. malthaussen Sep 2018 #34
I like Avenatti coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #9
I think that H2O Man Sep 2018 #15
I love her already coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #17
It will be H2O Man Sep 2018 #19
Awesome coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #56
Avenatti fights lies with truth, that is why they fear him grantcart Sep 2018 #24
Never thought about that coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #55
Thanks......yet again. democrank Sep 2018 #10
Well said. H2O Man Sep 2018 #20
Always reminds me of the Dylan song, Hurricane. kentuck Sep 2018 #11
Great song! H2O Man Sep 2018 #21
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #12
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2018 #26
Thank you! And yes, keep calling senators! BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #13
Great information! H2O Man Sep 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Peace06 Sep 2018 #30
🍺🍺... SkipG Sep 2018 #14
Thank you. H2O Man Sep 2018 #36
K&R. nt tblue37 Sep 2018 #22
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2018 #37
Well said H20 njhoneybadger Sep 2018 #23
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2018 #38
The question I don't understand is why do we still have to go through this crap after 50 years. grantcart Sep 2018 #25
No kidding. malthaussen Sep 2018 #35
" 'Democracy' means H2O Man Sep 2018 #40
I don't, for reasons addressed elsewhere. malthaussen Sep 2018 #43
You are right. H2O Man Sep 2018 #45
Seriously. H2O Man Sep 2018 #39
I Believe This Will Be A Marriage Made In Hell Me. Sep 2018 #31
Thank you, Me! H2O Man Sep 2018 #41
Curious Maybe That Anyone Would Me. Sep 2018 #46
Morning kick! n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2018 #32
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2018 #42
yesssss.... OneGrassRoot Sep 2018 #48
Right! H2O Man Sep 2018 #50
Thank you UpInArms Sep 2018 #33
Thanks, UpInArms! H2O Man Sep 2018 #44
K&R.... spanone Sep 2018 #47
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2018 #51
Avenatti is fighting for all women's rights lunatica Sep 2018 #49
I agree. H2O Man Sep 2018 #52
Love your posts! Thank you, this one is epic. redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #53
"Caviling"! Thank you klook Sep 2018 #54
Great summation by Carter and essay by you. suffragette Sep 2018 #57

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,531 posts)
6. Well said, my dear H20 Man!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:17 PM
Sep 2018

It seems to me that when Kavanaugh says "this thing" he seeks to separate it from him, to deny his ownership, to deny its hold on him.

And the more he denies, the more trapped he becomes, both in word and in his demeanor.

All the better for us to judge.

Thank you for your great post!

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
18. Thanks, Peggy!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:09 PM
Sep 2018

Kavanaugh knows that he is guilty as sin. And so do the republicans. But they are shocked and offended that anyone thinks his being a predator should prevent him from being on the USSC.

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
28. Yes!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:06 PM
Sep 2018

The efforts we make will help determine the outcome. In the words of a great Beatles' song, "All Together Now!"

llmart

(15,534 posts)
8. I believe there's one other thought process that the Republicans use...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:32 PM
Sep 2018

and that is that the end justifies the means. They have been hell bent on overturning Roe v. Wade which in essence puts those "uppity women" in their places and maintains the sense of superiority they have. They convinced Trump to change his position of pro choice to anti-abortion and probably promised him they would have his back if he did that.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
34. The end, however, often explains the means.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 11:31 AM
Sep 2018

Selfish ends always seem to require selfish means.

-- Mal

coeur_de_lion

(3,676 posts)
9. I like Avenatti
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:44 PM
Sep 2018

I realize he can be a bit over the top. He has quite an ego. But he's handsome, intelligent, well spoken, and trump appears to be afraid of him. He never calls him out like he does others who oppose him.

I like him. He seems like the type who gets hold of something and won't turn loose. A bulldog. He's not afraid of men with power. He enjoys a good fight.

I don't know what happened to the republican party. They're so corrupt they are tripping over themselves to grasp at the last vestiges of power. No one but the lowest slimeball known to them would do as Supreme Court nominee. Kavanaugh is revolting even by their apallingly low standards.

Any other nominee would have packed it in and withdrawn. Kavanaugh just keeps lying.

This entire party with few exceptions is vile and disgusting. I can't wait to unseat them all.

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
15. I think that
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:04 PM
Sep 2018

you will like his new client, too. I believe she worked for the Treasury with minting. Two security clearances. Lots of supporting witnesses.

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
19. It will be
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:14 PM
Sep 2018

the end of Kavanaugh. The republicans in the Senate are, behind closed doors, saying Trump owns this crisis, and it is up to him to get Kavanaugh to step aside. They don't want to have to vote, because they are worried the right-wing will sit out the November elections. Yet, if they did vote for him, they know they will lose another part of the party.

coeur_de_lion

(3,676 posts)
56. Awesome
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 05:42 PM
Sep 2018

We can stand some really good news. We needed this win to get the troops psyched up for the mid-terms.

Blue wave!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. Avenatti fights lies with truth, that is why they fear him
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:58 PM
Sep 2018

Avenatti also fights fair. He tells them ahead of time exactly what he is going to show up with.

democrank

(11,085 posts)
10. Thanks......yet again.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:14 PM
Sep 2018

Avenatti fights fire with fire and sometimes fights embers with fire. I'd rather he did that than settle for a plastic spoon in a machete fight. He doesn't waste time trying to be a perfect gentleman when he's knee-deep in snakes.

Good for him.

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
20. Well said.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:19 PM
Sep 2018

I agree 100%. That's his job.

I suspect that some of those who are voicing "concerns" about his role as her lawyer are the very same who are opposed to the thought of him entering the 2020 Democratic primaries. Yet respecting his abilities as an attorney is distinct from any potential political career. Oscar de la Hoya has also told friends he plans to run for president in 2020. I do not think that impacts how one should view his boxing career.

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
21. Great song!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:24 PM
Sep 2018

Definitely one of my favorites. Dylan did a great job at putting the lyrics -- by Jacques Levey -- to music. I've got a good live version of it.

Those who have seen the movie should recognize the letter I quoted was from his "Buddha phase." That series of letters was amazing.

BigmanPigman

(51,569 posts)
13. Thank you! And yes, keep calling senators!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:44 PM
Sep 2018

Call the Senate NOW! This means men too!
87% of the calls have been made by women...why is this considered a woman's issue? It is a human rights issue!
Call the Senate Judiciary Comm this week...

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/about/members
Call them and tell them that they will NOT get reelected by the majority of the US who is against Kavanaugh.
Call all senators and tell them that they are HYPOCRITES and you only vote for reps who have morals and values and who respect women. RESISTANCE WORKS!
Senate DC directory
(202)224-3121

Call the 8 "iffy" Dem and GOP senators too.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1011&pid=2543

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
27. Great information!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:04 PM
Sep 2018

Thank you for adding that! My associates and I will continue to call as many senators as possible.

Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #13)

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
23. Well said H20
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:55 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:49 PM - Edit history (1)


Can't help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land where a Supreme Court Justice is such a game

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
35. No kidding.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 11:34 AM
Sep 2018

For awhile there, I thought we were progressing. Then came Reagan, and it's been downhill ever since. The 60s and early 70s were the Revolution, but damn, the Counter-Revolution has sure lasted a lot longer.

-- Mal

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
40. " 'Democracy' means
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 11:54 AM
Sep 2018

constant struggle." -- Rubin

Social justice requires constant struggle, too. Yet, I find it strange that we need to debate if sex crimes should prevent a nasty poodle from being placed on the highest court in the land at this time.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
43. I don't, for reasons addressed elsewhere.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:03 PM
Sep 2018

"We" might not need to debate it, and "they" aren't really debating, either, just enforcing their will, once again.

I wonder how many bills and appointments in the last couple of years have been enacted despite the vocal protest of the majority of Americans?

-- Mal

Me.

(35,454 posts)
31. I Believe This Will Be A Marriage Made In Hell
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 10:18 PM
Sep 2018

Comrade Trump/Kavanaugh and I still don't believe he will either end up on the Court or maintain his seat there. Cosby should be their canary in the coal mine right about now.

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
41. Thank you, Me!
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:01 PM
Sep 2018

The legendary boxing trainer Cus D'Amato used to say that people born round do not die square. That's a profound statement on character. Curious that the republicans are willing to support those with the very lowest of character.

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
42. Thanks!
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:03 PM
Sep 2018

I'm anticipating more reporting on Julie this afternoon and evening. Can't wait for Michael to appear on CNN and MSNBC.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
48. yesssss....
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:08 PM
Sep 2018

Trump dissed Avenatti by name on twitter. I don't recall him doing that before.

While Trump's rapey history (let alone mob history) should have been made common knowledge in 2016, I hope somehow it all comes out now in a rush. Avenatti has the capacity to pull all the threads together and unravel a lot of sordid truths.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
49. Avenatti is fighting for all women's rights
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:22 PM
Sep 2018

He’s the ultimate Feminist fighter. And he’s quite effective.

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
52. I agree.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:28 PM
Sep 2018

Life is funny sometimes. Not humorous, of course, but funny in that at certain times of tension, an ordinary person steps up to play an extraordinary role as an advocate for Truth.

klook

(12,152 posts)
54. "Caviling"! Thank you
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 05:08 PM
Sep 2018

and Mr. Carter for that. Great post, and come what may, I am glad that we have such able warriors fighting these bastards.

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