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Bombshell from Seth Abramson: (Original Post) triron Sep 2018 OP
No scriptwriter could have created this. IluvPitties Sep 2018 #1
Kind of a dud when you can't see anything except FiveGoodMen Sep 2018 #2
Better? ffr Sep 2018 #4
Yes, thanks. FiveGoodMen Sep 2018 #7
Follow the money to tRump's swamp. K&R ffr Sep 2018 #3
The Grabby Old Party's treasonous Grand Bargain Achilleaze Sep 2018 #5
Send them all to Gitmo Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #19
Basically Trump is taking a giant kickback to stay quiet about a bunch of things Renew Deal Sep 2018 #6
More BOOM! ffr Sep 2018 #8
Kicking for exposure on a day with so much else going on. Tanuki Sep 2018 #9
Indeed. As fellow DUer ffr put it farther upthread, calimary Sep 2018 #20
I have thought this for awhile. kentuck Sep 2018 #10
He did some projecting on this yesterday at the UN malaise Sep 2018 #23
A secret treaty? Retrograde Sep 2018 #11
A conspiracy theory from Abramson claiming all these states Hortensis Sep 2018 #12
Abramson has been ahead of the curve NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #16
Oh, please. I know it's not true that he's ahead of Hortensis Sep 2018 #17
Well, he has 537,000 Twitter followers.... Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #30
We're gonna be lucky if we survive through this. C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #13
We're on a precipice & could topple either way. CrispyQ Sep 2018 #15
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #14
Remember the Trump - Putin get together at G20 dinner. That was preceded by Trump -Saudi intense suffragette Sep 2018 #18
laughably absurd grantcart Sep 2018 #21
I wish Abramson had a collaborator. His statis as "Poet" wont sway many on the right. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2018 #22
Benedict Arnold rolled over in his grave and yelled: You Fucking Traitor! nt Xipe Totec Sep 2018 #24
Abramson - 'nuff said... berksdem Sep 2018 #25
Is there something wrong with Seth's brain that he would think this is legit? RelativelyJones Sep 2018 #26
Wonder what dump and pooty talked about all by their lonesome in Helsinki. nt FromTheAshes Sep 2018 #27
I just pre-ordered his new book on Kindle sellitman Sep 2018 #28
He's selling his book, so, I guess we don't get any evidence or source names without buying it. lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #29
that sounds silly Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #31

ffr

(22,665 posts)
4. Better?
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:51 PM
Sep 2018


*THE GRAND BARGAIN* This (below) is what the entire Trump-Russia investigation is now about. Please share this image widely, as it will be *the* crucial information in the months ahead, now that Prince and Nader's cover is wholly blown. More on all of this in PROOF OF COLLUSION.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. The Grabby Old Party's treasonous Grand Bargain
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:51 PM
Sep 2018

KGOP republican traitors deserve justice. Investigate. Try. Convict. Sentence. Incarcerate (in the profit-making prison shitholes they have allowed and invested in).

Lock them up.

Mr.Bill

(24,244 posts)
19. Send them all to Gitmo
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 02:52 PM
Sep 2018

where they themselves established the precedent that people can be imprisoned for decades without any charges even being filed.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
8. More BOOM!
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:53 PM
Sep 2018


PS2/ The author of this doc is me. And if I'm not laying out all the sources here on Twitter it's because {checks page-count of PROOF OF COLLUSION} that takes 450 pages and 1,645 endnotes. Also, you should know it gets *worse* from the document above—not better. This is not all.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
10. I have thought this for awhile.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:55 PM
Sep 2018

This is a big part of the Russia scandal. We don't know what the Trumps are getting just yet?

malaise

(268,715 posts)
23. He did some projecting on this yesterday at the UN
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 03:27 PM
Sep 2018

when he spoke of Iranian leaders enriching themselves.
He should know.

Retrograde

(10,130 posts)
11. A secret treaty?
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:56 PM
Sep 2018

And what does McConnell have to say about that - does he remember that per the Constitution the US Senate has to ratify treaties? Of does he get a piece of the action?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. A conspiracy theory from Abramson claiming all these states
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:00 PM
Sep 2018

are conspiring. Not that the bald statement is news. It's all the "keep clicking on me" implication.

Triron, where has Abramson posted his 450-page document with all the names and other data that can be checked? I am at leas tcurious to know if this document exists. Just a link would be best, shouldn't bring it here until/if it has been checked by someone capable and found to conform to the terms of service.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
16. Abramson has been ahead of the curve
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:20 PM
Sep 2018

on a lot of the Trump Russia issues. His book is coming out in a little over a month, so he's promoting it now - not sure if the notes are posted anywhere online yet, but he does get a lot of news from overseas sources.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Oh, please. I know it's not true that he's ahead of
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:53 PM
Sep 2018

the curve. Where he's posted truth, I've either already already read it myself or been able to google and find it already out there. It's not because of my secret contacts or crystal ball, it's from the same sources I presume he's getting the information he claims only he knows from.

Then we get into his conspiracy theories. I confess I'm on second-hand ground there. I don't read anything longer than a single tweet from him, like this, so, knowing where he's coming from, I let others evaluate the stuff he's pushing. They tend to report their results in articles about the influence or psychology, or whatever, of sources like this from various disciplinary viewpoints.

If you're really interested in what these nations are up to, may I suggest something as simple as signing up for Foreign Policy's free email as a first step? It contains links to articles that would otherwise be only available to subscribers. It's hardly the end source of all knowledge, and many authors present conflicting viewpoints, but you'll be amazed at how much is being discussed (right out in the open!) in thoughtful media like this that never makes it to cable political chat. Not secret, just available to those who are interested enough to check a couple of favorites among literally hundreds of journals for professionals and others who want to understand.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
30. Well, he has 537,000 Twitter followers....
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 09:39 PM
Sep 2018

...so he's doing something right by condensing material into tweets.

C_U_L8R

(44,990 posts)
13. We're gonna be lucky if we survive through this.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:04 PM
Sep 2018

And thank goodness for Robert Mueller and all our country's defenders

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
18. Remember the Trump - Putin get together at G20 dinner. That was preceded by Trump -Saudi intense
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 02:49 PM
Sep 2018

discussion.

The incident of Trump first gesturing to Putin, then leaving his seat and going to sit next to Putin and having a long talk was well covered.


https://m.



What wasn’t reported on (at least as far as I can tell) was that immediately before Trump started gesturing, he had been in an animated conversation with the Saudi representative.
I stumbled onto that part of the video back at the time and always thought it odd that this wasn’t reported more extensively.

https://m.


https://m.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
21. laughably absurd
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 03:15 PM
Sep 2018

Trump (and Putin) are against all things multilateral. NATO, TPP, Western alliance, WTO etc

Trump is so against multilateral agreements that he fucked up a renegotiation of NAFTA which he could have completed because he refused to negotiate with Mexico and Canada at the same time.

Now we are to believe that both Putin and Trump go against their MO which is sunk in cement to come up with a "Grand Bargain" that includes 5 different countries with cross purposes.

The $ 1 Billion to Trump is similarly quite ridiculous.

If the sanctions are lifted there are contracts for resource exploration in Russia worth approximately $ 800 billion dollars that will be available on day one. In Seth's own tweet he is saying that Russia gets 1 trillion and Trump settles for 1 billion.

The standard payoff for an action like this is 3-5%. Trump has his eyes on between$ 20 and 40 billion.

The idea that Putin and Trump are going to engineer the greatest criminal conspiracy in world history and then cut in some other countries so it can all come out in the was is quite absurd.

Oh and who is the original source for this? Seth Abramson is quoting himself with no underlying facts or documentation.

Sometimes Abramson is really quite pathetic.

lindysalsagal

(20,592 posts)
29. He's selling his book, so, I guess we don't get any evidence or source names without buying it.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 08:11 PM
Sep 2018

Ok. I'm not buying. It all sounds like the same gangster bull-crap frump is capable of. But I would get excited if there were irrefutable evidence. Right now, from where I sit, it seems to be speculation.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
31. that sounds silly
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 09:42 PM
Sep 2018

"I would get excited if there were irrefutable evidence." But I'm not going to consider the book that is filled with notes and citations and evidence.

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