Velshi and Ruhle - thank goodness

[eleny]

Their show just started and Ruhle said, "Let's get smarter!".

After the Andrea Mitchell hour this could be very refreshing.

[Funtatlaguy]

1. Andrea looked in real physical pain having to talk about the third accuser.

[meadowlark5]

2. Who watches Andrea Mitchell anymore?

I will leave her show on when someone is filling in for her. But if it's Andrea, I shut it off.

I think she gets to keep her show because she's considered an icon but I find her scripted and like she's just "doing her job" until she feels like not doing it anymore.

[eleny]

5. I did today because of the revelations

Otherwise I only watch tv during the day very rarely.

[Power 2 the People]

15. +1

[dchill]

3. "Let's get smarter!". It's their tag line every day.

[eleny]

9. I hardly ever watch tv during the day

It sounded like an opening line for the show. But coming on the heels of Mitchell's show today it felt apt.

[dchill]

13. It's always apt, right?

A laudable goal. It's the best day time show on MSNBC.

[demmiblue]

4. I love me some Velshi & Ruhle... one of my favorites on MSNBC. n/t

[renate]

8. me too!

They're so naturally appealing.

[Power 2 the People]

16. me too

She is a tough cookie and so smart. Ali is too.

[get the red out]

23. Same here

Great show!

[cynatnite]

6. Ruhle's voice was broken as she read the accusations...

This is ugly. He should withdraw.

[eleny]

10. I keep saying he'll withdraw but it never happens

I should know better by now how driven the R's are about this. Especially since they have a double jeopardy case ready to go to the SCOTUS making it impossible for states to pursue charges Mueller farmed out to the states.

[Nevilledog]

24. That's not accurate.

The states would be precluded from prosecuting charges based on the same elements as a federal conviction.

For example, by your understanding if someone was convicted of federal tax evasion the state could not prosecute a state tax evasion.

[eleny]

25. What is Senator Hatch trying to accomplish, then?

I read about a case that the SCOTUS accepted right after Justice Kennedy retired. Can you help me understand the significance of Hatch's case? I thought that the Republicans are hot to get that case decided thus protecting Trump et al.

[Staph]

30. I really don't understand that.

Not paying your taxes to the federal government is different from not paying your taxes to the state government. One could pay one without paying the other.

It makes sense to not allow prosecution for the same single act that is illegal under both state and federal law -- say, money laundering. But using taxes for the example has been bugging me for the last couple of days, since the Gamble v U.S. case has made the news (i.e., since I started reading about it here on DU! I haven't seen or heard anything about it in the MSM.).

[leftynyc]

27. If he doesn't file federal charges

there is nothing stopping the state from filing their own.

[eleny]

29. So what do you think Hatch is trying to accomplish with the case filed and accepted by the SCOTUS...

... right after Kennedy left the court? I'm just confused and need guidance. Thanks.

[Nevilledog]

31. My best guess is they're fucking idiots.

Especially since the big ticket items, like treason, would never be prosecutable in state court.

[eleny]

35. I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller's investigation is nibbling at the edges of treason by now

[leftynyc]

32. I think he's trying to avoid

something like if Mueller files federal charges and gets a conviction and donnie pardons whoever, then whatever state involved can't file the SAME charges on a state level (where the person would be at the mercy of that state's governor). Mueller is brilliant in how he's filing certain charges and not others because he's aware of this case.

[eleny]

33. Now I get it - thanks!

So it's a matter of the Feds and a state not being able to file the same charges concurrently.

[leftynyc]

38. Or even consecutively

They want none of the same charges filed both on the federal level and the state level. Not really sure how they plan to get around the 10th amendment on that one but we'll see.

[Nevilledog]

34. Gamble in a nutshell.

Gamble was a prohibited possessor. He was arrested and convicted in state court as such. Immediately after the state conviction Gamble was indicted as a prohibited possessor pursuant to Fed law for the exact same incident. The appellant, Gamble, is arguing that two prosecutions for the same event is double jeopardy even though the convictions are from separate jurisdictions. It's important to note that the Federal Government, the DOJ is arguing that these types of prosecutions are NOT DOUBLE JEOPARDY.


In my 27 year legal career it was very rare to see successive prosecutions like this. Usually the state was more than willing to let the Feds bear the cost of prosecution and incarceration.

[eleny]

36. In these investigations a state would file charges if Mueller's investigation was shut down

That's my understanding these days. That Mueller farmed out elements of his investigation findings to the appropriate states who could pick up the ball should there be a new Attorney General.

I can understand why a state wouldn't step in now because of the cost.

Thanks so much for taking the time to help me understand all this.

[Nevilledog]

37. You are very welcome.

[dchill]

14. He should go to prison.

But, in my experience, "should" seldom happens.

[madaboutharry]

7. Stephanie can barely hold it together.

She is on the verge of tears. The women on air right now are very distressed.

I am so offended, outraged, at the flip statement from The White House and Kavanaugh as this being from "The Twilight Zone..."

[elfin]

11. I LOVE both of them, separately and as a team

Smartest ones during the day. Whip-smart and to the point.

Dynamic Duo.

[eleny]

12. I ought to set their program to record each day

Or see if they have a podcast to listen to later in the evening.

[elfin]

17. I think their time may be shifting. Check it out.

They are either in their new time slot, or it will kick in next week - not sure. Am not usually home this time of day. I will record them as well. Already record Nicole Wallace and Jake Tapper to be there for me when I come home.

I do indeed love a DVR to put my favorites in the "bank."

[eleny]

19. And the audio podcasts are great

I often listen to one at night when I get to bed. Read some of a book, listen to a podcast and then sleep. Gotta keep up!

[saidsimplesimon]

28. yes, thank you MSNBC

for giving me a reason to tune in instead of tune out. It's a ratings game. If they can make it during the day, they will one day get a "prime time" slot.

[VOX]

18. Velshi has the *perfect* broadcast voice. BBC quality.

Maybe it’s his inner Canadian piped through his warm baritone. Whatever, he’s great to listen to.

[eleny]

20. Yes! It really is distinct

I like to listen to various BBC radio shows. You nailed it.

[VOX]

21. I could listen to Velshi reading the phone book.

Except we don’t have phone books any more, to speak of.

[eleny]

26. Lol! I looked for a podcast but can't find one

So maybe they don't have one. I'll write and ask for it. Can't hurt.

Phone books.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

22. You're right. He's got some of the best pipes in the business. nt