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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsChuck Grassley said there are two men that have come forward to claim
they are the ones who tried to rape Christine Blasey Ford. I just heard on Don Lemmon's show.
Republicans are running around talking about smears and con job. Two men coming forward to accept responsibility? O.M.G. *That* is a con job.
I hope they try to run with this because no one in their right mind will believe some guys would come forward, risk their jobs, their marriages/relationships, reputation to save Kavanaugh????
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,159 posts)They still need an FBI investigation. Let these guys lie to the FBI.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)msongs
(67,381 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)they are used by the republicrats to promote Kavanaugh.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)At least now, I don't know about when Blasey Ford was attacked.
CincyDem
(6,346 posts)How much have the Koch brothers spent to get within hours of the finish line. Whats anothe 5-10-20. You take a couple low life guys that believe they can save the country AND make never work again money...there will be a line around the back of the Capitol building for that deal.
But they better come with some details and theres only one place to get them. If this is true, someone with figure it all out...maybe not soon enough for a vote but soon enough for an indictment for witness tampering in a senate hearing.
Fck them.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)I heard Don Lemmon and Joan Walsh talking about it. They sort of just moved past it to talk more about tomorrow's hearing.
It's just so ludicrous.
BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)GOP is the party of liars and corruption.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)RockRaven
(14,950 posts)Get separate signed affidavits confessing to assault, battery, attempted rape, and kidnapping. Distribute it to the Senate Judiciary committee and to the relevant Maryland authorities.
They can either go to prison in Maryland now, or recant and go to federal prison for perjury after Trump is gone.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)onenote
(42,660 posts)You would think it would be major headline news.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)Senate judiciary has a written statement from someone claiming to be Dr. Fords true rapist.
triron
(21,988 posts)NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)Makes zero sense.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... opportunist who didn't believe or care to believe a damn thing Hitler was saying knowing he was a drug addict
JHan
(10,173 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Nah, sounds like a Grassley con job to me.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)N/T.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Murkowski would be better off declaring herself as an independent, like Alaskas governor and getting the hell away from the Repuke party implosion.
Collins is just a dimwit that needs to be thrown out of office.
triron
(21,988 posts)Freethinker65
(10,008 posts)You can bet there were lots of people offering up money to anyone that would take the rap.
Also interesting that it changed from she was a Democrat that made the entire thing up and no such parties ever occurred to now believing it did happen and these two men coming forward must be believed.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)Amazing.
So they are going to pay someone to be patsies.
They could nominate a new person. They could get the hearings done before the midterms. Why are they putting so much into him? He sure must be promising unwavering loyalty for ever and ever.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...because hes confident that Kavanaugh will give him carte blanche to shut down the Mueller investigation and pardon everyone, himself included.
torius
(1,652 posts)and they have beady eyes and are two-dimensional.
blogslut
(37,990 posts)Link to tweet
Elana Schor
?Verified account @eschor
Elana Schor Retweeted Jennifer Epstein
Senior Senate Dem aide tells me there's a concern the GOP is "now releasing anonymous allegations in an effort to make all allegations look frivolous. Were focusing on the ones that have names attached."
triron
(21,988 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)The names are redacted in the published statement, but the identity of the accuser is known to Sen. Whitehouses office, and can be seen in the unredacted version.
triron
(21,988 posts)blogslut
(37,990 posts)Do we know senator Whitehouse wanted that transcript released? It was reported several times tonight that democratic staffers on that committee did not ask any questions of these claimants. As well, the Dems on the committee have made it clear they want all the claims investigated by actual investigators - not this willy-nilly release of raw interview data.
LiberalFighter
(50,825 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,996 posts)What a bunch of Republican bullshit.
major debacle
(508 posts)By Trump's metrics this is Fake News
triron
(21,988 posts)major debacle
(508 posts)10 Eastern, 1 Pacific!
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)It appears that it isnt a case of two men claiming that the two of them assaulted Ford instead of Kavanaugh and Judge. No, it appears that each of the men is, separately, claiming that he AND Judge were the assailants. So, its essentially each man claiming it was me, not Kavanaugh.
triron
(21,988 posts)Why would anyone admit (without being accused) to sexual assault???
This is just plain crazy.
Retrograde
(10,132 posts)Doesn't quite have the same ring.
Is this Grassley scraping the bottom of the barrel, or can he sink to further depths?
major debacle
(508 posts)But that's not saying much.
dchill
(38,462 posts)still_one
(92,108 posts)two "unnamed" sources who are admitting to a felony.
Is Grassley going to suggest immunity for these two assholes if they come forward?
bullshit to that. You don't give immunity for attempted rape.
If they have come forward, someone knows who they are, and they need to be put under oath, and the FBI needs to investigate.
and if these two assholes are taking the fall for Kavanaugh, and providing false information, there are republicans who need to be investigated if this is false information, and at the minimum need to be investigated for obstruction of justice
Louis1895
(768 posts)Did I not read that there is no statute of limitations for rape in Maryland? Then it is Grassleys civic duty to turn the men over to local authorities.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)That base is more than gullible and stupid enough to believe it
I'm surprised it took them this long to come up with it
still_one
(92,108 posts)republicans will demand the FBI get involved
Regardless. I think the Democrats and Ms. Ford's attorney are demanding that anyway
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)The lady questioning Ford tomorrow will frequently press the "didn't come forward" and "didn't name" and "not sure" angles. Dr. Ford will be impressive but since she is honest she will frequently answer the way the questioner prefers.
Then Kavanaugh will play the wronged victim role
Combined with these two idiots claiming it was really them, the GOP base tomorrow night will be chirping in delight and McConnell will move forward with the vote to confirm
still_one
(92,108 posts)pnwmom
(108,972 posts)brewens
(13,557 posts)good! There will be a hole in their story or some connection that blows it.
pnwmom
(108,972 posts)Jim__
(14,072 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)You already had a he said/she said.
The admissions to the counselor helped her case, but by not allowing those notes and records into evidence you are back tonhe said/she said.
The polygrapnexam, unfortunately, was done in such an unorthodox way that it isnt going to carry much weight. They had her write a statement and then just asked her is it was accurate- not a conventional polygraph exam process but one that appears to have been designed to be as easy to pass as possible. Granted if I was lawyer setting one up for my client I would want it as easy to pass as possible too, but the way they did it makes it easy to question.
So that leans in her favor, but in the end at best even a full polygraph would only show that she believed it to be true, you can be firm in a mistaken belief and pass.
Now they have 2 guys willing to take the fall for this and admit to sexual assault.
So he said, she said, he says no that was me situation.
You just cast HUGE doubt into it now. Huge. Like no way this could ever get prosecuted. Like this now gives cover to anyone voting for him. Because she can tell the most convincing story in the work to everyone and they can just say I dont doubt bad things happened to her but since another man is admitted it was him shes just mistaken about who it was.
This seals the deal- hes going on the court.
NJCher
(35,643 posts)Do you write fantasy for a living?
Sub-genre Republican wet dream fantasy?
Cher
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Could it backfire on the Republicans? (Btw, is it unusual for people to claim they committed crimes they did not? Are police investigators often duped by this? )
Itm, obviously those voters who already firmly dismissed it all as a hoax didn't need this. That leaves those capable of doubt, and probably this won't erase that, though no doubt some will find in it an excuse to believe what they wish. But as passionately as the incredible shrinking Republican Party needs for them to turn out in large numbers on November 6?
Btw, it's not over until it's over. I share your concern, but those who rush to despair can look damned silly as they get back up off their knees. And not even 1% of the nation will know or care that the Democratic Party was careful not to have the polygraph reveal information they didn't want out yet.
Anyway, if we must have another right-wing extremist on SCOTUS, I'm not sure a removable, scandal-plagued justice with serious unresolved legal issues, including likely multiple documented perjuries and receipt of stolen property, is quite the worst thing that could happen.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Until she files a complaint, no investigation.
And even than, if they say events happened differently enough they can claim to have been the ones there but that she came in wilingly and was consenting and she changed her mind.
Hey, she came in willingly, we were making out, she was acting like all was good then suddenly she started yelling so we let her leave
They say that and they are placing themselves there without admission of any crime:
Then to charge or prosecute its down to who appears more credible. Well to charge him you must go off her testimony and admit she identified the wrong persons along with not remembering many other details- not very credible to a jury. Then you have his account voluntarily coming forward when he didnt have to.
So with the right version of events told by these guys the chances of prosecution are pretty much zero.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Two men step forward, claim they raped someone and name their victim, and the police can nothing until the victim asks them?
Does it work that way with bank robberies? Two men come forward and claim they robbed a bank and the police won't question them until a bank asks them to?
I'm actually genuinely wondering here. I understand what you say, and of course they could change their minds AFTER the police start asking questions. But this is before and they're admitting to a violent crime that reportedly is not subject to statute of limitations in its jurisdiction.
Still wondering if it could be opening a door to investigation that would envelope the people who produced them. We're not talking your usual domestic subjects here, after all, but big-time political hard-ball players on both sides. Remember what happened when Trump claimed the Democrats had Trump Tower wired?
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)So in many ways, yes.
Now if we find property that appears to be stolen we can go check and see if the owner was unaware of the theft. But then still they would have to file a complaint before anything could be done.
But in this case obviously the victim is known and knows she can file a complaint at any time. They cant force her to and shouldnt badger her to.
Your description of how it typically works is informative, especially in a world where women are still particularly vulnerable to institutionalized victimization.
I have to suspect you're underestimating the applicability of laws and the capabilities of power, though. It's just hard to imagine that any DA or chief of police would be quite this helpless, much less congress.
Hearing to begin soon. Thanks.
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)Sunsky
(1,737 posts)The party of crooks and liars. So desperate.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Is Grassley and many others who have become protectors of putin and trump will suffer from the American people , especially women , running away from the gop forever now, and voting Democrat from now on. I've had numerous gop people I know say never again will they vote for anyone in that party again. Women are really pissed at them for what they're now doing with kavanaugh, but its trump too. They say they've had it with him now , and see him as nothing more than a serial liar and a corrupt criminal, and will never vote for another republican ever. Trump's gop is in shambles and on fire, that they helped trump light, and want to complain now.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)in the end, we all want the facts and truth prevail, don't we?
4139
(1,893 posts)I think Grassley held the story till after Christine ford went on record with her opening statement. Grassley has had it since Monday... Kavanaugh and tRump have likely known also
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Do tell...
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)xor
(1,204 posts)Turns out it's a real thing... Either they are being paid to do this, or they crazy guys looking for attention.