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meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 11:49 PM Sep 2018

Chuck Grassley said there are two men that have come forward to claim

they are the ones who tried to rape Christine Blasey Ford. I just heard on Don Lemmon's show.

Republicans are running around talking about smears and con job. Two men coming forward to accept responsibility? O.M.G. *That* is a con job.

I hope they try to run with this because no one in their right mind will believe some guys would come forward, risk their jobs, their marriages/relationships, reputation to save Kavanaugh????

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Chuck Grassley said there are two men that have come forward to claim (Original Post) meadowlark5 Sep 2018 OP
Give them a lie detector test left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #1
And check their bank accounts TexasBushwhacker Sep 2018 #6
+1, one thing demrepinde male female know by now is lie to the FBI ... go straight to jail uponit7771 Sep 2018 #22
so have they turned themselves into the appropriate local authorities? nt msongs Sep 2018 #2
They will be forced to turn themselves in after at140 Sep 2018 #51
How long is the statute of limitations in that jurisdiction? cwydro Sep 2018 #58
There isn't one mythology Sep 2018 #60
Pay them enough? Sure. CincyDem Sep 2018 #3
We'll see if this goes anywhere meadowlark5 Sep 2018 #4
Not surprised a bit. What else do they have up their sleeves. BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #5
Can't wait to hear two losers risk criminal charges for rape. Hoyt Sep 2018 #7
If so Chuck, then put them in the perjury trap... RockRaven Sep 2018 #8
+1, this is beyond desperate and some crap red don would do uponit7771 Sep 2018 #20
Why can't I find anything about this on the Internet onenote Sep 2018 #9
It's the top story on Foxnews.com NewsCenter28 Sep 2018 #12
Yeah it is bullshit anyway. triron Sep 2018 #13
Yeah why admit to this?? NewsCenter28 Sep 2018 #15
Rudolph Hess, a True Believer in the Hitler, went this crazy during the end while the others were... uponit7771 Sep 2018 #21
this is serious desperation wow. JHan Sep 2018 #10
Still doesn't explain the other instances. roamer65 Sep 2018 #11
Question is if this gives cover to Collins and Murkowski to vote yes NewsCenter28 Sep 2018 #14
Collins and Murkowski will sign their political death warrants if they vote to confirm. roamer65 Sep 2018 #16
Collins is more concerned about Avenatti's client's allegations. triron Sep 2018 #23
Only two? I am surprised they did not find more men willing to admit to it? Freethinker65 Sep 2018 #17
I just went to Fox's website and yes - it's the top story and takes up half the page meadowlark5 Sep 2018 #18
omfg uponit7771 Sep 2018 #19
Trump's the one who wants him... regnaD kciN Sep 2018 #28
Let's see, their names are Beavis and Butthead, torius Sep 2018 #24
These accounts are designed, by the GOP, to muddy the waters and de-value the credible ones blogslut Sep 2018 #25
Except Sen. Whitehouse is a democrat. triron Sep 2018 #26
...and that's not an anonymous allegation. regnaD kciN Sep 2018 #30
The name is blacked out. There's only one allegation that's anonymous then. triron Sep 2018 #33
Yes, but... blogslut Sep 2018 #32
Tell them that Dr Ford has the DNA. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #27
Will they call the dang FBI already??!!! C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #29
No names major debacle Sep 2018 #31
Wonder if this will be brought up at the hearing tomorrow?? triron Sep 2018 #35
Popcorn at the ready! major debacle Sep 2018 #37
BREAKING: Actually, it gets much weirder... regnaD kciN Sep 2018 #34
I don't think Dr. Ford is not clear headed about who it was. triron Sep 2018 #36
"I am Brett Kavanaugh!"??? Retrograde Sep 2018 #38
It's a rung above, "I am Jeffrey Dahmer" major debacle Sep 2018 #40
Doubling down on a pile of shit is just twice as much shit. dchill Sep 2018 #39
So are the republicans who were calling Ford a Liar, now saying she was assulted? To boot they have still_one Sep 2018 #41
Statute of limitations Louis1895 Sep 2018 #52
Perfect story to peddle to the Republican base Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #42
Doesn't matter, they bring this up at the hearing the Democrats, and I suspect a couple of still_one Sep 2018 #43
FBI won't be called Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #44
they will pay the consequences either way in the midterms still_one Sep 2018 #46
Two separate anonymous men claimed they each did it. Sounds pretty shaky to me. n/t pnwmom Sep 2018 #48
Ah the old "I am Spartacus" ploy! If he really has a couple assclowns trying that, this could get brewens Sep 2018 #45
They've each come forward separately -- not together. And I understand they're anonymous. n/t pnwmom Sep 2018 #47
I wonder if they'll be called to testify at the hearing. - n/t Jim__ Sep 2018 #49
This throws it into a huge mess Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #50
Wow, that's just so simple NJCher Sep 2018 #53
Lee-Lee, might this force a police investigation? Hortensis Sep 2018 #54
Only she can "force" an investigation Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #61
I asked you because I figured you'd know, but really? Hortensis Sep 2018 #62
You can't have a crime against a person without a victim Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #63
Okay. Hortensis Sep 2018 #65
Really? Gothmog Sep 2018 #66
Unbelievable Sunsky Sep 2018 #55
What i think duforsure Sep 2018 #56
lol, so why not postpone the hearing and let FBI do their job? beachbum bob Sep 2018 #57
USA Today has run the story... 4139 Sep 2018 #59
What are their names, Chuckie? MineralMan Sep 2018 #64
Even Graham thinks that these two idiots are liars Gothmog Sep 2018 #67
This is so odd that I assumed it was just internet shitheads spreading lies xor Sep 2018 #68

at140

(6,110 posts)
51. They will be forced to turn themselves in after
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 05:55 AM
Sep 2018

they are used by the republicrats to promote Kavanaugh.

CincyDem

(6,346 posts)
3. Pay them enough? Sure.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 11:55 PM
Sep 2018

How much have the Koch brothers spent to get within hours of the finish line. What’s anothe 5-10-20. You take a couple low life guys that believe they can save the country AND make “never work again” money...there will be a line around the back of the Capitol building for that deal.

But they better come with some details and there’s only one place to get them. If this is true, someone with figure it all out...maybe not soon enough for a vote but soon enough for an indictment for witness tampering in a senate hearing.

F’ck them.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
4. We'll see if this goes anywhere
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 11:55 PM
Sep 2018

I heard Don Lemmon and Joan Walsh talking about it. They sort of just moved past it to talk more about tomorrow's hearing.

It's just so ludicrous.

RockRaven

(14,950 posts)
8. If so Chuck, then put them in the perjury trap...
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 11:58 PM
Sep 2018

Get separate signed affidavits confessing to assault, battery, attempted rape, and kidnapping. Distribute it to the Senate Judiciary committee and to the relevant Maryland authorities.

They can either go to prison in Maryland now, or recant and go to federal prison for perjury after Trump is gone.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
12. It's the top story on Foxnews.com
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:02 AM
Sep 2018

Senate judiciary has a written statement from someone claiming to be Dr. Ford’s true rapist.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
21. Rudolph Hess, a True Believer in the Hitler, went this crazy during the end while the others were...
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:26 AM
Sep 2018

... opportunist who didn't believe or care to believe a damn thing Hitler was saying knowing he was a drug addict

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
16. Collins and Murkowski will sign their political death warrants if they vote to confirm.
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:07 AM
Sep 2018

Murkowski would be better off declaring herself as an independent, like Alaska’s governor and getting the hell away from the Repuke party implosion.

Collins is just a dimwit that needs to be thrown out of office.

Freethinker65

(10,008 posts)
17. Only two? I am surprised they did not find more men willing to admit to it?
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:12 AM
Sep 2018

You can bet there were lots of people offering up money to anyone that would take the rap.

Also interesting that it changed from she was a Democrat that made the entire thing up and no such parties ever occurred to now believing it did happen and these two men coming forward must be believed.


meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
18. I just went to Fox's website and yes - it's the top story and takes up half the page
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:21 AM
Sep 2018

Amazing.

So they are going to pay someone to be patsies.

They could nominate a new person. They could get the hearings done before the midterms. Why are they putting so much into him? He sure must be promising unwavering loyalty for ever and ever.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
28. Trump's the one who wants him...
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:44 AM
Sep 2018

...because he’s confident that Kavanaugh will give him carte blanche to shut down the Mueller investigation and pardon everyone, himself included.

blogslut

(37,990 posts)
25. These accounts are designed, by the GOP, to muddy the waters and de-value the credible ones
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:32 AM
Sep 2018



Elana Schor
?Verified account @eschor

Elana Schor Retweeted Jennifer Epstein

Senior Senate Dem aide tells me there's a concern the GOP is "now releasing anonymous allegations in an effort to make all allegations look frivolous. We’re focusing on the ones that have names attached."

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
30. ...and that's not an anonymous allegation.
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:46 AM
Sep 2018

The names are redacted in the published statement, but the identity of the accuser is known to Sen. Whitehouse’s office, and can be seen in the unredacted version.

blogslut

(37,990 posts)
32. Yes, but...
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:49 AM
Sep 2018

Do we know senator Whitehouse wanted that transcript released? It was reported several times tonight that democratic staffers on that committee did not ask any questions of these claimants. As well, the Dems on the committee have made it clear they want all the claims investigated by actual investigators - not this willy-nilly release of raw interview data.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
34. BREAKING: Actually, it gets much weirder...
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:51 AM
Sep 2018

It appears that it isn’t a case of two men claiming that the two of them assaulted Ford instead of Kavanaugh and Judge. No, it appears that each of the men is, separately, claiming that he AND Judge were the assailants. So, it’s essentially each man claiming “it was me, not Kavanaugh.”


triron

(21,988 posts)
36. I don't think Dr. Ford is not clear headed about who it was.
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 12:55 AM
Sep 2018

Why would anyone admit (without being accused) to sexual assault???

This is just plain crazy.

Retrograde

(10,132 posts)
38. "I am Brett Kavanaugh!"???
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 01:08 AM
Sep 2018

Doesn't quite have the same ring.

Is this Grassley scraping the bottom of the barrel, or can he sink to further depths?

still_one

(92,108 posts)
41. So are the republicans who were calling Ford a Liar, now saying she was assulted? To boot they have
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 01:45 AM
Sep 2018

two "unnamed" sources who are admitting to a felony.

Is Grassley going to suggest immunity for these two assholes if they come forward?

bullshit to that. You don't give immunity for attempted rape.

If they have come forward, someone knows who they are, and they need to be put under oath, and the FBI needs to investigate.

and if these two assholes are taking the fall for Kavanaugh, and providing false information, there are republicans who need to be investigated if this is false information, and at the minimum need to be investigated for obstruction of justice

Louis1895

(768 posts)
52. Statute of limitations
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 06:18 AM
Sep 2018

Did I not read that there is no statute of limitations for rape in Maryland? Then it is Grassley’s civic duty to turn the men over to local authorities.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
42. Perfect story to peddle to the Republican base
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 01:47 AM
Sep 2018

That base is more than gullible and stupid enough to believe it

I'm surprised it took them this long to come up with it

still_one

(92,108 posts)
43. Doesn't matter, they bring this up at the hearing the Democrats, and I suspect a couple of
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 01:57 AM
Sep 2018

republicans will demand the FBI get involved

Regardless. I think the Democrats and Ms. Ford's attorney are demanding that anyway



 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
44. FBI won't be called
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 02:18 AM
Sep 2018

The lady questioning Ford tomorrow will frequently press the "didn't come forward" and "didn't name" and "not sure" angles. Dr. Ford will be impressive but since she is honest she will frequently answer the way the questioner prefers.

Then Kavanaugh will play the wronged victim role

Combined with these two idiots claiming it was really them, the GOP base tomorrow night will be chirping in delight and McConnell will move forward with the vote to confirm

brewens

(13,557 posts)
45. Ah the old "I am Spartacus" ploy! If he really has a couple assclowns trying that, this could get
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 02:29 AM
Sep 2018

good! There will be a hole in their story or some connection that blows it.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
50. This throws it into a huge mess
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 05:52 AM
Sep 2018

You already had a he said/she said.

The admissions to the counselor helped her case, but by not allowing those notes and records into evidence you are back tonhe said/she said.

The polygrapnexam, unfortunately, was done in such an unorthodox way that it isn’t going to carry much weight. They had her write a statement and then just asked her is it was accurate- not a conventional polygraph exam process but one that appears to have been designed to be as easy to pass as possible. Granted if I was lawyer setting one up for my client I would want it as easy to pass as possible too, but the way they did it makes it easy to question.

So that leans in her favor, but in the end at best even a full polygraph would only show that she believed it to be true, you can be firm in a mistaken belief and pass.

Now they have 2 guys willing to take the fall for this and admit to sexual assault.

So he said, she said, he says “no that was me” situation.

You just cast HUGE doubt into it now. Huge. Like no way this could ever get prosecuted. Like this now gives cover to anyone voting for him. Because she can tell the most convincing story in the work to everyone and they can just say “I don’t doubt bad things happened to her but since another man is admitted it was him she’s just mistaken about who it was”.

This seals the deal- he’s going on the court.

NJCher

(35,643 posts)
53. Wow, that's just so simple
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 06:20 AM
Sep 2018

Do you write fantasy for a living?

Sub-genre “Republican wet dream fantasy?”

Cher

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. Lee-Lee, might this force a police investigation?
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 06:21 AM
Sep 2018

Could it backfire on the Republicans? (Btw, is it unusual for people to claim they committed crimes they did not? Are police investigators often duped by this? )

Itm, obviously those voters who already firmly dismissed it all as a hoax didn't need this. That leaves those capable of doubt, and probably this won't erase that, though no doubt some will find in it an excuse to believe what they wish. But as passionately as the incredible shrinking Republican Party needs for them to turn out in large numbers on November 6?

Btw, it's not over until it's over. I share your concern, but those who rush to despair can look damned silly as they get back up off their knees. And not even 1% of the nation will know or care that the Democratic Party was careful not to have the polygraph reveal information they didn't want out yet.

Anyway, if we must have another right-wing extremist on SCOTUS, I'm not sure a removable, scandal-plagued justice with serious unresolved legal issues, including likely multiple documented perjuries and receipt of stolen property, is quite the worst thing that could happen.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
61. Only she can "force" an investigation
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 08:05 AM
Sep 2018

Until she files a complaint, no investigation.

And even than, if they say events happened differently enough they can claim to have been the ones there but that she came in wilingly and was consenting and she changed her mind.

“Hey, she came in willingly, we were making out, she was acting like all was good then suddenly she started yelling so we let her leave”

They say that and they are placing themselves there without admission of any crime:

Then to charge or prosecute it’s down to who appears more credible. Well to charge him you must go off her testimony and admit she identified the wrong persons along with not remembering many other details- not very credible to a jury. Then you have his account voluntarily coming forward when he didn’t have to.

So with the right version of events told by these guys the chances of prosecution are pretty much zero.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
62. I asked you because I figured you'd know, but really?
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 08:27 AM
Sep 2018

Two men step forward, claim they raped someone and name their victim, and the police can nothing until the victim asks them?

Does it work that way with bank robberies? Two men come forward and claim they robbed a bank and the police won't question them until a bank asks them to?

I'm actually genuinely wondering here. I understand what you say, and of course they could change their minds AFTER the police start asking questions. But this is before and they're admitting to a violent crime that reportedly is not subject to statute of limitations in its jurisdiction.

Still wondering if it could be opening a door to investigation that would envelope the people who produced them. We're not talking your usual domestic subjects here, after all, but big-time political hard-ball players on both sides. Remember what happened when Trump claimed the Democrats had Trump Tower wired?


 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
63. You can't have a crime against a person without a victim
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 09:26 AM
Sep 2018

So in many ways, yes.

Now if we find property that appears to be stolen we can go check and see if the owner was unaware of the theft. But then still they would have to file a complaint before anything could be done.

But in this case obviously the victim is known and knows she can file a complaint at any time. They can’t force her to and shouldn’t badger her to.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
65. Okay.
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 09:50 AM
Sep 2018

Your description of how it typically works is informative, especially in a world where women are still particularly vulnerable to institutionalized victimization.

I have to suspect you're underestimating the applicability of laws and the capabilities of power, though. It's just hard to imagine that any DA or chief of police would be quite this helpless, much less congress.

Hearing to begin soon. Thanks.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
56. What i think
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 06:32 AM
Sep 2018

Is Grassley and many others who have become protectors of putin and trump will suffer from the American people , especially women , running away from the gop forever now, and voting Democrat from now on. I've had numerous gop people I know say never again will they vote for anyone in that party again. Women are really pissed at them for what they're now doing with kavanaugh, but its trump too. They say they've had it with him now , and see him as nothing more than a serial liar and a corrupt criminal, and will never vote for another republican ever. Trump's gop is in shambles and on fire, that they helped trump light, and want to complain now.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
57. lol, so why not postpone the hearing and let FBI do their job?
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 06:53 AM
Sep 2018

in the end, we all want the facts and truth prevail, don't we?

4139

(1,893 posts)
59. USA Today has run the story...
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 07:09 AM
Sep 2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/26/brett-kavanaugh-two-men-say-they-had-disputed-sexual-encounter-christine-ford/1439569002/

I think Grassley held the story till after Christine ford went on record with her opening statement. Grassley has had it since Monday... Kavanaugh and tRump have likely known also

xor

(1,204 posts)
68. This is so odd that I assumed it was just internet shitheads spreading lies
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 05:56 PM
Sep 2018

Turns out it's a real thing... Either they are being paid to do this, or they crazy guys looking for attention.

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