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live2011

(101 posts)
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 01:07 PM Sep 2018

When will Americans stop lying to themselves (and the world) about America?

No, we are not “color-blind”.
No, we do not have either “equal rights” or “equal opportunities”.
No, we do not have “freedom and justice for all”.
No, Justice is not “blind”.
No, we are not “a peace-loving Nation”.

Yes, America supplies at least half the weapons made and sold in the world.
Yes, America is an Empire and a bully.
Yes, we prop up dictators we like and seek to overthrow leaders we don’t like.

UNFORTUNATELY, I COULD GO ON AND ON.

Anyone want to add to my list?

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When will Americans stop lying to themselves (and the world) about America? (Original Post) live2011 Sep 2018 OP
unfortunately we don't exist in a perfect world but majority of americans are decent people beachbum bob Sep 2018 #1
I'll add a definition of Whataboutism! emulatorloo Sep 2018 #2
We will NEVER be one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. democratisphere Sep 2018 #3

emulatorloo

(44,069 posts)
2. I'll add a definition of Whataboutism!
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

Welcome to DU!

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What About "Whataboutism?"
If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

Some of the terms we use to describe political rhetoric are as old as politics itself (see ad hominem attacks, or such devices as synecdoche, metonymy, or zeugma). Others are more recent additions, driven by the evolution of the news cycle (like fake news and dog whistles).

But hey, aren’t we ignoring a bigger subject here? How can we talk about rhetorical devices and not mention whataboutism?

Essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse

Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject ("What about the economy?" ) to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.

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The association of whataboutism with the Soviet Union began during the Cold War. As the regimes of Josef Stalin and his successors were criticized by the West for human rights atrocities, the Soviet propaganda machine would be ready with a comeback alleging atrocities of equal reprehensibility for which the West was guilty.

The weaknesses of whataboutism—which dictates that no one must get away with an attack on the Kremlin's abuses without tossing a few bricks at South Africa, no one must indict the Cuban police State without castigating President Park, no one must mention Irak, Libya or the PLO without having a bash at Israel, &c. – have been canvassed in this column before.
—Michael Bernard, The Age (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia), 17 Jun. 1978


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Before the 2016 presidential election, more instances of whataboutism applied to criticism among regimes than between individual politicians:

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Since the Cold War, Moscow has engaged in a political points-scoring exercise known as "whataboutism" used to shut down criticism of Russia's own rights record by pointing out abuses elsewhere. All criticism of Russia is invalid, the idea goes, because problems exist in other countries too.
—Max Seddon, Buzzfeed, 25 Nov. 2014


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The term is seeing a bit of a renaissance in our current political climate. Philip Bump writes in The Washington Post that President Donald Trump has utilized whataboutism frequently as a way of deflecting criticism for his actions, such as his pardon of former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio.

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Time will tell if whataboutism can persuade its way into the language, but its recent upswing in usage suggests it may have staying power. At least until someone changes the subject.

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