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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStrategy to impeach Court Justice Kavanaugh:
1) Add Security for Mark Judge.
2) With the next Dem president or control of Senate, start the FBI investigation.
3) Subpoena Mark Judge and interview all outstanding allegations against Kavanaugh.
4) If the details determine that Kavanaugh lied under oath, impeach him.
We owe this to Christine Blasey Ford.
Never forget.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)I'm afraid we're stuck with the Bernie or Bust SCOTUS for a generation
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)outright political warfare.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)And believe me we do not want a Constitutional convention in the current environment.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)And two thirds is 67. Dont see that happening anytime soon.
manor321
(3,344 posts)We also somehow have to win the Senate by dramatic numbers.
The time for this fight was in November 2016. The time to vote for the Democrat was then, as we told everyone.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)but we can save theirs.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I remember during the primary a Bernie supporter said he would not be unhappy if Trump won because it would bring on the revolution even faster. I was horrified. It sounded like and evangelical saying bring on the second coming of Christ. I kept reminding him that it was the Supreme Court he needed to worry about, the revolution wouldn't matter if they packed all the courts with crazy right wing nutcases for 40 years.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)These "revolutionaries" complain about the money in politics (while of course demanding Democrats unilaterally refuse that money!), then declined to vote for the Democrat who could have ensured the court majority needed to dismantle Citizens United. (And of course, it's not just the Supreme Court being packed...) Not to mention, their promised revolution won't be able to reverse all the environmental damage that happens in the meantime... (ETC.!!!)
That's a perfect analogy. The so-called revolutionaries are just like the gullible, ignorant, delusional and entitled (!) radical evangelicals who insist on shoving their batshit-crazy delusions down our country's throat.
democratic friend
(137 posts)MUCH more concerning then the population realizes.
avebury
(10,952 posts)totally hell!
Put billboards up denouncing him. If George Soros would put money in the women would be able to afford to go after him in both the criminal and civil courts. Keep a steady drum beat up with ads and online media.
How about putting up images and sayings on his house. I would imagine that could be done from a public space. Roving can with a bull horn.
Our side will need to get creative.
deminks
(11,014 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)If we can't even get 1 Republican to cross the aisle on confirmation, there's no chance we're getting 15+ to impeach.
Not trying to sound pessimistic, but it's the reality of the situation.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and then 2/3 vote to convict in the Senate.
However, historically it's been almost impossible. One SCOTUS judge was impeached, but he was not convicted, and that was over 200 years ago.
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)to stay silent, because they knew that men would prevail. That is slowly changing. The next test is to see what Republicans will do once they are faced with compelling evidence. What will they do when it is obvious that Kavanaugh lied under oath, and that the system was defrauded? We won't know unless we try.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)since there were reportedly additional witnesses ready to testify against Thomas?
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to compete with Cheating Mitch. Too often, Democrats are too nice (like, Sen Ed Markey saying that if Democrats retake the majority, he wants to bring the filibuster back... WTF Ed?)
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)I think our new leaders are the Senators who walked out of the Judiciary committee this morning. They are most present on this issue.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)he would be giving up power and giving up on this country and giving the power back to repusb. Insane idea to even mention.
democratic friend
(137 posts)Hes next. We better have the senate if this happens. If impeachment hearing start he is sure to retire. Hes 70 I believe.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)ffr
(22,669 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)once the facts are so compelling. Under the worst of circumstances, Republicans who refused to accept new facts that showed that Kavanaugh lied under oath can be challenged at the polls.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Better to attempt to force his recusal on all manner of cases including, for starters, those involving sexual assault and perjury.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,922 posts)They are not subject to the Code of Conduct like lower judges are.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)It will be as much she said/he said as yesterday was.
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)He can bring in other names into the picture.
onenote
(42,694 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)has been opened.
Avennati will have a field day building a case against all of them, if there are women who were abused decide that now is the time to step out of the shadows.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)Tuesday THEIR dream will be realised. Set a goal of winning the House and 66 Senators to impeach this lying fucker.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Even adding Mark Judge or any other person to the process, you still are investigating nothing but accusations. It would be as much she said/he said as yesterday was.
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)corroborating evidence. Mark Judge is THAT corroborating evidence.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Thats whats been so confusing. Overnight we went from reading that Dr. Ford wanted Judge there as a witness to Kavanughs assault, to reading that Judge himself is a serial rapist that gang raped dozens of people with Kavanaugh.
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)Immunity might be an option. It depends if this proceeds to personal criminal filings.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)You got that right!
benfranklin1776
(6,443 posts)She exhibited tremendous courage and selfless willingness to sacrifice for the good of the country. We owe her and other victims and the principle of justice that much.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)Add a step called, "Obtain and read 700,000 pages of Kav's decisions that the GOP refused to turn over".
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)Hell yes! Impeached will stay on the table until implemented.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)Chakaconcarne
(2,444 posts)Am I missing something?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/28/politics/kavanaugh-senate-judiciary-vote/index.html
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Although the European Court of Justice has 28 judges (soon to be 27) hearings are held by a panel of 3, 5 or 15 judges.
I see no problem with a 15 member US Supreme Court.
mythology
(9,527 posts)ananda
(28,858 posts)nt
pecosbob
(7,537 posts)it's the only remedy short of achieving a super majority in the Senate, and would require a simple majority in both chambers and the presidency...just what the GOP has currently.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)They'll just add 5. The same goes for impeachment, we make a questionable move (reducing the lower court nominations to a simple majority) and they take it a step further (reducing supreme nomination to simple majority). When will we learn that changing the rules to help us today will only bite us in the ass tomorrow?
pecosbob
(7,537 posts)Fear of GOP retaliatory escalation will cause the downfall of this nation.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)The repubs would have a field day if we try to impeach someone for actions taken before they assumed office (naturally not counting actions that that influence the outcome of the election)
pecosbob
(7,537 posts)and Dems capture a super majority in the Senate, and we all know this won't happen. Talk of impeachment without means is pointless.
onenote
(42,694 posts)Apparently the repubs have been hesitating to do this since they haven't done it, despite our having no way to stop them. Why is that? Maybe because history suggests that court packing plans are not well received by the public at large.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)so they recognize its a bad idea all around. If every change in the majority is met with another round of court packing eventually youve got like 60 justices and a judicial branch that is utterly subordinate to the fleeting whims of partisans.
calimary
(81,220 posts)They should get their day, and their say. They deserve to be heard.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Don't complain about the Rethugs will do it too because they
already are. Don't fail to use something to do what you believe
in just because someone else might use it to do what you disagree
with.