Kavanaugh CANNOT Withstand the Scrutiny of an FBI Investigation

[Skraxx]

He knows this. The very thought of it will be intolerable for him. Chances just skyrocketed that he will withdraw rather than undergo any scrutiny. Every second this is delayed, his nomination becomes less and less likely.

[bettyellen]

1. Exactly. m+C are prolly promising to push through the next nominee before January....

[lapfog_1]

2. The internet and Kav's own idiotic calendar

have pinpointed where I would start if I was the FBI.

That and all of the lies under oath about his yearbook, his drinking, his claim about the drinking age, etc

[NewJeffCT]

3. From what I have heard so far

the FBI investigation is ONLY into the allegations from Ford. So, nothing on Ramirez or Swetnick, nor the other two in process.

[triron]

27. No it includes all the accusers (or at least the 3 that have come forward).

[charliea]

72. It's an order by tRump...

"limited to current credible allegations against the nominee." Investigate all credible allegations, so guess what? It will be determined that there aren't any...

We don't want a blue wave, even a tsunami wouldn't be enough. We need a Missoula flood that carves a new pathway forward...

#RESIST

[MyOwnPeace]

111. LOVE the way you said that:

"We don't want a blue wave, even a tsunami wouldn't be enough. We need a Missoula flood that carves a new pathway forward...

#RESIST "

Yes, times 1,000!!!!!!

[DownriverDem]

30. Yes but

will Mark Judge lie for kavanaugh and risk going to jail? I don't think so.

[NewJeffCT]

31. maybe he can hope for a pardon

from Donny Dollhands?

[volstork]

63. "Donny Dollhands"

Up til I read that, my favorite one was “Circus Peanut.” This one wins, hands down!

[NewJeffCT]

64. Thanks

I've been trying to use it on Twitter fairly regularly. #DonnyDollhands

I heard using the name Trump was not a good idea, so I started using Donny and then Donny Dollhands

[volstork]

67. Reminds me of this:

https://tenor.com/view/kristen-wiig-dooneese-gif-7181377

[colorado_ufo]

73. Donny and The Dollhands

sounds like a 60s singing group!

[tymorial]

76. I have small chubby hands and I am rather self conscious about then but seriously

That is funny as hell

[brewens]

101. Yeah, nice mob name. I like "Donny Urinal Cake" too. n/t

[FakeNoose]

37. He can claim blackouts and spotty memories

... that's not really lying, but it would sure look bad.

[canetoad]

51. I doubt blaming blackouts will work

For either Judge or Kav. These were teenage boys; there would have been plenty of talk in the following days and plenty of friends to remind them what studs they were.

[leftieNanner]

79. But he already told Sen. Klobuchar that he never blacked out!

[onetexan]

52. Forget Judge, dr. Blasey's witnesses' accounts and

Testimony from other people who know her will vouch for her character.

[LibDemAlways]

107. Mark Judge has nothing to gain by

lying and everything to lose. He for sure does not welcome this, but faced with a possible perjury charge, may well decide protecting his old drinking buddy and partner in crime isn't worth losing his freedom.

[libdem4life]

112. Then there is this fact of his writings.

Hard to deny them. He'd better read them quick so he doesn't get tripped up. That's like follow the money...his is follow his writings.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

91. I wish it was also about the perjury and the possible gambling & alcohol problems. . . nt

[erronis]

97. I also hope that these major problems are investigated and exposed.

While the current occupant of the WH might want the scope to be limited, I would expect certain ancillary findings to be revealed.

[pangaia]

114. ain't going to happen...

whitewash coming

[appalachiablue]

121. Yep, WH is already limiting the scope, no Swetnik

according to NBC. Who knows what else will be ignored or swept away.

[Blue_true]

94. But, if they confirm Mrs. Ford's account, he is done.

The other incidents go from may have happened to highly likely happened. Big difference.

[Pinkflamingo]

110. Dr Ford

[lagomorph777]

4. He just about fainted when asked whether he supports an FBI investigation.

This will be the end of him if it really happens.

[onetexan]

56. Yes, it was very telling and evident that it pained him

Greatly @the prospect of an fbi investigation. Im sure he's got alot of skeletons in the closet.

[Scarsdale]

109. I wonder if Daddy and Mumsy

have told him that his inheritance will be cut off if he does not make them proud parents of a SC judge?? They HAVE to have seen him drunk at various times during his younger days. Probably tried to make him get help a few times. One look at his wife's face, and it is clear that the family secret is about to be exposed.

[radical noodle]

123. I wonder if Daddy and Mumsy

have paid off Mark Judge to lie.

[Raven]

5. I think you are absolutely correct. n/t

[TNLib]

6. He's so entrenched with the Establishment and lobbyist who have poured money into him

I'm doubtful that he will withdraw.

[BigmanPigman]

7. Happy, happy week for us!

I wonder what his calendar will look like for this coming week? Any "skis with Judge and pals?

[japple]

66. I read on another thread that "skis" are coke trails as opposed to brewskis.

Wouldn't that be a revelation!

[BigmanPigman]

69. I never heard of that term for it before.

At this point he is going to have a grudge and he may really go off the rails before the investigation is over. If he was an ass yesterday and in the past can you imagine what he is like when he is drunk. Whether he does drink or not he has an anger management issue and a justice can't have that type of temperament.

[japple]

74. No, I haven't either, but it's not beyond the realm of imagination. Never heard of

boofing until yesterday. But I am and old person.

[BigmanPigman]

75. Older but wiser!

[japple]

90. Absolutely!!!! Not gonna risk the health of my rectum or colon by trying to

be cool. Beer and smoking works just fine for me!!!

[True Blue American]

118. Ski trails

Make sense. Don’t they line it up on mirrors? That is what they show on the TV.

I had to look up boofing on Google. Kind of sorry I did!

[BigmanPigman]

120. The lingo I have heard didn't include that one.

"Tracks" are from shooting drugs. "Cutting lines, laying it out" were for drugs to be snorted. That's the only stuff I know of.

[True Blue American]

70. Makes sense

Heard a story yesterday that a Security Guard said he smelled Vodka on Kavenaugh.
No verification yet.

[2naSalit]

81. The way he was grabbing for his water

I suspect it was not water in those bottles, he seemed to be only a few drinks in while he was at his most belligerent moments. I think he was consuming right there in front of the Committee!

[pangaia]

116. Vodka?

You mean all those times I drank vodka at high school parties so my parents couldn't smell it..... the COULD smell it?

[True Blue American]

117. Now you know.:)

It may seem odorless, but there is still a smell. These people are trained. They can look at you and tell. Even if he did not drink it that day.

I worked with a lot of Police, they filled me in on a lot. And my Husband was a Volunteer Paramedic

[Peachhead22]

83. I sincerely pray Mark Judge doesn't relapse

He's going to be under an absolute megaton of pressure this week. And the temptation might get pretty intense. Addiction and alcoholism is a hell I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

[BigmanPigman]

84. I wish that he tells the truth finally and cleans his slate.

[recovering_democrat]

89. Amen

[pangaia]

115. Nothing will come of it.

Otherwise repubs would never have let it happen...

[ADX]

8. It depends on the duration and scope of the investigation...

...as well as the availability of pertinent witnesses.

[qazplm135]

9. not sure that's true at all

depends on a whole host of things. He could easily survive such an investigation, or not.

[rzemanfl]

10. He cannot withstand one more week. n/t

[Meadowoak]

11. I bet a real FBI investigation would unearth some interesting facts.

[TruckFump]

12. There is NO way Kavanaugh can pass the FBI background check this time, IMO

Too much contradictory info out there now on so many of his statements.

All they have to do is pin him on a few lies. Not necessary to prove or disprove allegations -- I would think that lying to the SJC is enough.

[fierywoman]

24. Maybe he'll be devil-triangled by the FBI?

[Scurrilous]

25. LOL

[TruckFump]

26. OMG...

...the visual that went with that statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[getagrip_already]

38. yeah, we all KNOW that wasn't a drinking game.....

As soon as judge cops to the fbi, he will have another perjury charge.

[fierywoman]

42. That and all his year book explanations were lying under oath to the Senate.

[getagrip_already]

93. yup, I went to a prep school in the 70's.....

Albeit a few years before rapie rape face, but to me, boofing was NOT farting.

There were several words that sounded like that (including the one he used) - they refereed to the sound intercourse can make when air is forced into the vagina during aggressive sex. Sounds like a fart, but is very, very, different.

Sorry if that is too crude/graphic........... My 60 y.o. self doesn't hold a lot of punches these days.

[fierywoman]

99. I've got 7 years on you so I'm ROFLOL-ing at your clear descriptions!

[DesertRat]

103. His yearbook page includes the phrase, "Judge, have you boofed yet?"

So he expects us to think that means fart?

[3catwoman3]

126. The "yet" doesn't fit in with a body function ...

...that would be as common as passing gas.

I don’t know who or why, but someone has studied that and the average human passes gas 14 times a day.

Sorry if that is TMI.

[DesertRat]

127. You're right

Kavanaugh thinks we're all stupid.

[RKP5637]

13. That's my though too, he wants to try to save his current job. He will say it's for the good of the

country and blah blah blah and likely drag in god, faith and tRump will back him, saying how horrible the dems and others are. IMO Both know they are damn guilty.

[vlyons]

46. I hope his rotten ass gets impeached

His lies under oath should be enough of a reason. Hell, I hope he does jail time for lying under oath.

[RKP5637]

49. He's so damn hollow, you can see through him like a window. Everything he said, his body language,

everything, was textbook lying.

[Upthevibe]

14. I agree. n/t

[asiliveandbreathe]

15. Is there a new hashtag - #haveagoodweekendkav - eom

[Achilleaze]

16. True

[List left]

17. It's not over until the frat man sinks!!!!! nt

[Pendrench]

19. I like that - funny and clever.

[malaise]

22. DUzy

[AndJusticeForSome]

18. Depends if the FBI is allowed to question him

Is it possible they can't or won't?

[Owl]

20. My fear is the investigation won't have enough time

Or resources to finalize anything which will give Kav the green light. Asshole Kav will then claim exoneration.

[mobeau69]

104. According to three experts on CNN tonight

this will be pud for the FBI. An ex-assistant FBI director said it won't take a week. Said they should wrap it up in about 5 days. Damn, they must be really good at this shit! The gal said this isn't a mafia or terrorist investigation. I guess it's no big deal for the professionals. Brett may have trouble sleeping tonight.

[True Blue American]

119. The agents fan out.experts for different things

They said they could have 50 agents.

[Blue Owl]

21. Let his nightmare begin

[defacto7]

23. True, if it's a real one.

[Calista241]

29. I don't believe that. You're talking about an event 36 years ago.

As far as i know, the FBI investigation Flake is referring to only pertains to Ford's allegations, and not into anything else.

Ford hasn't identified a time or a place. There won't be emails or texts they can subpoena. Phone records won't be available. No street cameras or camera phone footage will be available. There's no chance at any physical evidence.

All of the people she's indicated were there are on record as saying they don't remember such an event taking place. 2 of them have signed out affidavits on this, and will be in legal jeopardy if they recant / change their testimony. Kavanaugh's 2 friends will have lawyers sitting next to them ensuring they don't place themselves in further legal jeopardy regardless of the truth. If Ms. Keyser changes her statement now, it will be considered very suspect.

This was never about putting Kavanaugh in jail, or convicting him of a crime. It's about labeling him as a rapist because Ford is believable, and getting Senators to vote against him. But if it comes down to actual physical or convict-able proof, I feel the FBI investigation will come up wanting.

[Chakaconcarne]

33. The FBI will uncover more than the hearing...

and the more that is uncovered, in addition to what comes out over the next week should give us all some glimmer of hope.

He may not get convicted, but if he doesn't make it to scotus.........

[marylandblue]

57. Kavanaugh's calendar shows that the Party took place on July 1, 1982

And it lists the names of people who said the party never happened. It identifies some of the people who Ford said were there, including the person who lived at the house (who we haven't heard from yet). It shows that the purpose of the party was to drink beer, and Kavanaugh said he never drunk underage and never went to parties during the week.

Mitchell was zeroing in on all this when Graham cut her off.

Which means he committed perjury and the Republicans on the committee know it. The perjury is going to kill Kavanaugh.

[secondwind]

32. Can the FBI look into Kavanaugh's finances? And the gambling debt?

[democratic friend]

54. I heard the scope was narrow to the accusations

Unless he paid them off, I don’t think that’s included.

[INdemo]

34. Agree. All that has to happen is for a witness to confrim

Kavanagh was there at the party when and where Dr. Ford was.Then its over.
After he withdraws the Democrats will be blamed for ruining his career.

the look on his wife's face yesterday I believe confirms that he was lying during testimony.

[Initech]

35. Two things:

1. Under any kind of spotlight, Kavanaugh will blow up faster than the Hindenburg.

2. In the off chance he *DOESN'T* get confirmed, guaranteed Orange Douche and Pooty will have someone much scarier waiting in the wings. This is a clear smoke and mirrors operation.

Also a third thing:

3. Fuck Trump, the Koch Brothers, and Putin.

[neohippie]

36. Not sure why this doesn't automatically disqualify him

Kavanaugh has lied under oath to the Senate previously

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/five-times-brett-kavanaugh-appears-to-have-lied-to-congress-while-under-oath/


Five Times Brett Kavanaugh Appears to Have Lied to Congress While Under Oath
Pesky documents keep surfacing to contradict the nominee’s claims about his past.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[neohippie]

43. And more proof Kavanaugh is trying to mislead the comittee

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/28/heres-where-kavanaughs-sworn-testimony-was-misleading-or-wrong/?utm_term=.97453c206b1b


The article above should be damning

[uponit7771]

108. KB seems to keep lying when the truth with her better

[beachbum bob]

39. what ever is found is official and can be used to impeach and remove from the federal bench for lyin

to congress

[zentrum]

40. A one-week scrutiny

......which is all the Repukes are going to allow will expose very little.

Can't do a real investigation in one week. It's just ass-covering rhetoric.

[AdamGG]

41. It should be a TWO WEEK investigation

I think they spent 3 weeks investigating Anita Hill. One week is so short that, depending on how many people the FBI puts on the task, there could still be plenty of loose ends. If they are going to actually pause for a break, it's idiotic not to do it right and give the FBI at least two weeks look into things in more depth.

The idea of looking at Dr. Ford's charges, but doing it in a ridiculously abbreviated hearing, with Senators only allotted 5 minutes each, and then in a rushed one week investigation is stupid. This is a lifetime appointment to a position at the heart of our democracy functioning correctly and the constant rush for artificial deadlines is complete bullshit. I really hope this costs the R's in November more than they imagined.

[john657]

106. 3 days, not 3 weeks.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/19/politics/anita-hill-clarence-thomas-allegations-timeline/index.html

The FBI did investigate Anita Hill's accusation, and it took 3 days

[mr_liberal]

44. There's no evidence. Its just her word against his.

And Mark Judge will lie. The only hope to stop him is that the FBI will be able to get Judge to tell the truth, and that will be a very difficult thing to do.

[marylandblue]

60. There is a lot of evidence he lied to the Committee

He said he was not at the party, but his calendar shows that he was. He was an idiot to submit that calendar. It shows he's a liar.

[WillowTree]

122. The calendar shows that he was at A party.

And the calendar names people as being at that gathering that aren't part of her account. Unless at least one of the other people who he names as being there can attest to Dr. Ford and her friend also being there at that party and that they have reason to believe that what she claims actually happened that night, it's a big nothing.

[rzemanfl]

71. Bookmarking. I have to wash socks. n/t

[ChubbyStar]

102. Me too!

The socks are always confusing to wash, I seem to misplace the matching pairs!

[Ilsa]

45. As soon as Mark Judge tells him he can't find his passport,

Kava will bow out.

[procon]

47. Even if he withdraws from the SCOTUS position, his biases make him unqualified

to be a judge on any court. He needs to be disbarred for lying to congress under oath.

[redstatebluegirl]

48. But but it isn't fair it was promised to me!!!

Feet stomping face red....

[RockRaven]

50. Kavanaugh and Judge will both answer with a lot of "I don't remember" and "I'm not sure"

and there is an artificially short timeline. I'm not counting him out yet.

[MontanaMama]

53. Just heard on MSNBC

that Dotard ways the FBI investigation must be "limited in scope". Kelly O'Donnell is defining that as described issues by Jeff Flake.

[Mc Mike]

55. The guy that nominated him cannot withstand the scrutiny of the Nevada Gaming Commission. rec, nt

[at140]

58. Kavanaugh already has experience with many FBI background investigations

That is not what he is worried about. What he fears is more women come out in the open to accuse him. A sexual predator never can be cured or stopped.

[bringthePaine]

59. seen this shitshow too many times

alcoholism in my family has had brutal
consequences - I’d be willing to wager
heavily that Kava-not was at least liberally
dosed (ha irony! but what I saw was a perfect
version of the elevated tolerance of somebody
with a HUGE problem) when he threw his
tantrum of an interview before the commitee;
I’d like to see every subsequent utterance
rejected unless blood-tested and under oath;
I know a miserable drunk when I see one;
fear of several truths run deep in him...

[unitedwethrive]

61. Given that he only got through the hearing yesterday by changing every question to fit his

"I spent high school studying, playing basketball and going to church" narrative...in order to kill the five minute limit of each senator.

[JuJuYoshida]

62. One of the 950 things that pisses me off about this

is how Kavanaugh is being painted as a victim and especially how these allegations are "ruining his life."

FUCK YOU. It's a job interview for one of the 20 most important jobs in America. Maybe try not raping people, you fucking rapist.

[enid602]

65. Giuliani

tRump should have Giuliani transfer his NY FBI buddies down to DC. Only they can assure the results that Cheeto wants.

[Awsi Dooger]

68. I think we're placing far too much faith in the term FBI investigation

How much can they do, 36 years later?

Probably interviews of the same people and maybe a little bit more digging.

As a handicapper I think it is a major underdog that anything conclusive will turn up, given the variables we are aware of.

Brett Kavanaugh is obviously scared but he knows everything. When you know everything you are scared the investigators will find everything. But investigators cannot read minds.

[colorado_ufo]

78. Perhaps, but -

I think that they will be motivated.

[MichMan]

85. If they don't find anything conclusive the Republicans will be able to claim he was exonerated

[Awsi Dooger]

87. Not only that, but Trump will use it as evidence of witch hunts everywhere

I just made a long related comment on Predictit. There is considerable danger here that I don't think is being evaluated properly. Republicans really don't have any semblance of effective messaging right now toward the midterm. But this Kavanaugh situation potentially hands them one on a silver platter.

Let's say the FBI turns up nothing on Kavanaugh and he is confirmed. Donald Trump will immediately chirp and chirp on twitter and everywhere else. His approval rating goes up. That is absolutely guaranteed.

Then he takes to the midterm and says can you believe Democrats attacked such a great American as Brett Kavanaugh? They wasted time that could have been devoted to making America great again. He starts saying that the Russia investigation and everything else is likewise a partisan witch hunt that will turn up nothing and is merely taking longer to play out.

I am very good at situational impact. We better hope Kavanaugh is disqualified because if it plays out as I described above, the blue wave takes a hit.

[Calista241]

100. I agree, this FBI investigation will turn up jack shit in 7 days.

And from next Friday until the end of time, Donald fucking Trump will be able to call it "just another Kavanaugh type accusation," and a significant portion of the population will believe it.

He'll be calling it another Duke Lacrosse situation, and use it to label anyone alleging something like this against a Republican.

And what's worse, if Trump gets to appoint ANOTHER justice, they'll use this to inoculate the next nominee.

[tblue37]

77. He has already been nominated. What he is up for now is confirmation. nt

[catbyte]

80. I suppose it depends on how "narrow" dotard is ordering it to be.

I'm not optimistic.

[bucolic_frolic]

130. Me neither

I think the OP on this one is a bit off. He's showing no signs of withdrawing, he just gets nastier as time goes by. Just like Trump.

[Hortensis]

82. Limited investigation. Simple story.

What does "limited" mean? Just how limited will the FBI be?

Too many are saying they probably feel ramming him on is still the less damaging of the courses available to them. The good of the nation never made their list of goals, of course, so neither goes there.

[keithbvadu2]

86. Or does he mean not allowed to find anything detrimental to Kav?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142167586

"...must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week,”

https://nypost.com/2018/09/28/trump-orders-fbi-investigation-into-kavanaugh/

Like Benghazi?

Finding the truth is limited here.

Or does he mean not allowed to find anything detrimental to Kav?

[Nitram]

88. Don't underestimate the loyalty of his crowd of in-kids and Republicans.

[budkin]

92. After all this he's not bowing out now

It'll be up to the senators to vote no.

[Sidthelib]

95. Heck yeah, he's done!

The FBI is going to find some evidence from back then to put his nomination away. He’s done!

[nature-lover]

96. If he had credibility, he lost it yesterday. Especially with women.

[onenote]

98. If I had a nickel for every post on DU predicting Kavanaugh's imminent withdrawal......

[B Stieg]

105. Plus, they're gonna find something!

The FBI should look back to Thursday, 7-1-82 at Timmie Gaudette's house in Rockville, Maryland, for starters.

REGISTER and VOTE!

[pangaia]

113. of course not. That's why the whole 'investigation' thing is a joke.

Fake, useless, rigged.. whatever you wish to call it..

[Nitram]

124. It totally depends on the investigation. No one is under oath, there is no subpoena power, the FBI

will decide who to interview. I'm not confident they will turn up anything meaningful. Unless they can prove he tampered with the calendar.

[ROB-ROX]

125. THIS IS JUST HIS REPEAT

He has already completed a few investigations. This is just a repeat with NEW facts. I do not see him being BLOCKED. I have gone through my own $10,000 government paid classified investigation. They interviewed my block and those people did not know me or my classified job. They can only look for stuff they KNOW what they are looking for in their investigation. It also depends on what they are the looking.....I think he has enough "friends" to get through another investigation..........SAD

[Charlotte Little]

128. What FBI Investigation?

You all think this is still an investigation? Then I have bridges to sell you! Hurry, two for one!

This is just a cabaret show for a week to distract and cover-up. Kavanaugh will be voted in next Friday. Trump is controlling the investigation, which means it will limited no matter how much he and that bitch Conway say it's unlimited in well-orchestrated soundbites. The FBI is crippled and will dig up nothing, because they can't even interview Julie Swetnick, FFS. Plus, on top of that, the report won't be released to the public. And even if it leaks, it will be a nothing-burger.

We've all be duped and this is just really bad theater. Did you hear? 100s of children were moved in the middle of the night to tent cities in Texas.

Smoke and mirrors...

[MadDAsHell]

129. Exactly. I don't even particularly care about the truth at this point...

Just delay delay delay by any means necessary. I don’t care what story it takes or even if it’s likely to be true. Every day delayed reduces the chance of this abomination getting in.

[Ohioboy]

131. He'll be able to withstand it if they make it weak and limit it enough

All the republicans and Trump will want to do is have it look like an honest investigation.

[Texin]

132. Well, lucky for Kavvie he won't be getting one.