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RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:22 PM Sep 2018

How much faith do you have the FBI report will be legitimate?

We are getting duplicitous bullshit from Kelly Ann and Sara regarding if the White House is limiting the witness list (yes) and scope of the FBI investigation (yes).

This week has only opened up new battle lines, and seems to be an orchestrated show to NOT get to the truth, but delay and impede it.

I hope the public exercises extreme heat to demand the FBI investigation has not already been compromised!!



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How much faith do you have the FBI report will be legitimate? (Original Post) RiverStone Sep 2018 OP
None StarryNite Sep 2018 #1
I have no faith. NONE. Vote! is all I can say. nt CharleyDog Sep 2018 #2
Zip. dhol82 Sep 2018 #3
Zero Generic Brad Sep 2018 #4
Then what, if anything, will be the check to this choreographed fictional "report"? RiverStone Sep 2018 #9
Zero, and people need to be voicing this BEFORE the results are known. RockRaven Sep 2018 #5
I couldn't say. CrispyQ Sep 2018 #6
Yes! And I think there's a deliberate . . . peggysue2 Sep 2018 #22
I can only hope for 2naSalit Sep 2018 #7
We asked for FBI investigation, now we are going to question it? Hoyt Sep 2018 #8
We asked for a (((legitimate))) FBI investigation, not one controlled by the White House Council RiverStone Sep 2018 #13
What is illegitimate at this point? Evidence please. Hoyt Sep 2018 #15
Link below (one of many examples) RiverStone Sep 2018 #17
There seems to conflicts in link, but if FBI can't find condemning information Hoyt Sep 2018 #21
If the investigation is a Republican sham then it is like no investigation. ooky Sep 2018 #18
The FBI report will be 100% legitimate Brother Buzz Sep 2018 #10
No joke. The spinning will be unprecedented. Hoyt Sep 2018 #16
It's going to be interesting to see how much of the report gets leaked, and how fast Brother Buzz Sep 2018 #23
Zero davekriss Sep 2018 #11
Not much. They only have time to skim the surface a bit, and that's all. VOX Sep 2018 #12
Zero matt819 Sep 2018 #14
Zero. llmart Sep 2018 #19
100% absolutely. n/t Raven Sep 2018 #20
None. Polly Hennessey Sep 2018 #24
It depends. SubjectTrip Sep 2018 #25
We need to protest and call. liberalmuse Sep 2018 #26
Rule #3 violetpastille Sep 2018 #27
It would depend on what people inside the FBI want. Turbineguy Sep 2018 #28
I have no idea, but it's a damn sight better than ICE conducting the investigation. dameatball Sep 2018 #29

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
4. Zero
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:26 PM
Sep 2018

I have faith in the FBI to execute exactly as instructed. The problem is with the instructions and constraints placed on them. Republicans only agreed to this because the investigation parameters were set up to ignore facts and ensure Kavenaugh's nomination can move to a floor vote.

RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
9. Then what, if anything, will be the check to this choreographed fictional "report"?
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:31 PM
Sep 2018

On temperament alone, Kavanaugh is wholly not qualified for the SCOTUS. Add conspiracy paranoia etc.

Jeff Flake is simply feeding a false narrative to protect tRump from ever being held accountable as a criminal!

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
5. Zero, and people need to be voicing this BEFORE the results are known.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:27 PM
Sep 2018

People in Maine, Alaska, West Virginia, Arizona, and EVERYWHERE really, need to make it clear that we know this is a sham, and won't accept it as the fig leaf Flake et al were looking for.

CrispyQ

(36,452 posts)
6. I couldn't say.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:29 PM
Sep 2018

I'm sure there's a contingent of trumpers in the bureau, but for the most part I think the FBI hates Trump.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
22. Yes! And I think there's a deliberate . . .
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:55 PM
Sep 2018

attempt to muddy the water from the WH messaging: the investigation will be limited, the investigation will be open, Republicans will call for an investigation of Democrats, DiFi specifically, yada, yada.

It's laughable that the Trumpster is now beating the drum for the FBI when he's spent nearly 2 years attempting to destroy the Bureau and the DOJ.

Sow confusion is the main strategy and hope the FBI finds nothing so they can push their boy through.

God knows what's going on behind the scenes, things we're simply not privy to. So, I have no idea what sort of investigation this will be. But I remain cautiously optimistic because that's my nature and because that's all we have at the moment.

2naSalit

(86,524 posts)
7. I can only hope for
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:30 PM
Sep 2018

any pertinent info to find its way into the special counsel's hands and gets dealt with from there.

RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
13. We asked for a (((legitimate))) FBI investigation, not one controlled by the White House Council
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:34 PM
Sep 2018

Huge difference!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. What is illegitimate at this point? Evidence please.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:40 PM
Sep 2018

I get the skepticism, but why have several senators ask for an investigation during hearing, get one when it looked like full Senate vote would occur tomorrow, then start grousing?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. There seems to conflicts in link, but if FBI can't find condemning information
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:53 PM
Sep 2018

regarding Ford or Rameriz, we are in trouble.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
18. If the investigation is a Republican sham then it is like no investigation.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:45 PM
Sep 2018

If that's the case I expect the same Senators who requested it to reject it when it comes back without investigating the specific things they wanted investigated.

Brother Buzz

(36,412 posts)
10. The FBI report will be 100% legitimate
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:32 PM
Sep 2018

However, interpreting and spinning the report is where the fun and games begin. Bank on it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. No joke. The spinning will be unprecedented.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:44 PM
Sep 2018

There will even be Senators, on both sides, who will say they don’t care what investigation shows, they are voting for or against Kad.

Brother Buzz

(36,412 posts)
23. It's going to be interesting to see how much of the report gets leaked, and how fast
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:57 PM
Sep 2018

Redactions, Baby, dig out the Sharpie®.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
12. Not much. They only have time to skim the surface a bit, and that's all.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 03:34 PM
Sep 2018

They lack the time and the go-ahead to investigate deeper.

 

SubjectTrip

(79 posts)
25. It depends.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 04:02 PM
Sep 2018

If the FBI straight up says "the limitations placed upon us prevented us from doing a proper investigation" it could carry some weight.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
26. We need to protest and call.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 04:16 PM
Sep 2018

I called a list of alleged undecideds the other night, including Flake. Even a short voicemail is better than wringing our hands waiting for someone in authority to do the right thing. It's easy to feel powerless by yourself, but there are millions of us who are against Kavanaugh, Trump and the GOP agenda and we can make a difference. Hell, if everyone of us just called one undecided Senator, that would be huge! There's only a few who have full voicemail boxes, so I let them know via Twitter.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
27. Rule #3
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 04:17 PM
Sep 2018

Rule #3: Institutions will not save you. It took Putin a year to take over the Russian media and four years to dismantle its electoral system; the judiciary collapsed unnoticed. The capture of institutions in Turkey has been carried out even faster, by a man once celebrated as the democrat to lead Turkey into the EU. Poland has in less than a year undone half of a quarter century’s accomplishments in building a constitutional democracy.

-How to Survive an Autocracy
Masha Gessen November 10, 2016

Turbineguy

(37,315 posts)
28. It would depend on what people inside the FBI want.
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 04:31 PM
Sep 2018

Politicians come and go (even though some stay too long).

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