Whatever the FBI finds, Kavanaugh will NOT be confirmed for SCOTUS

[crazytown]

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I got into Yale Law School. That’s the number one law school in the country. I had no connections there. I got there by busting my tail in college. Kavanaugh under Oath to the Senate.

Everett Edward Kavanaugh, Brett’s grandfather, attended Yale as an undergraduate student. Everett’s Name appears Yale’s 1928 year book. Brett Kavanaugh was a Yale legacy Student.

https://www.newsweek.com/kavanaugh-said-he-had-no-connections-yale-he-was-legacy-student-1145286

That’s it. There’s no way out. No wriggle room. However faulty Kavanaugh recollection of events 30+ years ago may be there’s no doubt at all he would be aware of his family’s connection with Yale. It’s as open and shut as you can get – Lying under Oath.

Flake was asked on 60 minutes If Judge Kavanaugh is shown to have lied to the committee, (his) nomination’s over? Oh yes, Flake responded.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bb1e515e4b0343b3dc1c83d

There may be no way out for Kavanaugh, but Kav’s pathetic little lie provides a very welcome out for Flake and his flakettes, the GOP, Trump and conservative jurists. The last thing they want is to have a protracted discussion about a how an apparatchik with a drinking problem and a ‘checkered’ past came to be nominated for the highest court in the land.

Whatever the FBI’s findings Flake et al will try to zero in on Kav’s pathetic little lie, with the tacit support of the Republican leadership, conservative jurists, and I’d wager the Chief Justice. Kavanaugh testimony backfired Big Time. He is figure of fun, of ridicule, at least for those women who don’t recognise the angry abusive men who have traumatised them and their friends.

Kavanaugh was the guy who was supposed to cement a conservative majority on SCOTUS. He is compromised. Trump will dump him – he’s loyal to no one. I expect we will here something like “Judge Kavanaugh mad a stupid mistake. It’s a tragedy. He’s a brilliant man, but I’m deferring to the Senate”

End of Story.

EDIT: It may be that Kavaugh’s statement he had no connection to Yale Law School is not clear cut perjury. If so I apologise for posting a dead end . Time is too short for sloppy mistakes. Sorry.

[Siwsan]

1. Under normal circumstances, it would be one of the lies that should disqualify him

But we are not existing under normal circumstances. The GOP will do what they want, regardless of the rules or even the laws.

[crazytown]

5. Flake said on lie and he's out on 60 mins

It’s hard to back out of that.

[Siwsan]

14. I hope I'm wrong, but I will bet his promises are empty.

He, Collins, etc, will likely come up with some rationalization of their vote for him.

[Hortensis]

55. Probably meant politically or legally significant lie, something

people can understand. He told obvious whopper after whopper, after all, but they're waiting for the investigation to reveal a lie or...

An awful lot of people, on both sides, think being nominated confers some kind of right to the seat, that it's effectively Kavanaugh's already.

[marylandblue]

2. I don't see them caring about that

He can argue that his grandfather wasn't a factor in his case and there is no documentation to say otherwise.

[Hoyt]

13. I agree, that might not be deemed a "significant" lie. Now, other ones . . . . . .

I don't even think Democratic Senators would push that one. Again, his biggest lies were trying to cover up what his yearbook page meant, disputing Dr. Ford's accusations, etc.

[unitedwethrive]

3. Your premise would be relying on Flake being honest in his statements.

It is possible that part of the backroom discussions before they agreed to a limited FBI investigation was for him to publicly make statements saying that if the FBI found wrongdoing that he would vote against Kav. This calms the Democratic side and makes us thinking that at least someone on the other side is being fair minded. It also brings down the level of vitriol the repubs have to face this week.

With the limited scope of the FBI investigation, they will certainly come back saying that there is no way to definitively prove that an assault ever happened (and no mention of lying before the committee), and Flake will take the lead saying that he now feels comfortable voting for him.

Okay, I may be a "keg is half empty" kind of gal, but fool me once...

[crazytown]

32. My pemise is, having made a unambiguous public statement

on top rating TV, it will cost Flake dearly if he goes backs out. The law is clear. The facts are clear. He would be risking a lot to deny it.

[Kablooie]

4. Nonsense. Lying under oath is perfectly acceptable...

For Republicans. Trump has made that the gold standard for them.
Sure they will say it's disqualifying but that's just another lie.

[crazytown]

9. If this wasn't a judicial issue

I might agree.

[unc70]

6. He lied about the drinking age

Kavanaugh was still 17 when Maryland raised the drinking age to 21 on July 1, 1982. That just happens to be the date of the "skis" party in his calendar.

[radical noodle]

7. That's an optimistic scenario

I think there's a good chance they'll send him through and confirm. Not because he's a good candidate but because they have the power to do so.

[crazytown]

11. The fact it's a small lie

compared to the monstrous sexual assault is the very reasons Republicans will go for it.

[radical noodle]

30. I can hear their excuses now

"Well, anyone would lie to the Senate about THAT."

[onenote]

8. I'll take that bet.

[FBaggins]

10. He's already been appointed to SCOTUS

Everett Edward Kavanaugh, Brett’s grandfather, attended Yale as an undergraduate student. Everett’s Name appears Yale’s 1928 year book. Brett Kavanaugh was a Yale legacy Student.

That's actually incorrect. Yale Law School did give a slight bump for "legacy" students when they were connected to other law school graduates. Attending Yale as an undergraduate would not have provided his grandson with that bump.

IIRC - it works both ways. Being a legacy for YLS also does you no good for Yale undergrad.

[crazytown]

12. It's not about bumps. Kav's said he had No Connection

To them . I don’t care how hard he worked his tail

[FBaggins]

24. Good luck getting Collins/Flake/etc. to agree with you

Almost anyone would read his statement as a claim that he couldn't have been a falling-down drunk because such a student wouldn't have made it into YLS and he got in without help. You refute that by trying to claim that a grandfather graduating from Yale means that he was a legacy. I think that's wrong in at least two regards (Legacy almost always requires a graduate parent - not grandparent - and a Yale graduate wouldn't make him a YLS legacy anyway)... but it doesn't matter whether or not you agree with me...

... because all that matters is whether the swing votes on his confirmation agree with you.

There's zero chance of that happening.

[crazytown]

29. Flake made an unambiguous Staten on 60mins

He can renounce it but it will cost him dearly.

[FBaggins]

33. You seem to get very creative with claiming what people meant by what they said

Flake was clearly talking about if the FBI investigation showed that he was lying about not assaulting Ford.

You need to pay attention to the difference between saying something under oath that turns out not to be 100% true and "lying under oath".

For instance. Ford testified that she ran into Judge a few weeks after the assault at a local Safeway. We now know that Safeway wasn't in that shopping center until a few years later (it was an Albertsons). This was clearly a statement under oath that was not true... but it isn't "lying under oath". It's just a mistake.

[maxsolomon]

15. Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem

From your mouth to God's ears.

I don't have that level of optimism. 2016 beat it out of me permanently.

[JCMach1]

16. They don't care

From the dirty deal to get Kennedy out, this is NOT normal...

[leftynyc]

17. Hate to break this to you

But he'll likely be sitting on the court by this time next week.

[crazytown]

27. Wanna bet?

You can nominate something on Amazon.

[leftynyc]

35. Nominate something on Amazon?

What does that mean? And by the way, this isn't a game and I hope every single person that voted for donnie, didn't vote or voted 3rd party gets what's coming to them.

[crazytown]

60. Hey man, it was a joke

I should have put in a smilie to make it clearer. No this isn’t a game, it’s deadly serious. The hallmark of fascism is debauching government institutions. Here we go again. Until Kavanaugh gave his testimony I thought he was an highly partisan, ideological ‘conservative’. W lobbied for this poisonous viper. Figures.

[leftynyc]

67. My apologies

This subject has me very hot headed. And I didn't want this turd on the court long before we found out he was a slovenly drunk and a likely sexual predator.

[USALiberal]

38. LOL, ok! Nt

[berksdem]

18. I am sorry but this seems

a bit naive. Wishful thinking that I hope would become true but I really don't see any of this disqualifying Blackout Brett or this swaying any vote on the GOP side.

[crazytown]

22. The facts and the law is clear

Kavanaugh perjured himself is the most unabiguous way possible when he said he had no connections to Yale

[berksdem]

54. yet, here we are and if this investigation

does not produce anything he will be the SC Justice.

That GOP could care less about his lies... they endorse it.

[asiliveandbreathe]

19. May I change just one word from the third paragraph....

Kavanaugh was the guy who was supposed to cement a conservative majority on SCOTUS...

Kavanaugh was the guy who was supposed to cement a religious majority on SCOTUS.

[Autumn]

20. So he lied. You really think the Republicans will have any fucks to give over his lies?

To them thats a bonus.

[crazytown]

23. This is a straightforward matter of law

There is no wiggle room.

[Autumn]

31. The law does not matter to them, they know he lied. They knew he lied in 07

in the hearings when they seated him on the district court.

[crazytown]

34. The connection to Yale is easy for the public to understand

and not political. If they want to dump Kavaugh it’s a piece of Cake. If they don’t, it will be a disaster for SCOTUS’s reputation. I don’t really see that happening. Yes, I could be wrong, but this is about a credible 5-4 conservative majority, not a nominee with personal issues.

[unitedwethrive]

21. The FBI is not investigating any of this.

We are being played.

[crazytown]

25. The FBI does not have to investigate wether Kavanaugh has connection to Yale.

It’s on the public record.

[people]

26. Kavanaugh almost certainly will be on the Sup Ct

The chances of Flake or Collins voting against Kavanaugh are Zero. They both support the policies of the right, they both are republicans. Murkowski has spoken less, but even if a miracle happened and she voted against Kavanaugh she's not enough to stop this. Unless the FBI investigation interviewed enough witnesses who all but conclusively showed he was lying he will be on the Supreme Court. The FBI is not going to do that. It's a sham investigation and Flake is trying to appear reasonable to both sides in case he decides to run for office in a few years.

[crazytown]

28. We have Flakes public statement to the contrary.

What more can I say. It will f’up his future if he flips.

[RhodeIslandOne]

42. What future?

If he votes no on Kavanaugh, he loses the lobbying job he’s sliding into next year.

You really aren’t thinking this through very well.

[Eliot Rosewater]

48. He wants to be prez, so you have something here. Personally I will work

20 hours a week or more making sure he is NEVER prez if he flips.

[crazytown]

63. "The Conscience of a Conservative"

Flake said if he was running for re-election he would confirm Kavanaugh. He’s a slimy viper.

[NeverTrumpDemocrat]

36. He lied about so much, but NOT about this --

He did not claim he got into Yale College as an undergraduate without connections.

He instead said that he got into Yale Law School without connections. I think this is true.

There is a huge difference between Yale College (undergrad) and Yale Law School.

Yale is one of 7 Ivy League undergraduate colleges. Harvard is generally seen as #1, but Harvard is merely the first amongst equals. At least in terms of Harvard, Yale and Princeton, they're all about equal status and equally difficult to be accepted into.

Yale Law School has for as long as I can remember been head and shoulders above all other law schools as considered the real #1 without any real competitors for that title. It is MUCH harder to get into Yale Law than it is into Harvard Law, Columbia Law, etc.

Kavanaugh is an overgrown rapey frat boy with alcohol, cocaine and anger problems and has no place on the Supreme Court, but he did NOT mislead or lie on the particular point you raised.

To be admitted into Yale Law School, he almost certainly was, as he said, in Cross Campus Library at Yale studying hard to get excellent grades. I don't think his legacy status at Yale College would have helped to get into Yale Law School. Doesn't mean he didn't have time to get drunk and be abusive to women.

[crazytown]

37. I can only reply there are a dozen articles out there

In respected journals who disagree with you . Incontrovertible perjury etc.

[NeverTrumpDemocrat]

39. And they're all missing the distinction I pointed out.

There was so much he did lie about --

not drinking on weekends (the July 1st gathering), not drinking to excess (the 100 Keg Club), vomiting because he has a "weak stomach", claiming the "Devils Triangle" is a type of drinking game, claiming "boofing" meant farting, etc. etc.

He never said he got into Yale College out of high school without connections. He said he got into Yale Law School without connections. That was a self-serving, irrelevant self-glorification in the context of the hearing, but there's no reason to think it was a lie.

[crazytown]

40. Does not his family connection to Yale

His Grandfather, give him any advantage whatsoever for the law school. His grandfather was an attorney and an alumni. He was in no sense a legacy student?

[crazytown]

41. Addendum: Just what sort of connection to the Law School

could Kavanaugh have had?

[NeverTrumpDemocrat]

44. If he had a relative who had attended the Law School, that would have helped.

Especially if the relative had been a generous donor to the Law School as an alumnus.

[NeverTrumpDemocrat]

43. I can't say for sure, but I really don't think it would help.

For one thing, Yale Law has its own separate endowment from Yale College, and of course would fundraise from its own alumni, not from Yale alumni in general.

I really don't think having a grandfather who went to Yale College as an undergrad would help you when applying to Yale Law School, and I don't think that's unusual -- in many universities, undergraduate colleges and graduate schools have completely separate cultures and traditions.

The for once honestish point Kav was trying to make was that he really was "busting his butt" at Yale College to have the academic record required for admittance into Yale Law School.

One other point: not only is Yale Law generally much more difficult to get into than Harvard Law or Columbia Law, it also has much smaller class sizes -- it seems that currently, Harvard Law has a total enrollment of 2,000, Columbia's is over 1,200 while Yale Law's is merely 600 -- that's total enrollment.

[crazytown]

47. Facts - I appreciate facts. Thank you

Doesn’t appear that the Law School is too thrilled to be associated with Kavanaugh these days. His undignified testimony was embarrassing to this journeyman lawyer.

[NeverTrumpDemocrat]

49. Thank you for the civil exchange as well! Not surprised the Law School is not thrilled to

be associated with Kav these days.

And I'm sure that Chief Justice Roberts would be less than thrilled to be associated with Kavanaugh. I hope he's making some behind the scenes phone calls to his fellow Republicans!

Kavanaugh's testimony was horrible. His angry drunk partisan demeanor made me think of Judge Freisler, the Nazi, or Judge Jeffreys of the Bloody Assizes.

[Runningdawg]

45. Kavanaugh will be seated on the court

IF or when the Dems take back all 3 branches we can try for impeachment - that's our only hope. One more SCOUTS replacement for this administration and our gooses are all cooked. If the GOP hold in Nov, Thomas might just gift wrap it for them. Personally - I would like to see RBG throat punch him the first day.

[crazytown]

46. IfvChief Justice Roberts wants Kavanaugh on the Court he will be there

If he doesn’t, the game isn’t over. My 2c

[FakeNoose]

50. I cannot imagine that Roberts would want him on the SCOTUS bench

... especially not after his performance at the hearing last week. Who wants to work with a whining, sniveling a-hole who never takes responsibility for his own actions?

On the other hand, I don't believe Chief Justice Roberts will have the final say in this. I believe it's Cheeto's, who will do anything if he thinks it will save his own ass.

[crazytown]

56. Trump could be talked into dumping him

The approach would be that Trump was absolutely correct in choosing Kavanaugh, but then he let him down. One thing I do know, Trump despises the sort of heavy drinking that killed his elder brother. An advisor night say, ‘you couldn’t have known Donald - Alcoholics take great pains to hide it’.

My idea was, if the Yale connection was perjury, Trump could dismiss it as a stupid mistake and ‘let him go’.

[FakeNoose]

64. Yes I hope this will happen - smart play here

Make Cheeto think it's the "right thing" to do. Now he's the hero.

[Duppers]

51. When have LIES mattered to RETHUGIANS?

[lagomorph777]

52. Perjury is OK if you're a Republican. And as lies go, this one's just a fib.

Kavanaugh's real whoppers have to do with his theft of Democratic emails and exploiting them to jam previous judicial nominees through, when he was a staffer under Junior Bush.

[crazytown]

57. Yeah - but that's political

No connections to Yale isn’t. You can make an issue of it without enraging the base. That’s what I thought.

[matt819]

53. Funny thing about ancestors attending the Ivy League

I wasn't smart enough to get into the Ivy League, so I didn't even apply (this was the 1970s).

However. . . my wife was smart enough, and she applied and got in. She knew full well that her stepfather was a graduate - 1931 - and that at least one uncle was a graduate of the class of 1908. Turning to the present, my daughter also got in, and graduated in 2012.

Trust me, Ivy League attendees and graduates know whether their ancestors attended the same Ivy League schools. Maybe they were admitted as legacies, maybe they got in on their own records. But, again, trust me, they know that their ancestors attended.

[crazytown]

58. Well, you were smart enough to marry a smart woman

That’s more important than what school you got into

[matt819]

66. So she tells me ! (nt)

[Garrett78]

59. As if Republicans care that Kavanaugh has lied.

[crazytown]

61. No they don't care. Look at their President.

But if they want to dump him, they can hang their hats on little things.

[DrDan]

62. lol - of course he will be confirmed - this is a goal that is worth huge sacrifice - even losing

the majority in House or Senate.

The will control the SC for decades - HUGE! trump will have an advocate in the Court. Roe vs Wade gone - so another campaign promise kept. Worker's rights will be trampled.

The GOP will have won a campaign battle, albeit a somewhat small one. They can claim objectivity as they "allowed" an FBI investigation.

[crazytown]

65. There are other radical right Judges to choose from :-

Do you think if CJ Roberts had a choice, he’d want him on his court. Mitch has got all the time in the world if Trump decides to dump him. Yes it’s unlikely but not impossible. Kavanaugh is severely compromised.

[DrDan]

69. Mitch does not have all the time in the world. Closing the gap by only one senator would severely

hinder him.

No way will they let this guy get away. He is too important to trump considering his positions on presidential powers and protections.

[crazytown]

71. Well I hope you're wrong.

But I have to admit, when I think it can’t get any worse, it usually does.

Confirming Kavanaugh would be a political catastrophe for the GOP - a game changer like 1964. The blue wave would rise up into a Tsunami.

I do not want to see that freak on the Supreme Court. We will know soon enough I guess.

[Sancho]

68. I called Rubio's office...he's getting an earful...

We have a few more days to turn a few Senators against Kavirginaugh. Who knows - in Florida it's real close for governor and Nelson's senate seat.

There are a lot of pissed off people here, and I really hope they vote.

[crazytown]

70. There's part of that can't believe this is happening

But this is Trump’s GOP. Lies? Sexual Aassault? Follow the leader? W lobbied for Kav. What sort of country thinks rape is second order issue?