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Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:01 PM Oct 2018

If Flake has 2020 ambitions, is he screwed no matter how he votes on Kanenaugh?

If he votes no, that should piss off a lot of Republicans. If he votes yes, that should piss of a lot of independents and motivate Democrats. If he is only thinking politically , what would be in his best interest?

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Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
1. No way would he win either way.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:06 PM
Oct 2018

He would, of course, run as a Republican and they would never vote for him. The Dems won't either - they have their own better candidates. Independents wouldn't have the votes for a win. He should just do the right thing and get on with his life - out of politics.

brush

(53,771 posts)
16. Flake's timing is off and he's fooling himself if he thinks the repugs will welcome a primary...
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:37 PM
Oct 2018

challenger to trump.

He better find something to do until 2024.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. He had no chance before, he has no chance now
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:09 PM
Oct 2018

But he thinks what he does might make a difference. But I have no idea which meaningless choice he thinks is better for him.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. The White Knight theory.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:31 PM
Oct 2018

Romney will surface and start his campaign next year after the Mid Terms and he is seated in his Senate Seat.

Taraman

(373 posts)
4. Like Mitt Romney, he thinks he'll be the one to ride in on a white horse
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:16 PM
Oct 2018

and save the country and party. I honestly don't know, at this point, what will become of either of those, but if he's honestly trying, I'll accept any help we can get.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
5. Not if he votes for Kavanaugh, if he tosses his goodwill even for these so called leftists women
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:19 PM
Oct 2018

...then why run?

His attractiveness as a GOP primary candidate would be as an alternative to an increasingly radioactive Trump. His chief selling point would be his pull with independents and women Trump alienates - so what would he gain by voting yes?

If he votes yes, he's not running for president.

rurallib

(62,410 posts)
8. Flake is screwed either way - but his best chance would be to vote no
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:24 PM
Oct 2018

to at least show some daylight between him and Trump.

BUT ...... I bet Kasich is loving it.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
9. He's a politician without a party, so
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:30 PM
Oct 2018

yes, he is screwed no matter how he votes on Kavanaugh.

Unpopular in his own state, the party of Trump is not going to vote for him, and there is no home in the democratic party for his conservative views or voting record. Its hard to see him being on any ticket that has a realistic shot at the presidency.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. Flake is dead man walking
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:34 PM
Oct 2018

He has no constituency. No large group of Republicans are invested in him. No Democrats consider his actions to match his statements.

He tried to be too clever by half.

If he was going to go against Trump he should have gone full blast, never Trump and denouncing him frequently and voting against him, even leaving the Republican caucus.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
12. Kasich expressed support for his position.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:37 PM
Oct 2018

Kasich-Flake might be a ticket to oppose T-Rump. Kasich has been opposing him for a while. They wont win, it's the party of trump now.

Stuckinthebush

(10,844 posts)
14. If he plays this right, then he can work it
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:57 PM
Oct 2018

If he votes yes then he gets the applause from the GOP but the Trumpian base will never forgive him. He wouldn’t survive a primary.

If he votes no he pisses of the gop and the Trump voters are apoplectic. He will get more death threats and idiots in red hats screaming at him.

But a no vote after a very public conflicted Flake talks longingly of a softer time will give him independents and centrists Dems. He won’t be a presidential candidate but could be part of a combo ticket with a liberal Dem. It is a long shot but a better shot than a yes vote.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
15. He's like the Republican version of Terry McAuliffe
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:06 PM
Oct 2018

Kidding himself. Absolutely no chance given current priorities of his party at presidential nominating level

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