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(60,014 posts)and they are beating the crap out of us because they can get away with anything with no consequences - we've seen that for decades now.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Lots of investigations with severe consequences at the end.
theaocp
(4,236 posts)That's kind of defining "no consequences" for the bad guys. I say bring on Democratic majorities and let Benghazi be our template.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)2006, 2008, 2012 ...
It just feels like it since we have been losing lately. But well win again - IF we dont give up
tableturner
(1,681 posts)onecaliberal
(32,824 posts)It is our party that wants schools, jobs, healthcare, clean air and water, and a fair break for all people. I could go on. The media talks about none of that. Theyre too busy writing down what trump says every second of the day and then repeating it incessantly until he says some other stupid thing.
Liberal In Texas
(13,546 posts)I hate to be a "Dabbie Downer" but this life isn't a TV show. Or a feel-good movie.
Evil frequently dominates for years if not centuries. Think of the Crusades and NAZI Germany.
We can only strive to stop the forces of evil with one kind and compassionate act, one at a time.
An act of defiance in the face of abject evil.
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)global1
(25,241 posts)Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)
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oasis
(49,376 posts)issuesDemocrats
(91 posts)Also, the deck is stacked against us in terms of our system of government and elections.
And then there's racism and sexism...
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Or more accurately, our natural constituencies cannot be relied upon to vote.
The bad guys never miss a chance to made their voice heard by casting a ballot. If we had that level of motivation the world would be a much better place.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Stole the votes. Do you remember?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)with the myriad elections all over the country, especially in midterm elections. Youre focusing on one prize while we let the real goal of gaining control of Congress nd syate houses slide. The executive bench matters, but we need to remember the importance of legislative houses on both state and federal levels.
And if a few thousand more people in each of a handful of states had gotten off their asses and voted then Hillary would be getting shit done and be putting her second nominee on the SC. We got people out in 08 and failed to do so in 16. Our own damned fault.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Russia stole the election... ok...
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)That's why evil trash like McConnell, Grassley, Trump, Hatch, etc. are still alive.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,566 posts)The Democrats play nice.
There is a line in the movie 'Mississippi Burning' where Willem Dafoe says to Gene Hackman 'you mean we should get down in the gutter to fight these people (meaning the Klan) and Hackman responds ' Yes, because these people crawled up from the sewer'. I am paraphrasing but it was close to that.
I sometimes think the Democratic Party is torn between Hackman and Defoe and Defor always seems to be the one we listen to. I suggest we change our thinking.............
ooky
(8,922 posts)when we woke up on November 9, 2016.
Im not sure why that eludes so many people.
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rwheeler31
(6,242 posts)"an honest seeming white woman"
ms liberty
(8,572 posts)Do you like pizza?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,321 posts)CousinIT
(9,239 posts)Vinca
(50,261 posts)We have to start acting as if our lives depend on it . . . because they do.
betsuni
(25,462 posts)Democrats don't lose. Their wins are stolen, by whatever means necessary.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a massive electoral 2010 midterm win by the right. That huge success was part of the same giant right-wing conspiracy packing the courts with Kavanaughs is.
But we are a strong majority and we couldn't fail to overcome those huge handicaps without the special contribution of those on the left who didn't vote for the Democratic candidates. They didn't even vote to stop the obvious anti-democratic authoritarianism rising on the right. Some actually voted for it.
Some even claimed that staying silent in the face rising evil or actually voting against our candidate when Trump promised to persecute Muslims and immigrants was a matter of conscience. Hopefully, that is in the past. We need every mentally capable person on the lines.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The answer is in plain sight for any that chooses to see it. Just look at the 2000(prime case), 2004(he didn't excite people, even after two unjust wars started and thousands of dead Americans and hundreds of thousand dead others), and 2016(some wanted Bernie in the face of obvious danger).
If I meet a young woman who wrote in Bernie in the 2016 General or did not vote because she was pissed off about Hillary being our nominee and I find that she has recently been denied rights or victimized, though I would grieve for her, I would also conclude that she could have potentially changed her future and chose not to. Same rationale with an LGBTQ, Black, Hispanic person that made the same choice. People need to realize that when choices are stark, they must put bullshit aside and vote for the obvious best choice. Until that happens consistently, we will continue to lose eventhough we are the majority and by far, far, the most right.
zanana1
(6,110 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)the enemy. more specifically xtian hetero white male. and the women who depend on them.
they appeal to a single type.
while democrats are more diverse . not just in their personal backgrounds but their views on issues also. some are even conservative leaning but are turned off by the bigotry of the republicans .
anarch
(6,535 posts)More importantly, as several people have noted already, our apathetic population largely doesn't vote.
All we can reasonably do is steel ourselves, keep chipping away at the entrenched white supremacy in our culture, and get out the vote. I'm a congenital optimist when it comes to the long game--I think this current crop of reactionary fascists represents the last desperate attempt of what was once an insurmountable white male hegemony to hold on to power; sheer demographics will overcome them eventually...the vote this November will be crucial, but frankly even with a strong Democratic victory it's not like everything would be instantly fixed--we have a long slog ahead of us; with the stolen judiciary, I suspect it'll be another generation before we can really "take our country back," to borrow a phrase. I expect I'll be long gone by then, but I feel that progress is inevitable and our society will eventually move past this absurd situation we're in. (Or we'll all die in some horrific human-caused calamity, in which case we'll all be dead and our problems will be over...either way, we gotta just keep trying; fight these bastards to the last breath!)
SkipG
(70 posts)there's lots and lots of oligarch/corporate money to throw at a relatively small number of "conservative" issues that can spin up the rubes so they don't notice their pockets are being picked.
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)
agree to vote for the Democrat picked. Everyone. We need more than 50% as it's rigged, but we still have enough voters to win.
And, maybe, change the tone so the people can see... after listening to Susan Collins' speech, don't say, "My good friend..." anymore. Collins is not a friend to sex assault victims... unless they accuse a Democrat. Say it out loud. Collins thought Kavanaugh should get a promotion with a sham investigation; she thought Franken should resign with no investigation. That's the Republican way... SAY IT. Senators need to start pointing stuff out more...
Investigate Kavanaugh for perjury, if power is regained in the House of Representatives. Why is lying now acceptable for over-emotional Supreme Court nominees? Investigate Trump... Mueller will not be enough; after all, he is a Republican. Democrats need to investigate, for a change. STOP PLAYING FAIR... they don't!
lanlady
(7,134 posts)Said by Rick Moranis in the Darth Vader suit: "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb"
Like all good comedy, there's truth in it.
Amishman
(5,555 posts)Our base is very heavily concentrated in cities. Zero offices in this country are determined by nationwide popular vote. Geography matters and the locations of our support put us at a huge disadvantage.
Only two ways to fix it. Change the system to remove our geographic disadvantage or change our platform for broader appeal.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)I live and work in a rural area that was once very democratic. As the party became less interested in rural issues and more centered in cities, folks started voting republican. Our county carried Trump and now has a conservative representative.
The people are the same. They think the party walked away from them
Sancho
(9,067 posts)1.) the elections are hacked, and have been since 2000
2.) most people (in the US) don't vote
3.) the repubs are well-funded by a basket of deplorable, wealthy crooks
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)is owned by rich white guys that's not a democracy, its a oligarchy. Putin must be happy with grasshopper.
Freddie
(9,259 posts)The end result is that rural peoples votes count more than ours. I wish there was something we could do about it short of civil war. But as long as changing the system requires cooperation from those who are advantaged by it, change is never going to happen.
Even though the structure of the Senate is wrong IMO (giving land more power than people) its understandable why it was created. But the House was the one body that was *supposed* to represent the people, one person one vote. With gerrymandering, that is gone too. The solution is to end gerrymandering and greatly increase the size of Congress to, say, one rep per 400000 citizens. The size of Congress was set at 437 to limit the influence of big cities - which, 100 years ago, were teeming with recent immigrants. Nothing sacred about that number.
But these changes will never happen. In due time THE PEOPLE will get completely fed up with tyranny of the minority, and there will be a civil war.
Donkees
(31,381 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)and then look at our dismal performance in elections where too many democrats are simply too lazy to vote
we are here because we let it happen
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)are the main issues of the donor class. money still wins elections
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)MERRICK GARLAND.
This was all McConnell, he already knew what was coming down the pipeline, with the Russian interference.
Repigs are thugs just like their leader.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)or at least want to believe.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)It was great to hear from each of you. I hate that cheaters, liars and the rich have the advantage because they cheat, lie and throw money at the right places.
I honestly do not know how we get out of this quagmire. Yes, we must vote, but we won the vote in Nov 2016 and still "lost" because they cheated. We won the vote in 2000 and "lost" because they cheated.
It does seem as though they have gotten even better at cheating since then.
I will continue to vote AND to encourage others to vote, but it does seem as though we are in a downward spiral that is never ending.
GET OUT THE VOTE!!! I know of nothing more we can do.