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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:36 AM Oct 2018

Let's please stop with the "Democrats don't have a national message/aren't doing enough" criticisms

Here's the truth -

1. With the exception of 1994, a national message beyond broad brush strokes is not necessary and, in fact, is counterproductive in midterms. These Senate, Congressional and state races are run and won at a local level and most voters pay little attention to a "national message" when casting their votes. On the other hand, if manipulated effectively, a national message can be distracting and actually damaging to Democrats.

Candidates are properly focusing on their races and the issues that their constituents care about - healthcare, economic fairness and responsibility, human decency, social justice, government accountability, etc. - all of which are consistent with the national Democratic philosophy.

2. The concern about Democrats not bring "passionate" enough is misplaced . Most Democratic voters don't have the time or luxury to be passionate about politics - they're trying to get through each day - going to (or looking for) work, taking care of their children and/or parents, trying to figure out how to survive, etc.

They don't need to be told over and over what a trainwreck Trump is. They know that already and they're exhausted hearing about it. They don't need or have time to get all hepped up at rallies. They just want to know how the men and women running in their districts will make their lives better, or at least keep them from getting harder. They're not going to learn that with more ads or more television interviews by the House and Senate minority leaders. That required old-fashioned voter outreach, in their communities, in their churches, barbershops, community meetings, local candidate forums, on their doorsteps - one or two or ten or twenty voters at a time.

And voters need to be told and shown why their vote matters, that it's worth taking the time to cast their vote and that it will be counted. And that's still not enough. They don't need to hear this from a high-profile out-of-state politician - the most effective messenger is a friend or neighbor. And then, many of them need help in actually voting - getting to the polls, obtaining and turning in an absentee ballot, understanding how to actually fill out their ballot, etc.

And that's hard, determined work. It's not sexy or easy. It can be frustrating and exhausting. It's usually not laugh-out-loud fun - although if you're doing it right, it often is.

It takes passion to do that work. That passion comes from people who are already worked up, know the issues and know we must make a change - people like US on DU who are already blazing red-hot for change.

So stop waiting for the national Democratic God in the Sky to "inspire passion." The voters don't need to be passionate. They just need to be motivated and then helped to vote. That's not the DNC's job. That's YOUR job. The DNC is doing its part to support that work through it's support for state and local party apparati that organize and conduct this activity. But they need people to carry it out.

So, if you haven't already, call your local party, coordinated campaign, or individual candidates' campaigns. Volunteer an hour or more a week to work on vote outreach or other activity. Find a headquarters and go there to phonebank or enter names in databases or make signs or run errands or do whatever else they need.

But please, stop complaining about what "the Democrats" aren't doing. WE'RE the Democrats. It's up to all of us to get it done!

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Let's please stop with the "Democrats don't have a national message/aren't doing enough" criticisms (Original Post) EffieBlack Oct 2018 OP
only ultraliberal ideologues are complaining about this and its because the message across america beachbum bob Oct 2018 #1
Drives me crazy DownriverDem Oct 2018 #17
to me the two parties boil down to this BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #27
Yep. Conservative talking point for years spilled into a lot of Iliyah Oct 2018 #2
Given the current political situation... jcgoldie Oct 2018 #3
Agreed. Punch the Nazis....with your Vote! FSogol Oct 2018 #12
Except a lot of the Democrats whose votes we need already know Trump is horrid and they aren't even EffieBlack Oct 2018 #25
a simple slogan bdamomma Oct 2018 #44
They are speaking out liberalmuse Oct 2018 #4
Good DownriverDem Oct 2018 #18
They are all over Twitter mcar Oct 2018 #42
We have a national policy: First Nov 6. Then cheetolini, then repair healthcare, EPA etc. marble falls Oct 2018 #5
I am seeing a great deal of passion here in deep red Texas Gothmog Oct 2018 #6
Doesn't mean squat if they don't get out and VOTE though. calimary Oct 2018 #45
Money helps GOTV Gothmog Oct 2018 #47
i agree with 90% of what you're saying. unblock Oct 2018 #7
About Donnie's tax cheat story DownriverDem Oct 2018 #19
agreed, though that doesn't explain or excuse the media's lack of interest. unblock Oct 2018 #22
Lobsters Boiling in a Pot and So Much Sh*t So Little Time EffieBlack Oct 2018 #26
Lack of interest? I don't think so ... there's a lot to cover, news-wise, hurricanes, etc. rump... SWBTATTReg Oct 2018 #31
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2018 #8
K&R ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #9
All politics is local... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #10
+1000s DinahMoeHum Oct 2018 #13
K & R. n/t FSogol Oct 2018 #11
I am fine with being strategic and waiting patiently. gordianot Oct 2018 #14
They are DownriverDem Oct 2018 #21
Absolutely not. gordianot Oct 2018 #24
Cleaning up corruption is one message I would like to see more of. CaptainTruth Oct 2018 #15
Well said EffieBlack! FakeNoose Oct 2018 #16
That should be plastered bdamomma Oct 2018 #46
Thank you! lillypaddle Oct 2018 #20
Is it really Democrats or trolls? lark Oct 2018 #23
It's not Democrats NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #28
I do think a national message and slogan is helpful. We don't seem to have one. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #29
A national slogan not necessary for mid-terms. But why assume we won't have one for the general? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #33
Actually, I DO know what the tagline was EffieBlack Oct 2018 #36
healthcare Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #38
#2 doesn't make sense. progressoid Oct 2018 #30
It makes perfect sense EffieBlack Oct 2018 #34
"What are you doing to spread that message in your community?" progressoid Oct 2018 #40
I'm not sure why you infer that asking you what you're doing is incriminatory EffieBlack Oct 2018 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #35
What are YOU doing about it? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #37
Republicans are about hate. attacks on minorities appeal to them JI7 Oct 2018 #49
K&R. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2018 #39
It's election season mcar Oct 2018 #41
I am going to a voter protection training class on Saturday Gothmog Oct 2018 #48
Take the Maryland Governor's Race as an example JI7 Oct 2018 #50
I sincerely hope that voters who voted their heart learn to vote with their brains Fresh_Start Oct 2018 #51
Thank you, Effie! betsuni Oct 2018 #52
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. only ultraliberal ideologues are complaining about this and its because the message across america
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:47 AM
Oct 2018

by democrats is not THEIR message

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
17. Drives me crazy
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:39 AM
Oct 2018

I can't stand when folks stay Dems should do this & Dems should say this. Usually I seen the "Dems" on TV (MSNBC & CNN) saying exactly what they are talking about. They don't know politics and they don't know how the game is played. Just like the folks who think they can take over the Dem Party when they don't do anything, but complain. You've got to work if you want change. And it doesn't always go as fast as they would like.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
27. to me the two parties boil down to this
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:26 PM
Oct 2018

are you for using the power of government to benefit society as a whole to prevent anyone from failing, or, are you against this, and want individuals to fail or succeed on their own

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. Yep. Conservative talking point for years spilled into a lot of
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:47 AM
Oct 2018

Democrat's psychic.

Conservatives controls the message if you let them. Plus the trolls are slowing coming forth with doom and gloom messaging.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
3. Given the current political situation...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:51 AM
Oct 2018

I think "Nazis are bad, vote against them," is a perfectly good national message

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
25. Except a lot of the Democrats whose votes we need already know Trump is horrid and they aren't even
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:24 PM
Oct 2018

thinking of voting for him - not to mention, they have friends and family who are Trump supporters - so yelling at them that Trump and his supporters are Nazis won't help.

They need to understand why voting at all will improve their lives. They need to get to know the Democratic candidates and why they should take the time to vote for them. They need help getting out to vote and making sure their vote is not suppressed and that it counts.

"DON'T BE A NAZI" is not a message that will get most Democratic voters out to vote.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
4. They are speaking out
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:52 AM
Oct 2018

Daily. In many instances, hourly. The media isn’t giving them equal air time. They have to go on Twitter, begging for support. The corporate owned outlets would rather cover Trump’s incessant word vomit.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
42. They are all over Twitter
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:58 PM
Oct 2018

I follow many of them.

CNN lately has done a decent job of having Democrats on to comment.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
6. I am seeing a great deal of passion here in deep red Texas
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:06 AM
Oct 2018

There is a message and the voters are responding to it. In Texas we have six Democratic congressional candidates who have raised over $1 million. For example


Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
47. Money helps GOTV
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 05:19 PM
Oct 2018

I know that attorney who ran for office TX cd 7 twice. He raised less than $20,000 in each of the 2014 and 2016 elections. The two candidates who ran in Tx CD 22 each raised less than $25,000 for the 2014 and 2016 elections. Democrats did not run anyone in CD 2 in 2016. In each of these districts, the Democrats have done well.

I am seeing a great deal of support on the ground. GOTV operations are underway. Ballot by mail applications went out a while back and are being returned. Early voting starts Oct 22 and expect a good turnout.

unblock

(52,199 posts)
7. i agree with 90% of what you're saying.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:24 AM
Oct 2018

couple of minor points about your first point.

first, i vaguely recall some studies about gingrinch's contract on america, the main conclusion being that it actually had far less influence than people previously thought, and in fact, it amounted to gingrinch simply taking credit for a sea change that was going to happen anyway. note that it was introduced near the end of september 1994, after polls were already predicting huge republican gains in congress.

it was certainly good for gingrinch's career and reputation, though, i'll grant him that....


second, presidential approval weighs heavily on mid-term elections. while indeed every election is local/state, the backdrop of presidential approval/disapproval is a big factor in the aggregate. that's likely the main reason we're headed for huge pickups, in the house at least; and why we'll have minimal losses or maybe even a small pickup in the senate, despite a map that should spell big losses for us in an normal political environment.

i agree we don't need a national message, or more precisely, we already have one in the form of "donnie sucks".



beyond your points, i'd add that the media remains clearly biased against us. they consistently broadcast and repeatedly push virtually any ridiculous right-wing lie republicans want covered, and they consistently minimize or ignore virtually any story democrats might want to push.

elsewhere there's a thread about how the nyt bombshell about donnie being a massive tax cheat become a one-day-and-done story. how the hell is this possible with a remotely reasonable media landscape?

more to your point, how can we keep blaming democrats for not getting a message out when the media keeps playing to the right wing?

in fact it's gotten so bad that *republicans* are now declaring their version (lies) of what the democratic message is and the media is covering *that*!! no, we don't want completely unprotected borders, wtf.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
19. About Donnie's tax cheat story
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:44 AM
Oct 2018

It's not a one day and done story. It's being investigated in New York. We will be updated as they go along.

unblock

(52,199 posts)
22. agreed, though that doesn't explain or excuse the media's lack of interest.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:47 AM
Oct 2018

the story may resurface if and when there's some legal action. but if the recent coverage is any indication, that may be a one day story as well.

ho hum, donnie's father's estate accused of massive tax fraud, heirs settle for $xx million. yawn.


the different level of media coverage is appalling.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
26. Lobsters Boiling in a Pot and So Much Sh*t So Little Time
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:26 PM
Oct 2018

There's so much bad out there about him, people have almost become accustomed to it. And it's really hard to keep up with all the crap.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
31. Lack of interest? I don't think so ... there's a lot to cover, news-wise, hurricanes, etc. rump...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:38 PM
Oct 2018

himself has been harping constantly about his so called great abilities to take a 1 million dollar loan from his father and make it into billions, no less!!

No, this story will resurface constantly...and we'll call him out on it every single time.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
10. All politics is local...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:39 AM
Oct 2018

The great thing about what is happening is that many thousands of people across this great country are doing just what you are describing.

Indivisible, Emily's List, PLanned Parenthood. Those and other big national groups are assisting on the local level to get good Dems and progressives into the system at the grassroots level. The DNC and DCCC have fundamentally changed what was they were doing before. More money is being spread out farther and farther, establishing Dem offices in districts that haven't had any local Dem presence in years. More Dems, and especially more women are running for office everywhere.

These are all good things that should help build momentum for upcoming election cycles going forward.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
14. I am fine with being strategic and waiting patiently.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:01 AM
Oct 2018

The reaching across the aisle crap taking it off the table roils my blood pressure. How about working on a new generation of Democratic leaders? For gawd sakes the GOP has gone full blown Fascist.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
21. They are
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:46 AM
Oct 2018

I'm an elected precinct delegate in Michigan for my precinct. There are lots of young people getting involved. They are the new generation of Democratic Leaders. How about where you live and vote?

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
24. Absolutely not.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:10 PM
Oct 2018

Young people are not welcome especially when they irritate my fellow baby boomers. This is a new deveopment. They come once or twice then never come back. There were plenty of Sanders millenials in 2016 they left and have not come back. Frankly I am sick of my fellow old foggies but will not give up. I have never missed a vote in 45 years and in that time voted for one Republican a mistake I will never live down. You have young people coming keep them close.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
16. Well said EffieBlack!
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:39 AM
Oct 2018

I think these criticisms of the Democratic Party (and our lack of message) are just more evidence that the RWNJs are desperately turning over every rock they can find.

If there's any party that LACKS A MESSAGE, it's the Republican Party. They are the Party of Nothing. We Democrats + Liberals + Progressives don't have to prove our worth to anybody. We've already walked the walk, and they know what we stand for.



lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
20. Thank you!
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:46 AM
Oct 2018

Sick of hearing that BS, especially from Joe and Mika, but others, like Stephanie Ruhle, talk it up.

lark

(23,093 posts)
23. Is it really Democrats or trolls?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:07 PM
Oct 2018

I suspect it's the trolls who don't listen to Dems in the first place and make this complaint because they only listen to Faux or they could be russian bots? People I talk to on the streets know what Democrats favor, and it's not rapists like the repug party. The KKK and Nazi contingent believed the rapist/assaulter/screamer/partisan/crying boy because they hate women and always believe the men over the women. My neighbor who was previously a moderate, usually voted Dem but sometimes would vote for a repug, has been radicalized and now will only vote Dem until the drumpf stain is out of politics and the world has been turned right side up again. Our friend who was a LT in the Navy voted for drumpf, is very very sorry, and says he will either not vote or vote Dem but will not vote for the party of drumpf until they quit acting like foods and lying all the time. People are definitely getting the message. The only real question is how deep will voter suppression, closing polling places in minority districts and Russia hacking, disinformation be? We have have to have massive numbers in our favor to win in spite of their massive vote stealing and hacking and lies.

#BLUEWAVE

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
28. It's not Democrats
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:27 PM
Oct 2018

Or, not many true Democrats. It's the purity-obsessed ultra left who want it their way or the highway, also trolls. Russian and Republican trolls love to sow dissent in the Democratic Party.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
29. I do think a national message and slogan is helpful. We don't seem to have one.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:34 PM
Oct 2018

Not having a national slogan/message may not hurt us for the mid-terms, because of the anger & passion right now, but it will hurt us in the future, when anger & passion aren't as great.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
32. A national slogan not necessary for mid-terms. But why assume we won't have one for the general?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:40 PM
Oct 2018

We need to focus on the task at hand and stop worrying about what's around the corner - especially when our 2020 messaging and strategy will be largely determined by the outcome of the midterms.

Response to EffieBlack (Reply #32)

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
36. Actually, I DO know what the tagline was
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:54 PM
Oct 2018

If you don't, maybe you need to pay closer attention. It was put out all over the place - and directly tied to a set of policies and proposals. And local candidates and campaigns took it and shaped the message for their own purposes because what works in Tuscaloosa doesn't work in Toledo or Tucson.

And, FYI - what you're talking about are general election slogans and, while they are fun, they don't really say a thing about what a candidate is going to actually do. They're just slogans.

I ask again. What are YOU doing in your community to communicate your knowledge and passion to people who need to get out to vote? It seems to me that's a much more effective use of your time and energy than bitching on an online discussion board that the Democrats don't have a slogan for the general election in two years.

progressoid

(49,983 posts)
30. #2 doesn't make sense.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:37 PM
Oct 2018
"Most Democratic voters don't have the time or luxury to be passionate about politics - they're trying to get through each day - going to (or looking for) work, taking care of their children and/or parents, trying to figure out how to survive, etc. "


Republican voters are also trying to get through each day - going to (or looking for) work, taking care of their children and/or parents, trying to figure out how to survive, etc. Yet, they manage to get out and vote for whatever piece of shit candidate they have. They have the advantage of a tribal mindset.

I agree that voters "need to be told and shown why their vote matters, that it's worth taking the time to cast their vote and that it will be counted." Sadly, with the exception of the last two years, that's a message that we've not been getting out to our supporters. From dog catcher to President, your vote matters.
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
34. It makes perfect sense
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:48 PM
Oct 2018

Republican voters approach things differently than Democratic voters do. Among other things, they're more easily swayed by simple-minded messaging and appeals to fear and hate.

The messaging you're talking about is already happening but only goes so far. It must be repeated and amplified at the local level so that ordinary people who aren't sitting around all day surfing the web or watching MSNBC can connect it to their lives.

You seem to be aware of the message but are unhappy with how it's being disseminated locally? What are you doing to spread that message in your community?

progressoid

(49,983 posts)
40. "What are you doing to spread that message in your community?"
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:25 PM
Oct 2018

Awww, bless you for your incriminatory question.

Well, for the last two months I've been knocking on doors every available weekend and some week nights. Volunteered at the Dem booths at the county and state fairs. My wife and I serve on local Dem GOTV committees. We've opened our home to host a DNC field coordinator until the election. And yesterday we took off work to protest Trump in the rain for 3 hours.

https://www.3newsnow.com/news/local-news/emotions-boil-over-after-demonstrators-stand-outside-mac

How about you?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
43. I'm not sure why you infer that asking you what you're doing is incriminatory
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:58 PM
Oct 2018

But it's great that you're doing all that! I wish more people we were doing what you're doing.

Among other things, I'm working with state and local parties and campaigns organizing voter registration and GOTV.

Response to progressoid (Reply #30)

mcar

(42,302 posts)
41. It's election season
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:54 PM
Oct 2018

Always time for some to try to depress the Democratic vote.

Happens every election cycle.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
48. I am going to a voter protection training class on Saturday
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 05:21 PM
Oct 2018

I get 3 hours of CLE including .5 hours of ethics. We will be busy protecting the vote

JI7

(89,247 posts)
50. Take the Maryland Governor's Race as an example
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 06:43 PM
Oct 2018

it's a very blue state with a popular republican governor.

from what i have seen he is more like non partisan administrator they see as doing a good job. pretty boring and non passionate. but he takes care of the state and opposes trump and many of the extremist parts of the gop so they will keep him.

you have too see it from the state level to understand.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
51. I sincerely hope that voters who voted their heart learn to vote with their brains
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 07:02 PM
Oct 2018

before the planet is uninhabitable

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