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Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:46 PM

Why is Trump so unpopular in Utah? Utah is normally one of the deepest red states.

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https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2018/10/08/no-state-has-seen/

https://kutv.com/news/local/utahns-disapproval-of-donald-trump-remains-steady-as-it-grows-nationally

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

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Reply Why is Trump so unpopular in Utah? Utah is normally one of the deepest red states. (Original post)
Quixote1818 Oct 2018 OP
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #1
Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #12
Blue_true Oct 2018 #21
Me. Oct 2018 #2
CentralMass Oct 2018 #26
jmowreader Oct 2018 #3
FreeState Oct 2018 #11
leftyladyfrommo Oct 2018 #20
FreeState Oct 2018 #23
GentryDixon Oct 2018 #29
leftyladyfrommo Oct 2018 #30
Garrett78 Oct 2018 #4
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #10
Wellstone ruled Oct 2018 #5
beachbum bob Oct 2018 #6
Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #7
FreeState Oct 2018 #14
Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #16
beachbum bob Oct 2018 #24
SweetieD Oct 2018 #8
violetpastille Oct 2018 #9
FSogol Oct 2018 #13
Polybius Oct 2018 #15
Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #17
Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #18
Polybius Oct 2018 #22
Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #25
malaise Oct 2018 #19
KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #27
Turbineguy Oct 2018 #28
Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #31
oberliner Oct 2018 #32

Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:49 PM

1. His lifestyle is offensive to Mormons.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:32 PM

12. Not according to the polling

The Jones' poll also found that all religious groups in Utah highly disapprove of him, except for members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Those who consider themselves "very active" LDS members liked his efforts 62 to 37 percent. Among "somewhat active" members, the approval drops to 48 percent versus 46 percent disapproval.

https://kutv.com/news/local/utahns-disapproval-of-donald-trump-remains-steady-as-it-grows-nationally

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:11 PM

21. Exactly.

I have done business with lots of Mormons. Occasionally you find a fake believer, but they generally stand behind their values. Trump'd personal conduct and criminality offends them and most won't look the other way.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:52 PM

2. Then Why Has Mitt Been Kissing His Butt So Profusely?

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:59 PM

26. Because he"s an @$$ kisser.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:53 PM

3. He should be unpopular in every state whose citizens have strong morals

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:31 PM

11. Utah does not have strong morals

They have follow the Cult at all cost mentality, they let the chug itch do the thinking.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:01 PM

20. The Mormons I knew did have strong family values.

I lived in SLC for about 6 years.

They were very patriarchal but would not have approved of Trump.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:32 PM

23. All families are different

But as a whole the LDS church is awful for families - leave the church and your family falls apart. The church has even asked that members not leave inheritance to gay family members.

https://zelphontheshelf.com/lds-philanthropies-if-your-kids-arent-mormon-give-your-money-to-the-church-when-you-die/

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:04 PM

29. But they always voted "R"

I've lived in Utah the majority of my almost 70 years on this earth. The Church has the last say in this state, & if they were truly against the amoral candidate, they would have let their flock know. The younger generation may be trying to think for themselves, but the Church Elders have the ear of most "faithful".

It's very discouraging trying to fight the Republican majority in this tightly gerrymandered state.

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Response to GentryDixon (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:56 AM

30. You are right, of course.

But they haven't ever had to deal with a Republican president as amoral and close to down right evil as this one.

That is a real problem fora lot of Repubs right now.

I think the Mormon church is really interesting. And when I was there in the 60's the Church controlled every aspect of daily life. It was amazing how the religion and every other aspect of life are so interwoven there.

Not the same but sort of like the Old Order Amish or the Ultra Orthodox Jews.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:58 PM

4. Back to where he was prior to his inauguration bump. Utah was never wild about him.

As DSB said, it probably has something to do with Mormonism.

He's still more popular in Utah than the country as a whole.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:31 PM

10. I also suspect his religious intolerance and xenophobia is offensive to them.

Given the fact they were a persecuted minority and are heavily inclined to evangelizing all over the globe.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:03 PM

5. Said this before,

Romney is coming back to carry the Constitution on a White Horse. Utah is about 57% Mormon,and in certain Communities it is 75+%. And to think,Utah voted over overwhelmingly for FDR three times.

To see this poll is interesting considering what the recent polling numbers for the hard core Rethugs like Love,Bishop,Stewart and Chaffetz replacement are polling at this point.

Running joke in Utah is,if it has a R after their name,they get the vote.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:06 PM

6. Unlike the rest of American conservatives, mormons do have morals

 

and ethics that aren't easily turned off.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:12 PM

7. The article says polling shows he is still popular with strong Mormons

https://kutv.com/news/local/utahns-disapproval-of-donald-trump-remains-steady-as-it-grows-nationally

Snip: The Jones' poll also found that all religious groups in Utah highly disapprove of him, except for members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Those who consider themselves "very active" LDS members liked his efforts 62 to 37 percent. Among "somewhat active" members, the approval drops to 48 percent versus 46 percent disapproval.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:32 PM

14. The Mormon church is anything but ethical or moral n/t

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Response to FreeState (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:45 PM

16. And Mormons have one of the highest rates of domestic violence against women in the country. nt

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Response to FreeState (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:45 PM

24. Debatable, divorce, crime, out of wedlock pregnancy measure levels

 

Of morality and ethics. Either way, as a group no other republican group can say the same.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:13 PM

8. I work with a lot of mormons and the are all pro Trump Maga types.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:28 PM

9. One thing I gotta give Mormons credit for:

They keep their eyes on the bottom line.

They studied the P&L and the Cost Risk Analysis and they know Trump is disastrous for business.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:32 PM

13. Because they want to keep up appearances no matter how f'ed up there are when you scratch the

surface.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:40 PM

15. A +29 approval rating in West Virginia?

WTF is wrong with those people?

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

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Response to Polybius (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:50 PM

17. I don't get that either. It's the only state that is entirely in Appalachia


I don't know much about that morals and culture, but those in Appalachia seem to be very conservative.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:53 PM

18. They used to be conservative

but, at the same time, Democrats. West Virginia and Kentucky both. They knew who buttered their bread. Thatís changed in the last 20 years and Iím not quite sure why. What I donít get is why heís so popular in Wyoming. Itís one of the least religious states in the Union.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:23 PM

22. This is why we must support Manchin

I don't understand those here who bash him. Trump is +29 in WV. You have to understand why he votes with the enemy sometimes.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #22)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:53 PM

25. Agree. He is the best we can do there. nt

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:55 PM

19. He's an uncouth short-fingered vulgarian

who has no respect for anyone.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:18 PM

27. Not huuuugely unpopular, though.

(snip)
In Utah, about 58 percent of residents approved of the president when he was inaugurated but now 50 percent oppose him. Only 45 percent still back the president, the survey shows. Morning Consult created a net change rating, adding the drop in approval to the rise in disapproval. Utah scored a 32, the highest of any state, and something the White House occupant probably wouldnít be happy to see in one of the reddest states in the union.

During my business travels, Utah's populace had the most variety of contrast I witnessed over the country. From loads of pious Mormons to hell-raising cowboys and ranchers to miners to high-tech geeks.

I suspect a lot of Utah folks are very environmentally conscious and resent tRump's gutting of the EPA and screwing with their beloved national parks and monuments, as he wants mining and other interests to move in on those lands.

Would seem to be a difficult state to predict...... .....

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:40 PM

28. Utah may have some unusual values...

but at least they have them!

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:28 AM

31. I suspect it's horseshit. EVERY Mormon I know adores him.

"Devout" Mormons tend to be enormous hypocrites, just as "devout" members of any religion are.

Here's an old joke for you:

How many Mormons do you bring on a fishing trip if you plan to drink beer?

At least two. If you bring one, he'll drink all your beer.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:35 AM

32. In Alabama, he has a 62 percent approval rating in a state that is 30 percent African-American

 

I guess that means that just about every white person in Alabama is a Trump fan?

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