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babylonsister

(171,024 posts)
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:11 AM Oct 2018

Republicans Fall Flat In Trump Country

https://politicalwire.com/2018/10/15/republicans-fall-flat-in-trump-country/

Republicans Fall Flat In Trump Country
October 15, 2018 at 7:15 am EDT By Taegan Goddard


“A number of Republicans running for governor or senator in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, including several who hitched their wagon to Trump’s political movement, are behind in polls by double digits, a remarkable turnabout in swing states that were key to the president’s 2016 victory,” the Washington Post reports.

“If current polling averages hold, Democrats will maintain all their Senate seats in those states, pick up a handful of House seats and, in some cases, retake the governors’ mansions.”
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Republicans Fall Flat In Trump Country (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2018 OP
GOTV, my friends. muntrv Oct 2018 #1
Make it so, Number Ones! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2018 #2
Not in Texas PDittie Oct 2018 #3
Or Georgia Glorfindel Oct 2018 #5
Well, of course. Shell_Seas Oct 2018 #16
Oh please.. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #4
Time for Walker (WI) to be sent packing. usaf-vet Oct 2018 #6
Prison could be his next stop Liberalhammer Oct 2018 #18
Watch MI on election night. roamer65 Oct 2018 #7
Great work guys! Let's keep the momentum going for 3 more weeks FakeNoose Oct 2018 #8
I Know This Is a Little Nit-Picky, But... The_Counsel Oct 2018 #9
THIS BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #10
Yupper... The_Counsel Oct 2018 #11
Hillary only had 70,000 fewer votes than Obama in 3 critical states DESPITE a huge disadvantage pnwmom Oct 2018 #25
Jill Stein. Russian agent, traitor to America. AZ8theist Oct 2018 #19
Yup. BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #21
Not sure about the others but Wisconsin definitely leans R whopis01 Oct 2018 #13
But there is also gerrymandering impacting that BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #15
Thank you. Fellow nitpicker. LakeArenal Oct 2018 #17
central pa here BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #26
So what kind of Russian foul play should we be on the lookout for? Mr. Ected Oct 2018 #12
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2018 #14
Look at what happened in OK. Legislators rolled back promised raises to teachers, and they ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2018 #20
Looking good. Keep fingers crossed. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #22
without Comey most of those would not be "trump country" . JI7 Oct 2018 #23
One happy Ohioan!!!!! samplegirl Oct 2018 #24

Shell_Seas

(3,326 posts)
16. Well, of course.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 03:54 PM
Oct 2018

Years ago federal judges said Texas education was unconstitutionally funded. We've been churning out idiots that vote against their own self-interests for years. Add that to gerrymandering and voter suppression, and viola.

Actually, we don't live in a Red state. We live in a non-voting state. On average, only about 21% of eligible voters in Texas actually vote. Which is less than any other state in the Union. Everything is bigger in Texas, including our non-voting population.

Because of that, I preach and preach to everyone I know who says they don't vote. I actually got two people in their 30s to register for the first time in their lives this year. We all need to do that, preach the importance of voting.

usaf-vet

(6,161 posts)
6. Time for Walker (WI) to be sent packing.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:45 AM
Oct 2018

Get out and vote. Get your friends out to vote.

This is our chance to put Wisconsin back on the right track. Let's make it a BLUE state again.

Vote for every Democrat that is on your ballot.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
18. Prison could be his next stop
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 05:03 PM
Oct 2018

I think Walker would look good in orange. Just takes some investigation into state finance when Democrats are back in charge.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
7. Watch MI on election night.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:50 AM
Oct 2018

From all indications, we are going to make a sharp tack leftward.
Legalized MJ and a independent redistricting commission to boot.

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
9. I Know This Is a Little Nit-Picky, But...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 11:26 AM
Oct 2018

...Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan can hardly be seen as "Trump Country." He won them, yes, but it took shenanigans on Team Trump's part and laziness on Team Clinton's part to make that happen.

Kentucky. Alabama. Mississippi...THAT'S "Trump Country...."

BumRushDaShow

(128,292 posts)
10. THIS
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:08 PM
Oct 2018

PA is not "Trump Country". There are mostly rural parts of it that might be but certainly not the whole state.

And he won PA by 44,000 votes, a number that would have easily gone the other way save for Jill Stein doubling her vote count from 2012.

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
11. Yupper...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:32 PM
Oct 2018

Sadly, if Clinton had only done as well as Obama had in 2012 (NO Dem had done better than Obama in '08 in terms of raw vote), she would have carried the state. The exact same holds true in Michigan and Wisconsin as well. She wins those three states, she wins the election.

~~sigh~~

What could have been...

pnwmom

(108,951 posts)
25. Hillary only had 70,000 fewer votes than Obama in 3 critical states DESPITE a huge disadvantage
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 05:31 AM
Oct 2018

he didn't have.

In 2013, the SCOTUS invalidated key parts of the Voting Rights Act, allowing for the suppression of millions of votes across the country. Obama wasn't working under that handicap.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20160821_Millions_more_to_face_new_voting_restrictions_in_2016.html

CINCINNATI - With the presidential election less than three months away, millions of Americans will be navigating new requirements for voting - if they can vote at all - as state leaders implement dozens of new restrictions that could make it more difficult to cast a ballot.

Since the last presidential election in 2012, politicians in 20 states have passed 37 different voting requirements that they said were needed to prevent voter fraud, a News21 analysis found. More than a third of those changes require voters to show specified government-issued photo IDs at the polls or reduce the number of acceptable IDs required by preexisting laws.

SNIP

Republican-controlled Texas and Wisconsin passed the strictest voter ID laws, while North Carolina and Ohio are among those that eliminated same-day registration and reduced early voting days.


https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/supreme-court-ruling.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=525D3B1D4CF978642A8AF4436FA0A619&gwt=pay

She said the focus of the Voting Rights Act had properly changed from “first-generation barriers to ballot access” to “second-generation barriers” like racial gerrymandering and laws requiring at-large voting in places with a sizable black minority. She said the law had been effective in thwarting such efforts.

The law had applied to nine states — Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas and Virginia — and to scores of counties and municipalities in other states, including Brooklyn, Manhattan and the Bronx.

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/.../voting-rights-act-ruling-affects-2-michigan-townships

Voting Rights Act ruling affects 2 Michigan townships. ... The high court — in a 5-4 vote — declared unconstitutional a section of the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act that determines which states and localities must get Washington's approve for proposed elections.Jun 25, 2013
Voting Rights Act ruling affects 2 Michigan townships

BumRushDaShow

(128,292 posts)
21. Yup.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 05:48 PM
Oct 2018

She managed to double her votes not only here in the city (Philly), but statewide, with some seriously deceptive bullshit.

whopis01

(3,489 posts)
13. Not sure about the others but Wisconsin definitely leans R
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

Governor is Republican
1 out of 2 Senators is Republican
5 out of 8 Representatives are Republican




BumRushDaShow

(128,292 posts)
15. But there is also gerrymandering impacting that
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 02:05 PM
Oct 2018

notably for the Congressional reps.

Here in PA, registered Democratic voters outnumber Republican voters by 800,000. Yet the Congressional delegation out of PA after the 2010 census and GOP redistricting ended up having 13 Republican reps - 5 Democratic reps (and back then, the registration differential was even higher - at ~1,000,000). If anything it SHOULD HAVE BEEN 10 (D) - 8 (R), or perhaps split 9 - 9 considering how rural much of the state is vs the densely populated urban areas located in small geographic spaces, assuming you would want to give them a smaller geographic area to have a rep for.

But what happens is that lazy media look at that and say - "Oh PA is (or is becoming) a 'red state' or is 'Trump country'", which is just ludicrous and utter nonsense.

Wisconsin has bopped back and forth between (D) and (R) Governors. But when you had states where the GOP wrested control during the 2010 teabagger wave, which was also a census year, they came in there (like here in PA), with the RW-focussed ALEC agenda in hand, after they took over the entire state legislature, and got to work where they -

1.) Implemented draconian Voter ID laws that often closed DMVs nearest to minority neighborhoods and required documentation that might have been difficult to obtain, while also doing mass purges of the voter rolls
2. ) Implemented "Right to Work" union-busting legislation
3.) Implemented or tried to implement 20-week abortion bans and requirements for transvaginal ultra-sounds for women interested in ending their pregnancies
4.) Refused to expand Medicaid to make use of government funding from the ACA
5.) Implemented "Stand Your Ground" laws

and on and on....

The state of NJ, infamous for the Crispy Kreme administration, has continually had both (D) and (R) governors, yet it is never considered a "red state". Even the Congressional delegation of 7 (D) & 5 (R) is pretty close to "purple", yet NJ is always called a "blue state". NY is the same way, rotating (D) and (R) governors and have (or have had) split legislatures, yet that is always called a "blue state".

LakeArenal

(28,786 posts)
17. Thank you. Fellow nitpicker.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 04:55 PM
Oct 2018

We’ve been half blue forever. Repukes cheat to steal the 4% they need to win here.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
26. central pa here
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 09:02 AM
Oct 2018

i'm amazed at the number of kids, 18-35, all white, wearing their maga hats proudly.

aside from philly and Pittsburgh... pa is sadly trump country.


lets just hope philly turns out next month, because they didn't in 2016, and the MAGAts won the state.

SWBTATTReg

(22,046 posts)
20. Look at what happened in OK. Legislators rolled back promised raises to teachers, and they ...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 05:46 PM
Oct 2018

got even w/ the legislators by voting them out. It can be done. We just need to gotv and do it. And we will. We've had enough of the so called repugs and their so called help for the average Americans (pretty well zero).

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