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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:34 PM Oct 2018

Liz Warren is running for reelection in November. So why would ANY Democrat criticize her

for running a great campaign video? Why should she wait till after she's re-elected? The greater her win now, the better.

I also don't understand why a representative for the Cherokee Nation criticized her. She's never claimed to be an official member of the Nation, and she repeated this in the video.

“I am not enrolled in a tribe and only tribes determine tribal citizenship. I understand and respect that distinction.”

The video is about 5 minutes long, and she's put it on Twitter. I loved it.


?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1051783184390664192&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.esquire.com%2Fnews-politics%2Fpolitics%2Fa23787339%2Felizabeth-warren-dna-test-pocahontas-native-american-heritage%2F

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a23787339/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-pocahontas-native-american-heritage/

What makes SPW's announcement different is the video that comes with it. Not only does the video convincingly make the case that a) SPW had ancestors who were Native Americans and, b) that SPW did not depend on this to advance her career—something that the Globe had run down exhaustively in an earlier story—it also introduces her and her family to the public at large in a very shrewd and entertaining way. You get Momma and Daddy. You get her three big brothers talking about "Betsy." You get a nephew with a fabulous beard, and a family dog, snoozing away on the carpet. There are old family photos, being Ken Burns'ed at precise intervals.

At the same time, you get testimonial after testimonial about her gifts as a teacher. (When you have Charles Fried, who was Ronald Reagan's Solicitor General, and who is no flaming liberal, god knows, calling you "a tremendous teacher, an important scholar," you can't do much better as far as a bipartisan reference goes.) And the clearly political elements in the video, about how the president* uses Native Americans as a punchline, are more effective for having been grounded in her professional and personal story. The video reminds me of nothing more than it does that introductory video from Bernie Sanders's campaign in 2016, the one that used Paul Simon's "America" so effectively.
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Liz Warren is running for reelection in November. So why would ANY Democrat criticize her (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2018 OP
Loved it too! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #1
Is she running on her ancestry? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #2
Her Republican opponents have taken up Trump's ridicule about her N.A. ancestry. pnwmom Oct 2018 #3
I wish she would have done her roll out after the mid terms. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #4
She's running in the midterms. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #7
And thrashing her opponent without taking the focus off other races DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #8
Every Congressional election is separate. In her race, SHE is being criticized pnwmom Oct 2018 #10
She's very comfortably ahead FBaggins Oct 2018 #20
I don't see how anyone can watch this video and say that ... Bradshaw3 Oct 2018 #46
I dunno, I think... Adrahil Oct 2018 #19
I agree MountCleaners Oct 2018 #12
She brought up real Native issues of discrimination in the video. Apparently you didn't watch it. nt pnwmom Oct 2018 #17
I did watch it, but in the media it's all about a white woman MountCleaners Oct 2018 #21
This isn't about Native Americans being invisible. It's about Elizabeth Warren being called a LIAR pnwmom Oct 2018 #35
If she DIDN'T check off that box, they would have claimed she was hiding from her ancestry! George II Oct 2018 #44
I watched it too, and to me it comes across as opportunistic. Mentioning NA issues in a campaign WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #23
I'm more Ojibwe than I am White, and I didn't see it as opportunistic at all. catbyte Oct 2018 #66
Bc the 1 million is going to be donated to an Indian Women's Charity(?) I think... Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #30
no, are you slamming her for who her ancestors were? getagrip_already Oct 2018 #13
Asking questions and offering constructive criticism is not slamming. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #22
I don't.. getagrip_already Oct 2018 #25
What's the talking point? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #26
you appear to be saying... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #28
I didn't say it. I asked if she was. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #31
lineage is the same as ancestry.... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #34
Calling her opportunistic is not constructive criticism Bradshaw3 Oct 2018 #47
Saying it "comes across" as opportunistic is. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #51
Jeez that's splitting hairs Bradshaw3 Oct 2018 #54
Fair enough. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #56
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #14
She's not running as NA ancestry. She's showing that her "family lore," as she's often put it, pnwmom Oct 2018 #15
There is nothing disingenuous about ooky Oct 2018 #57
So here we are on DU bashing Elizabeth Warren for taking a DNA test, not trump for.... George II Oct 2018 #42
Being annoyed that a Democrat with presidential aspirations goes along with Trump's claims WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #43
Since that is not what she did, it sort of is. Ninsianna Oct 2018 #70
She was being bullied by Trump, and more Republicans are piling on the longer it goes on. ooky Oct 2018 #59
Brilliant move. Ignore downer dupes trying to piss on this. Achilleaze Oct 2018 #5
IKR! Cha Oct 2018 #11
not for a good reason, I think KayF Oct 2018 #6
WOW! That is Spectacular! I don't understand Cha Oct 2018 #9
Go Sen. Warren! Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #18
It is incredible! I choked up and it's So Well Done!.. twitter vids Cha Oct 2018 #24
you didn't see me cringe Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #27
Yeah, I'm real old school.. I like their Cha Oct 2018 #32
Anyone can also see the video at the second link -- it's in the Esquire article. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #36
THANK YOU! Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #40
+++ agree. iluvtennis Oct 2018 #49
I am very proud she is one of my senators.... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #16
I think it is fair to have a problem with the timing dsc Oct 2018 #29
She's in a Senate race now, where Trump and her opponent have been mocking her as Pocahontas. pnwmom Oct 2018 #37
she is up by like 40 points or something dsc Oct 2018 #39
Why should she wait while Trump and the GOP smear her and mock her nationwide? Trump is doing... Hekate Oct 2018 #67
She's trolling Shitstain . . . hatrack Oct 2018 #33
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #38
Did you even watch the video? Bradshaw3 Oct 2018 #48
I don't think you even watched the Vid or you wouldn't Cha Oct 2018 #58
GOP slurs, amirite? Hekate Oct 2018 #64
She has NEVER EVER claimed to "be a Native American." You need to listen to that ad she made... Hekate Oct 2018 #62
Dunno. She is a GREAT representative for the democratic party! Kajun Gal Oct 2018 #41
Agree! Marie Marie Oct 2018 #61
She's a Democrat. It's an election year. SUPPORT HER! Quibble later. BadgerMom Oct 2018 #45
You said it PERFECTLY, my dear BadgerMom! Thank you. FFS, indeed! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2018 #50
A person can support Warren and still want her to do better before the election. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #53
She's doing very well if Trump is trying to pick her off now. You want her to fight back, or not? Hekate Oct 2018 #68
Amen to that! nt scarletwoman Oct 2018 #60
What a terrific ad and story Bradshaw3 Oct 2018 #52
Thanks for the link! And the link it led me to . . . pnwmom Oct 2018 #55
This whole thing is a bullshit distraction, and the media is falling for it. Oneironaut Oct 2018 #63
Watch the ad. It's a compelling ad and she's up for re-election. She shows her pnwmom Oct 2018 #65
Exactly! MineralMan Oct 2018 #69

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,318 posts)
2. Is she running on her ancestry?
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:42 PM
Oct 2018

If so, does that mean she identifies as a Native American? That would come as a surprise to many.

If not, why does she feel the need to prove it? It's not like Trump or any of his supporters are going to believe it.

From what I've seen on Twitter, the reaction from NAs to the test result and her campaign video has been disappointment and discomfort. It's important to listen to that, I think.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
3. Her Republican opponents have taken up Trump's ridicule about her N.A. ancestry.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:45 PM
Oct 2018

I'm glad she answered them.

And I don't understand the criticism, which is based on the fact that blood tests don't determine tribal affiliation. In her video, she specifically acknowledged that, and accepted that. She said she is just talking about her family history -- not a tribal affiliation.

“I am not enrolled in a tribe and only tribes determine tribal citizenship. I understand and respect that distinction.”

It felt like they hadn't even bothered to listen to a 5 minute video before commenting on it.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
10. Every Congressional election is separate. In her race, SHE is being criticized
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:57 PM
Oct 2018

by Trump and her opponent for lying about her heritage. She has a right to answer them now, while she's running for Senate.

Bradshaw3

(7,506 posts)
46. I don't see how anyone can watch this video and say that ...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:50 PM
Oct 2018

... she is hurting herself or others. Fantastic ad, personal and compelling.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
19. I dunno, I think...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:10 PM
Oct 2018

Deflating the gas bag so publicly reinforces the image that Trump is a mean-spirited liar, and the GOP is his lap dog.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
17. She brought up real Native issues of discrimination in the video. Apparently you didn't watch it. nt
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:03 PM
Oct 2018

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
21. I did watch it, but in the media it's all about a white woman
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:13 PM
Oct 2018

...who has, like, 1/500 of "Native American" on a DNA test, and of course those tests are problematic anyway.

Native women have said it makes them feel invisible.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
35. This isn't about Native Americans being invisible. It's about Elizabeth Warren being called a LIAR
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:40 PM
Oct 2018

because someone unearthed a form that she had turned in AFTER she was already hired and working at Harvard, where she checked off a box, indicating that she had some N.A. ancestry. Like some of my own relatives, she didn't want to deny what she viewed as mixed ancestry, even though the amount could be viewed as trivial. SHE didn't view it as trivial.

Ever since that was published, they've been falsely claiming that she traded on non-existent N.A. ancestry to get a scholarship, or a job, or whatever. None of that is true. The blood tests showed she did have a N.A. distant ancestor, as she has consistently said accords with her "family lore," -- but she NEVER traded on that ancestry to get a scholarship, job, or promotion.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,318 posts)
23. I watched it too, and to me it comes across as opportunistic. Mentioning NA issues in a campaign
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:17 PM
Oct 2018

video is easy and also the bare-ass minimum every Democrat should be doing.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
30. Bc the 1 million is going to be donated to an Indian Women's Charity(?) I think...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:35 PM
Oct 2018

That's the charity she wants the 1 million to be given to. No credit for that?
Any criticism for don who refuses to donate the money? And says 'Pocahontas', in a clearly derogatory way, and yet nary a peep from 'The Tribes". Puzzling to me.

getagrip_already

(14,697 posts)
13. no, are you slamming her for who her ancestors were?
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:58 PM
Oct 2018

Just like Obama's birth certificate, the orange mushroom head brought this to her/. She is just putting it to rest.

You act negatively to a dem, against the rules of du methinks....

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,318 posts)
22. Asking questions and offering constructive criticism is not slamming.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:16 PM
Oct 2018

If you think this test will put the issue to rest among Trump and his supporters, you're wrong.

getagrip_already

(14,697 posts)
25. I don't..
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:21 PM
Oct 2018

but your post was absolutely a gop talking point. It appears on the surface that either you are slamming her for troll reasons or you support another candidate.

Either way, it sucks.

getagrip_already

(14,697 posts)
28. you appear to be saying...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:25 PM
Oct 2018

that she is using her na roots as a campaign issue. that she used them to get unfair advantages.

She isn't and she didn't. Her lineage is verified. She isn't using it for anything other than refuting unfair charges.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,318 posts)
31. I didn't say it. I asked if she was.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:36 PM
Oct 2018

I made no comments about unfair advantages.

Her lineage, in fact, is not verified. Her ancestry is. The confusion of the two is why NAs are so dismayed about the issue itself and the coverage around it; people are spreading ignorant opinions about what this means.

getagrip_already

(14,697 posts)
34. lineage is the same as ancestry....
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:40 PM
Oct 2018

It's the line between you and your ancestors.

If you mean heritage, you might have a point, but it isn't hers. She makes a point of saying she has no na heritage, but lineage, yes.

Look up the terms before you slime dems.

Bradshaw3

(7,506 posts)
47. Calling her opportunistic is not constructive criticism
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:53 PM
Oct 2018

I thought it was a terrific ad in response to a false charge while she is running for office. A lot of the criticism I've seen of her on DU seems disingenuous, like there is an agenda.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,318 posts)
51. Saying it "comes across" as opportunistic is.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:01 PM
Oct 2018

No agenda here, just a desire for people, the vast majority of whom are white, to look past the next election to how actions like Warren's are seen by POC.

Bradshaw3

(7,506 posts)
54. Jeez that's splitting hairs
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:06 PM
Oct 2018

Or it comes across as splitting hairs. And thanks but I don't need you to tell me how her "actions" supposedly look to POC.

Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #2)

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
15. She's not running as NA ancestry. She's showing that her "family lore," as she's often put it,
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:02 PM
Oct 2018

is correct. She does have an Indian ancestor in her distant past.

She came across to me as very genuine.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
57. There is nothing disingenuous about
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:09 PM
Oct 2018

pushing back on a bully. Good for her. She's not running on it, she's quelling it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. So here we are on DU bashing Elizabeth Warren for taking a DNA test, not trump for....
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:14 PM
Oct 2018

....repeatedly slurring her "fake" ancestry for years.

Her ONLY motive was to shut down the incessant slurs thrown at her by trump and now other republicans.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,318 posts)
43. Being annoyed that a Democrat with presidential aspirations goes along with Trump's claims
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:22 PM
Oct 2018

as if they were made in good faith is hardly “bashing.”

ooky

(8,922 posts)
59. She was being bullied by Trump, and more Republicans are piling on the longer it goes on.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:25 PM
Oct 2018

She needed to answer. Now that she has, she can forget it and focus on issues, while they focus on Trump's nonsense. They have her answer.

KayF

(1,345 posts)
6. not for a good reason, I think
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:49 PM
Oct 2018

I don't believe Messina's reason, I don't think it's about this election. I think he's against her in the 2020 primary.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
9. WOW! That is Spectacular! I don't understand
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:56 PM
Oct 2018

why anyone would be whining that EW made this Amazing Vid.. that calls out the Vile Evil Asshole.. NOT fit to serve.

And, has an Awesome mini-bio of herself and her family.. as well as bringing to Light the struggles of our Native Americans!

Can't understand why her Bros would still be repubs, either.

Well Done EW!!

Mahalo, pnwmom!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,320 posts)
18. Go Sen. Warren!
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:07 PM
Oct 2018

I think she could push him over the edge.


Wish I could see the video; twitter videos simply don't work for me.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
24. It is incredible! I choked up and it's So Well Done!.. twitter vids
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:18 PM
Oct 2018

don't work for me on IE so I go to google chrome to watch the twitter vids.

Is that something you could try, Hermit?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,320 posts)
27. you didn't see me cringe
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:24 PM
Oct 2018

I forgot IE even exists. There have been no microsoft programs running in my house since 2000. (It took me until then to find FOSS replacements for the last bit of software I needed).

I'll give it a shot with a different browser.

Thanks!


Cha

(297,123 posts)
32. Yeah, I'm real old school.. I like their
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:37 PM
Oct 2018

format on most aspects. And, I'm not the most tech savvy so I do what is convenient sometimes.

Glad I branched out to google chrome quite awhile ago though.. cause it's so helpful with all these tweet vids!

Good Luck.. worth seeing.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,320 posts)
40. THANK YOU!
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:02 PM
Oct 2018

Been through that article 3 times, now, and just found the youtube link. (I can download youtube vids to watch them, or, when the stars are aligned just right, stream them).

getagrip_already

(14,697 posts)
16. I am very proud she is one of my senators....
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:03 PM
Oct 2018

And I'm pizzed as hell she has to put out this video. Who the F cares who her ancestors were? Why does her "blood" have any bearing on how good a senator she is?

Why is this shit stain of a pretender being allowed to slander people like this with DU support?

dsc

(52,155 posts)
29. I think it is fair to have a problem with the timing
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:31 PM
Oct 2018

She could have waited less than a month and done this. Other than that, I don't have any problem with it.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
37. She's in a Senate race now, where Trump and her opponent have been mocking her as Pocahontas.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:43 PM
Oct 2018

Why should she wait till the race is over?

dsc

(52,155 posts)
39. she is up by like 40 points or something
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 08:53 PM
Oct 2018

It isn't a huge deal but given that one of our races depends upon Native American turnout bigtime I think she should have waited.

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
67. Why should she wait while Trump and the GOP smear her and mock her nationwide? Trump is doing...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:38 PM
Oct 2018

...the thing he does so well, that thing he did to all his GOP presidential opponents: pick off the frontrunner, and pick off the strongest one by one and destroy them.

When are we Dems ever going to learn?

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Bradshaw3

(7,506 posts)
48. Did you even watch the video?
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:56 PM
Oct 2018

Becasue nowhere in there did she claim to be Native American, in fact she did the opposite. Nor did she "talk like she was" as you claim.

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
62. She has NEVER EVER claimed to "be a Native American." You need to listen to that ad she made...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:30 PM
Oct 2018

It is completely consistent with everything she has ever said.

Tribes decide who is in and who is not. She says that straight out.

She NEVER claimed to be other than white and female in her education or her employment.

She never claimed more about her heritage than millions of the rest of us do: somewhere in the long past we had an NA ancestor, and instead of hiding or denying it, we claim it. We don't claim to be part of any tribe, we just claim an ancient ancestor.

In Senator Warren's case, her parents were forbidden to date each other because one of them came from a family that others labeled Indian and that they were fine with that label. The young couple eloped.

Since you seem to only know the GOP slurs about her, SammyJar88, please click on the link and listen. It will only take 5 minutes. Then get back to us.

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
68. She's doing very well if Trump is trying to pick her off now. You want her to fight back, or not?
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:40 PM
Oct 2018

I vote for fight back.

Bradshaw3

(7,506 posts)
52. What a terrific ad and story
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:03 PM
Oct 2018

I can't believe some of the petty criticism of her on DU today. It is a great video, both personally and politicaly. Candidates often run more personal ads to humanize them after suffering through personal attacks. Warren has been a strong voice for the people who have been hurt most by repub policies. She also has a remarkable personal story of growing up through hard times after her father died, and going from commuter college to becoming one of the country's outstanding law professors and later consumer advocates.

Every Democrat should cherish her. A woman I dated for a long time went to Northwest Classen HS in OKC with her so I've followed her for a long time. She has never disappointed me. Here's a story about her rallying Oklahoma teachers during her visit:

http://www.normantranscript.com/news/sen-elizabeth-warren-releases-campaign-video-based-in-norman/article_a16c1f8e-d098-11e8-8000-83121765dcbc.html

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
55. Thanks for the link! And the link it led me to . . .
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:07 PM
Oct 2018
http://www.normantranscript.com/news/education/sen-elizabeth-warren-rallies-teachers-at-her-alma-mater-in/article_8b15f2df-685a-534e-8c9a-aa323db7cdd7.html

It was in Woodrow Wilson Elementary School in Norman, in Mrs. Lee's sunny classroom with shiny blue desks, where the second grader was told she could become a teacher.

"A teacher — her words changed my life," the now senior U.S. Senator from Massachusetts said during a teacher rally in Oklahoma City Saturday afternoon. "No one in my family had graduated college; no one had told me I could amount to much of anything. But when Mrs. Lee said 'Yes, Ms. Besty, you can be a teacher,' I never saw myself the same way again."

Warren delivered a message praising educators for their efforts during the April teacher walkout and encouraging them to continue fighting for education funding at the polls and by running for office. The Northwest Classen High School graduate cast the Nov. 6 mid-terms as the next round in a fight that requires teachers and education advocates to partner with unions like the American Federation of Teachers, which sponsored Saturday's rally.

"We're up against billionaires and giant corporations who are determined to rig the system so they can get richer and more powerful… against a culture of corruption where government only works for the wealthy and well-connected," Warren said. "We have a tough fight on our hands. They have more money than we do, they already run big chunks of government, but here's what I want you to think about: there's a whole lot more of us than there is of them."

Oneironaut

(5,491 posts)
63. This whole thing is a bullshit distraction, and the media is falling for it.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:31 PM
Oct 2018

Not one Republican claim about Warren is true. In fact, they were the ones proven to be wrong.

And yet, people still fall for total bullshit. The goal posts have moved by miles now. Trump was wrong - completely wrong. His latest stamping off victoriously because the test proved Warren wasn’t “Native American enough” is grade-A bullshit, and our media refuses to call him out on it.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
65. Watch the ad. It's a compelling ad and she's up for re-election. She shows her
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:34 PM
Oct 2018

lower middle class background and all the acclaim by the faculty and administrators at universities where she taught.

She has turned Trump's attacks back around at him. We should be applauding her for it.

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