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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,766 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 07:15 PM Oct 2018

Air Force struggles to determine cost of F-22 damage from hurricane

The Air Force has yet to assign a dollar amount to repair F-22 Raptor fighter jets damaged during Hurricane Michael, in part, because the fifth-generation fighter jets are stuck in damaged hangars and awaiting assessment.

The service is assessing the damage at Florida’s Tyndall Air Force Base, which was hammered last week by the Category 4 storm. Officials are making sure the aircraft hangars used to house the F-22s are structurally sound before removing the jets for a more in-depth review with maintenance experts, an Air Force spokesperson told The Hill.

Officials stressed, however, that none of the aircraft were destroyed.

“We do not have any destroyed aircraft at Tyndall. Visually all of the aircraft are intact, they generally look to be in good shape,” Air Force Director of public affairs Brig. Gen. Edward Thomas told reporters Tuesday.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/411958-air-force-struggles-to-determine-cost-of-f-22-damage-from-hurricane

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jpak

(41,757 posts)
3. They couldn't fly - maintenance issues
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 07:30 PM
Oct 2018

Speak volumes about the readiness of our premier fighter aircraft...

jpak

(41,757 posts)
6. You would think that FL AF-bases would have blast-hardened (hurricane-proof) shelters
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 07:39 PM
Oct 2018

But maybe not...



Amishman

(5,554 posts)
8. Aircraft being down for maintenance or overhauls is normal
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 09:40 PM
Oct 2018

I'm more alarmed that there weren't any hangers rated for a storm like this

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
12. The ones they COULD fly out, they did...
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 09:28 AM
Oct 2018

and relatively speaking, Tyndall does have a higher combat readiness percentage than the average...

jpak

(41,757 posts)
2. The US only has 180-some-odd F-22s
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 07:28 PM
Oct 2018

Even a small loss (17 aircraft) would be a significant loss to the Air force.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
9. Exposed by Michael: Climate Threat to Warplanes at Coastal Bases
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 08:44 AM
Oct 2018

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"When Hurricane Michael wrecked much of Tyndall Air Force Base near Panama City, Fla., last week, the storm exposed a significant military vulnerability. The base’s F-22 stealth fighter jets may be unmatched in the skies, but they were all but defenseless on the ground, as the powerful storm ripped apart hangars, flooded buildings and scattered debris.

Most of Tyndall’s 55 F-22s were flown away to safety before the storm hit, but 17 of the aircraft had been grounded for maintenance and could not be made airworthy in time. Those jets, worth about $5.8 billion — more than three times what it would cost to rebuild the entire base from scratch — had to be left behind, and many were damaged.

The Air Force played down the harm this week, saying that all the aircraft could be repaired. But the military has more than a dozen air bases right on the coast in storm-prone southern states, where scientists predict that hurricanes will grow more intense and more frequent because of global warming. Michael’s devastation of Tyndall raises question about how well the bases are defended against the elements."

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"Several factors conspired to put a tenth of the nation’s F-22 fleet at risk in Hurricane Michael. The sophisticated jets are notoriously temperamental, and at any given time, only about half the them are mission-ready, according to a recent Air Force report. The storm appeared and developed swiftly, giving maintenance crews only a few days’ warning to get as many jets airworthy as they could. And though the 17 F-22s left behind were put in hangars built to weather tropical storms, the buildings were no match for a Category 4 monster whose winds were clocked at 130 miles an hour before they broke the base’s wind gauge."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/us/tyndall-afb-damage-hurricane-michael.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage&action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage


Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. For decades land in the southeast was cheap and plentiful
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 09:35 AM
Oct 2018

and congresscritters threw in a lot of perks to get military bases relocated here...

Now those chickens have come home to roost...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Reportedly, the ones left behind were in hangars.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 09:07 AM
Oct 2018
NYT: Most of Tyndall’s 55 F-22s were flown away to safety before the storm hit, but 17 of the aircraft had been grounded for maintenance and could not be made airworthy in time. Those jets, worth about $5.8 billion — more than three times what it would cost to rebuild the entire base from scratch — had to be left behind, and many were damaged.

Several factors conspired to put a tenth of the nation’s F-22 fleet at risk in Hurricane Michael. The sophisticated jets are notoriously temperamental, and at any given time, only about half the them are mission-ready, according to a recent Air Force report. The storm appeared and developed swiftly, giving maintenance crews only a few days’ warning to get as many jets airworthy as they could. And though the 17 F-22s left behind were put in hangars built to weather tropical storms, the buildings were no match for a Category 4 monster whose winds were clocked at 130 miles an hour before they broke the base’s wind gauge. ...

With more than a dozen Air Force, Navy and Marine airfields dotting the coast from Texas to Virginia, military leaders know that another disaster is only a matter of time, General Arlen said, but they may run into trouble addressing the growing threat by name because of President Trump’s outspoken skepticism about climate change.

“Leaders have to walk on eggshells with the administration about what they say,” the general said. “They have to frame it in terms of resiliency and preparedness.”

Whatever words are used, there is no cheap or easy way to safeguard aircraft from storms like Michael. Fleets of fighters cannot simply be relocated permanently to inland bases, experts say, because vast, empty training areas are needed where pilots can safely fire missiles and shoot down target drones. Most of those areas are over the ocean.

The base has 11,000 personnel, and they were all evacuated without injury but apparently are not allowed yet to visit base housing to see how it fared.

I've seen plans for massive seawalling of whole areas to protect some, but hurricanes are another issue. How much worse are they going to get? What do we build for? The Atlantic circulation has slowed to a 1000-year low -- so far. Record hot water temperatures in hurricane areas -- so far.

Those eager to cast angry blame should obviously start conserving and stockpiling some extra energy for the future. It's not only going to get worse, but there's real danger of accelerated and even very abrupt and abruptly catastrophic climate change effects, very promising for outrages like you've never felt.
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