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Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)#resist
lame54
(35,279 posts)Hekate
(90,624 posts)volstork
(5,399 posts)Phenotype
Hekate
(90,624 posts)...in the cartoon share a similar European heritage (or, gene-pool) leading to them having a similar cast of features as drawn by the cartoonist.
Better?
volstork
(5,399 posts)just (unsuccessfully) funny. Phenotype describes how someone looks.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)maybe the artist was thinking about him when he drew it.
Hekate
(90,624 posts)...to see this now. In the runup to Dubya's War my poor MIL was getting flashbacks from all the media propaganda, as were several other elderly Europeans I met in the course of my antiwar work.
What's happening to us now is heinous. A question has started to haunt me: If we go the way of Germany, who will play the part of America in stopping us?
Fix The Stupid
(947 posts)Forget all about 1939 to 1941...lol.
Forget the russians, lol.
Forget the Canadians, lol.
And we wonder why people think so little of Americans...
Swallow that propaganda.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)Hekate
(90,624 posts)He had many stories, which came out a few at a time in his conversations with me. He told me once of rescuing 5 American airmen who had been shot down and were being hidden in an attic. They remembered him gratefully, and after the war was over personally tracked him down and sent him food that was then in short supply in Belgium.
My late MIL persuaded a few of her family to flee the Anschluss, from Vienna into Belgium. Everyone who stayed behind perished. Some of them still were sent to Auschwitz from Belgium. At the end of the war, she herself was arrested, but while in the first camp missed the last train out to Auschwitz by a week or two, and was liberated by the Americans.
I didn't need to be married into my husband's family to know this: my mother was of the mind that the next generation should know, and there was abundant literature when I was growing up, which I read extensively; and the subject was taught in public schools. I taught my kids -- gods only know what is being taught in schools today, but the overall adult American population today seems to be massively ignorant: Uncle Sam is either a flawless saint or a dreadful villain, with no shades of gray.
ck4829
(35,042 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,309 posts)Who will play America's part in stopping us?
The U.S. was in a unique geographical and industrial position to supply the Allied forces. Geography was a big defense at the time. Our industrial capacity, including resources on the continent, allowed us to ramp up production to meet the needs.
If the British, Russians, Australians, New Zealanders, and others, had not held while the U.S. was being isolationist and then converting industry to wartime production, we would likely live in a different world today. If the Canadians had waited for the U.S., we would likely live in a different world today.
It was a world war.
It's a different world now and nukes may make another such world war unsurvivable.
Hekate
(90,624 posts)America was isolationist too long and Europe was near-exhausted by the time we joined the battle.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,323 posts)... established that US economic might did, in fact, save the day.
The Russians did the heavy lifting when it came to Germany but they, and England, were tapped and would have succumbed without our resources and supply.
Dont believe me? Listen to Boris Vadimovich Sokolov and Khrushchev.
Please excuse the Wikipedia. Its just so convenient.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:
On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources.[24]
Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:
I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so.[30]
Joseph Stalin, during the Tehran Conference during 1943, acknowledged publicly the importance of American efforts during a dinner at the conference: "Without American production the United Nations [the Allies] could never have won the war."[31][32]
In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov is quoted as saying:
Today [1963] some say the Allies didn't really help us But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war.[33]
Hekate
(90,624 posts)...the Axis. (Yes, the alliance of Germany, Italy, and Japan was called The Axis, and has nothing to do with Dubya. )
By the time America's isolationism could be overcome, the invaded and conquered territories around the globe were just about exhausted of manpower and resources. America had an abundance of both, and once the threat was actually understood, America also had the will.
Memories fade, and high school students think history is boring and see no lessons in it for today, carrying this ignorance into adulthood. It makes them willing to believe that the truth is mere propaganda. It makes them willing to believe there was/is no basis for the place America held in the post-WWII world as "the indispensible nation." It makes them unable to understand the depths of Putin's malevolent destruction of that place, and the depths of Trump's collaboration.
In you I see one of those people. lol
Silver Gaia
(4,542 posts)I am still wondering. I can see no good answer to that question.
I've concluded that it is up to us to save ourselves--and the rest of the world--by stopping it while we still can using the power of the ballot box.
That's why we must GOTV and vote like our lives depend on it. Because they do.
Power to the People: VOTE!
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)for enough ww2 vets to die off that their voices can't be heard as warning. our elderly population is now the Korean generation. The "stop communism and socialism at all costs" generation.
it was a long con all along.
eppur_se_muova
(36,257 posts)I think lots of crazy uncles have sent their own comics to the NYT editors.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)They've been kissing way too much right-wing ass, lately.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)zed nada
(60 posts)...... what we all need to face... and deal with. The future is here......
SCantiGOP
(13,868 posts)thanks for posting
mountain grammy
(26,610 posts)thanks for posting this.