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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBreathless CNN & MSNBC pundits over a House "horse race"
Both besides themselves this morning with different pundits saying Trump and GOP surging in polls with Republicans coming home. Saying that blue wave now not gonna happen and Dems may or may not win back the House and will lose seats in the Senate.
I had to turn tv off. It wasnt just a mention of a poll or two. It was a palpable glee and energy that Election night will somehow be exciting now.
Forget that the country has moved further into one party aristocratic rule. Thats ok with them.
I hate everyone right now. Going to take long bath. Then will get back on the phones trying to GET out the early vote in my area.
bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)Pundits on these shows are trying as desperately as they can to keep the race close, but they're failing.
Butterflylady
(3,537 posts)It's called ratings!!!!
rockfordfile
(8,695 posts)peekaloo
(22,977 posts)and the viewer is left with horseshit.
MontanaMama
(23,294 posts)Im swearing all of them off except Rachel until after Nov 6th.
Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)DUgosh
(3,054 posts)As if these polls are true.
Guppy
(444 posts)republicans always vote and they are always voting republican
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Go which ever way the wind blows. I used to like Kornaki. Now, he is so full of himself he has become a bag of wind.
Scarborough and Mika put Trump in the WhiteHouse. Not they hate him, but show him over and over.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)The Red and the Blue. What a goofy title. Why does every talking head on MSNBC have to have a book they are selling even if they have a good idea? Wait for it-Money money money.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)He bores me to tears with his breathless polls.
I think I am just burnt out. Nothing left.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)24/7 Breathless, High Pitched, Breaking News Infotainment designed to fill the space between ads for drugs we never knew we needed.
I would urge all to simply turn off cable news.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)ooky
(8,905 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Heaven forbid that Medicare would actually pay for everything. Ugh
The Blue Flower
(5,432 posts)"Trump has a message and the dems don't." "Where are the dems?" "Dems are going to lose." How about giving them the free ad time you did to il drumpf?
badhair77
(4,206 posts)Her no message Dems is her daily message and Im done. Shes preachy and Joe bloviates. Not a good way to spend my time.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Complacency is our enemy.
She was lighting a fire under Dems who are comforting themselves with the #BlueWave warm fuzzies.
What she said is exactly what we need to hear to redouble our efforts in making campaign contributions, volunteering to help get out the vote, and committing to show up and vote.
You can call it hand-wringing, but it appears all her comments were based in fact.
Yes, many of the races we're counting on are closer than we expected.
Yes, the GOPers are now as energized to vote as the Dems are.
Yes, tons of cash are being dumped on GOP candidates by all the usual billionaires.
Yes, Trump did rise in the polls.
So maybe we should quit getting our feelings hurt anytime someone on TV dares to suggest Dems CAN'T cruise to an easy win and just keep working our assess off.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Before the 2016 election, she warned that trump could win. She took a LOT of shit for making that observation!
Unfortunately, she was correct. She was scared to death about it and what it could mean.
After trump won, she asked Joe if this country would be alright because she is terrified. He told her, "Yes, our institutions and guardrails will hold. We will survive this".
Now I'm not so sure either one of them believe that's true!
I think they're even more scared now!
Yesterday, Joe's advice to Democrats was, "Ring doorbells!! Talk to people and ASK FOR THEIR VOTE!"
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Democrats have plenty of messages but they are so glued on what Trump will shout at a Reporter as he goes off on another expensive trip to appear before his hired goons.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Dems way ahead for over a year...then mysteriously, right before the election the gop rallies (on a non-existent platform), and right before the race it's neck and neck. Then by a "shocking squeaker" the gop candidate pulls off a stunning win, to come from behind. Same formula. Different election. Then the right wing lectures begin on "why we lost' for 'credibility'....wash, rinse, repeat.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)this pattern has happened so many times it's hard not to notice. Hopefully, this time, I'm wrong.
The Intel Agencies have already signaled that the soviet union continues to tamper w our elections. The groundwork could be laid already. **ZERO has happened to make elections honest since 2016. Took a year and a half for dt to admit it. Lot's of acknowledgments that things are broken by folks other than he though...but here we are again.
"Polling' is another tactic of this type to steer peoples thinking, and reduce expectations. We need landslide proportion voting to overcome this system it seems. At some point, if too many people vote, the whole 'cheating equation/algorithim' shuts down apparently. It would be too obvious if a whole nation voted for someone (Obama) , and they didn't get elected. As it is now, they just let the unhinged alt-rights hatred of the left (talk radio/fox) minimize and fight bad election results.
Just spitballing.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,570 posts)That was dissolved many years ago. Our problem is Russia.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)I prefer the soviet union when they attack us like they did the cold war.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)F--k them.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)as anything say will drive MORE democrats to vote and if WE ALL VOTE we blow the GOP out of the water.
first time in decades that democrats finally getting MAD
nycbos
(6,034 posts)Be confident but not complacent.
There are swing districts that are very close. Pay no attention to the national polls.
Make phone calls. Knock on doors.
dalton99a
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treestar
(82,383 posts)more motivated to go vote.
spanone
(135,774 posts)they profit from this bullshit.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)the media thought Hillary was going to win.
spanone
(135,774 posts)stopbush
(24,391 posts)Without that, all the free media time and anti-Hillary bashing by the media given to tRump would not have been enough for him to win.
What we can be assured is happening TODAY is that the Russians are busy right now amplifying any anti-D messages in social media to suppress D voter turnout and to lay the groundwork for Rs challenging the legality of D wins.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)they thought Hillary was going to win.
Zambero
(8,962 posts)Repeat lies and utter nonsense often enough, and the liar / buffoon eventually becomes "legitimate".
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)He was calling in to every show every day,including his dear friends, joe and Mika until he exposed her face lift and threatened to expose their affair.
Suddenly they became engaged.
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Stellar
(5,644 posts)Just....GET OUT THE VOTE!!!
Don't get discouraged. Just VOTE!
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)BSdetect
(8,994 posts)Its just that. False excitement to lure viewers and generate ad revenue.
Appalling.
Just ignore cable "news" and such.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)They ARE closing the gap.
They DO vote more often and more regularly than we do.
They DO have more money than we do.
If folks don't like that, then get out and vote and convince others to vote.
But the idea that Dems don't traditionally vote as much as Reps in midterm elections isn't some fantasy concocted by the networks to juice ratings. It's fucking history.
stopbush
(24,391 posts)Why do these raw numbers never figure into the calculation? Only 25% of voters identify as Rs. The country is NOT split 50/50 as the media would have you believe.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and less of a larger group, at some point that line gets crossed until the larger group does something about it.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)And they pass laws to restrict voting and allow gerrymandering, and profit from their positions. The race MAY be closing, maybe it isn't. The early voting in most states is 3 times what it was for 2016. I'll be curious to see vote counts.
ps...we are/did vote. Did you?
Welcome to DU.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)They will probably cheat next time too. Until we actually get enough folks voting to get into power, it won't matter what they do.
The first day early voting numbers look great. Who that favors time will tell. But the reality is, until the polls close on election day, there's no guarantee for a wave or not a wave or anything. So folks need to get out and vote and encourage others to vote.
Early voting started today and I haven't received my registration confirmation yet since I just moved to a new state less than a eyar ago. Once I get that confirmation, I will stop by the library I've already identified on my drive home and early vote.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Youre preaching to the choir. Probably most of us old timers here already voted by mail in.
Yes. You get your vote in alright??
I am disappointed that high profile democrats are not out there countering the Trump BS. When is Obama going to do rallies to counter Donies Rallies ?
stopbush
(24,391 posts)Im not talking of a single State, Im talking about a popular ex-President joining the fight to ensure that we flip the House. Surely you are not comparing Obamas National profile and gravitas the Betos.
stopbush
(24,391 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:00 PM - Edit history (3)
I know hes doing something today, but I have not seen Obama do any rallies up to today.
stopbush
(24,391 posts)Obama kicked off his Fall campaigning in Anaheim on September 8, and has been campaigning for the past 6 weeks.
Geez, what DEMOCRAT wouldn't know that?
lapucelle
(18,185 posts)People who have not seen what President Obama has been doing should probably simply pay more attention.
Great that Pres. Obama has started to do rallies. Still, his rallies should be as frequent as Don the Cons.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/18/us/politics/obama-campaign-trail-virginia-new-jersey-alabama.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/05/barack-obama-midterm-elections-ohio-california
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/08/645913806/obama-hits-midterm-campaign-trail
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/us/politics/obama-midterms.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-05/obama-takes-on-trump-hitting-campaign-trail-for-2018-democrats
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/obama-is-back-on-the-campaign-trail-1317239875965?v=railb&
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/were-going-to-fight-president-obama-hits-the-campaign-trail-in-california/2018/09/08/30ffd606-b38c-11e8-9a6a-565d92a3585d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1db2cef9fa32
LBM20
(1,580 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)stopbush
(24,391 posts)We'd be hearing how the Ds might as well hang it up as a party, and that the Rs looked to be headed to one-party rule for as far as one could imagine.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)One thing I always remember, there was a point when Obama basically had the election won, but the west coast polls hadn't closed yet, so they couldn't officially call it.
One of the MSNBC pundits was doing math on air and saying how when polls close and assuming Obama wins California, Oregon and Hawaii, it'll put him over 270.
Rachel Maddow immediately states "Yes, but that's not considering Arizona, and what if McCain wins Oregon and Hawaii?", as if there was any chance in hell that a Republican was going to win Oregon and Hawaii. She knew it wasn't possible, but it was her job to try to keep viewers on the screen and if people KNEW the election was over, they'd turn it off.
So she was trying to create a horse-race when there wasn't one, just to try to keep eyeballs on the screen. That's what all cable pundits are trying to do right now. They need a horse-race for their ratings, so they're talking as if it is one.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)except in places we were probably going to lose anyway...
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)GOTV!!
dchill
(38,429 posts)seem almost plausible...
To THEM.
unblock
(52,107 posts)if that were true, then they'd prop up democrats and tear down republicans when republicans were in the lead. but they rarely do that. instead, they find a different narrative, that the democrat is scandalous or inept and that the republican is dynamic and exciting or whatever.
somehow the "bias for a horse race" only happens when it helps republicans.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)ALL OF THEM.. This is what they do, and then gasp breathlessly in horror when a trump gets elected - they are part of the problem and they benefit from what has been created..
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)any 24/7 news station.
I've felt much better in life.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Works,too.