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Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:48 AM

Breathless CNN & MSNBC pundits over a House "horse race"

Both besides themselves this morning with different pundits saying Trump and GOP surging in polls with Republicans coming home. Saying that blue wave now not gonna happen and Dems may or may not win back the House and will lose seats in the Senate.

I had to turn tv off. It wasnít just a mention of a poll or two. It was a palpable glee and energy that Election night will somehow be exciting now.
Forget that the country has moved further into one party aristocratic rule. Thatís ok with them.

I hate everyone right now. Going to take long bath. Then will get back on the phones trying to GET out the early vote in my area.

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Reply Breathless CNN & MSNBC pundits over a House "horse race" (Original post)
Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 OP
bearsfootball516 Oct 2018 #1
Butterflylady Oct 2018 #16
rockfordfile Oct 2018 #60
peekaloo Oct 2018 #2
MontanaMama Oct 2018 #3
Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #5
DUgosh Oct 2018 #4
Guppy Oct 2018 #6
True Blue American Oct 2018 #8
redstateblues Oct 2018 #53
True Blue American Oct 2018 #63
Sherman A1 Oct 2018 #7
wasupaloopa Oct 2018 #9
MoonRiver Oct 2018 #14
ooky Oct 2018 #33
MoonRiver Oct 2018 #35
The Blue Flower Oct 2018 #10
badhair77 Oct 2018 #18
JaneQPublic Oct 2018 #25
Kentonio Oct 2018 #32
PearliePoo2 Oct 2018 #39
True Blue American Oct 2018 #64
Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #11
Merlot Oct 2018 #31
Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #34
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #58
True Blue American Oct 2018 #66
Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #70
DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #12
beachbum bob Oct 2018 #13
nycbos Oct 2018 #15
dalton99a Oct 2018 #17
Name removed Oct 2018 #19
treestar Oct 2018 #20
spanone Oct 2018 #21
qazplm135 Oct 2018 #28
spanone Oct 2018 #29
stopbush Oct 2018 #36
qazplm135 Oct 2018 #48
Zambero Oct 2018 #56
True Blue American Oct 2018 #68
Name removed Oct 2018 #22
Stellar Oct 2018 #23
JaneQPublic Oct 2018 #26
BSdetect Oct 2018 #24
qazplm135 Oct 2018 #27
stopbush Oct 2018 #37
qazplm135 Oct 2018 #46
Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #41
qazplm135 Oct 2018 #47
Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #71
rso Oct 2018 #30
stopbush Oct 2018 #38
rso Oct 2018 #40
stopbush Oct 2018 #42
rso Oct 2018 #43
stopbush Oct 2018 #49
lapucelle Oct 2018 #61
rso Oct 2018 #74
lapucelle Oct 2018 #59
LBM20 Oct 2018 #67
sarcasmo Oct 2018 #44
stopbush Oct 2018 #50
sarcasmo Oct 2018 #73
sunonmars Oct 2018 #45
bearsfootball516 Oct 2018 #57
JCMach1 Oct 2018 #51
Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #72
BlueJac Oct 2018 #52
dchill Oct 2018 #54
unblock Oct 2018 #55
disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #62
BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #65
True Blue American Oct 2018 #69

Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:50 AM

1. FiveThirtyEight as the Democrats chance of a House flip at 85 percent, the highest ever.

Pundits on these shows are trying as desperately as they can to keep the race close, but they're failing.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:25 AM

16. Yes

It's called ratings!!!!

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:32 PM

60. That doesn't mean anything. You have to get out and vote.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:51 AM

2. Their paychecks depend on it.

and the viewer is left with horseshit.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:52 AM

3. We've been here before.

Iím swearing all of them off except Rachel until after Nov 6th.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:54 AM

5. Probably wise. I don't know why I torture myself.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:53 AM

4. We need to vote

As if these ďpollsĒ are true.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:54 AM

6. There was never an enthusiasm gap

 

republicans always vote and they are always voting republican

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Response to Guppy (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:58 AM

8. The pundits

Go which ever way the wind blows. I used to like Kornaki. Now, he is so full of himself he has become a bag of wind.

Scarborough and Mika put Trump in the WhiteHouse. Not they hate him, but show him over and over.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:14 PM

53. Kornacki is unwatchable anymore, especially when he hawks his stupid book

The Red and the Blue. What a goofy title. Why does every talking head on MSNBC have to have a book they are selling even if they have a good idea? Wait for it-Money money money.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #53)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:44 PM

63. Good question

He bores me to tears with his breathless polls.

I think I am just burnt out. Nothing left.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:54 AM

7. I watch just a few minutes of CNN each week and it's always the same

24/7 Breathless, High Pitched, Breaking News Infotainment designed to fill the space between ads for drugs we never knew we needed.

I would urge all to simply turn off cable news.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:00 AM

9. Drugs, weight loss, toe fungus and attorneys fishing for clients.

 

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:18 AM

14. And don't forget meds for diarrhea, constipation and heart burn.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:01 AM

33. And Medicare Advantage plans to pay for it all.

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Response to ooky (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:10 AM

35. But of course.

Heaven forbid that Medicare would actually pay for everything. Ugh

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:03 AM

10. I had to turn off Mika's hand wringing this a.m.

"Trump has a message and the dems don't." "Where are the dems?" "Dems are going to lose." How about giving them the free ad time you did to il drumpf?

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Response to The Blue Flower (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:31 AM

18. Exactly. They even gave time to his empty podium during the primary and the GE.

Her ďno message DemsĒ is her daily message and Iím done. Sheís preachy and Joe bloviates. Not a good way to spend my time.

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Response to The Blue Flower (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:44 AM

25. It's hard to hear, but Mika was doing Dems a favor.

Complacency is our enemy.

She was lighting a fire under Dems who are comforting themselves with the #BlueWave warm fuzzies.

What she said is exactly what we need to hear to redouble our efforts in making campaign contributions, volunteering to help get out the vote, and committing to show up and vote.

You can call it hand-wringing, but it appears all her comments were based in fact.

Yes, many of the races we're counting on are closer than we expected.

Yes, the GOPers are now as energized to vote as the Dems are.

Yes, tons of cash are being dumped on GOP candidates by all the usual billionaires.

Yes, Trump did rise in the polls.

So maybe we should quit getting our feelings hurt anytime someone on TV dares to suggest Dems CAN'T cruise to an easy win and just keep working our assess off.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:57 AM

32. +1000

 

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:28 AM

39. YES! Thank you!


Before the 2016 election, she warned that trump could win. She took a LOT of shit for making that observation!

Unfortunately, she was correct. She was scared to death about it and what it could mean.
After trump won, she asked Joe if this country would be alright because she is terrified. He told her, "Yes, our institutions and guardrails will hold. We will survive this".

Now I'm not so sure either one of them believe that's true!
I think they're even more scared now!

Yesterday, Joe's advice to Democrats was, "Ring doorbells!! Talk to people and ASK FOR THEIR VOTE!"




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Response to The Blue Flower (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:48 PM

64. That is what I mean.

Democrats have plenty of messages but they are so glued on what Trump will shout at a Reporter as he goes off on another expensive trip to appear before his hired goons.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:07 AM

11. This is what election stealing desensitization looks like.

Dems way ahead for over a year...then mysteriously, right before the election the gop rallies (on a non-existent platform), and right before the race it's neck and neck. Then by a "shocking squeaker" the gop candidate pulls off a stunning win, to come from behind. Same formula. Different election. Then the right wing lectures begin on "why we lost' for 'credibility'....wash, rinse, repeat.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:55 AM

31. yes, it's deja vu all over again.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:01 AM

34. Watch media election coverage...

this pattern has happened so many times it's hard not to notice. Hopefully, this time, I'm wrong.
The Intel Agencies have already signaled that the soviet union continues to tamper w our elections. The groundwork could be laid already. **ZERO has happened to make elections honest since 2016. Took a year and a half for dt to admit it. Lot's of acknowledgments that things are broken by folks other than he though...but here we are again.
"Polling' is another tactic of this type to steer peoples thinking, and reduce expectations. We need landslide proportion voting to overcome this system it seems. At some point, if too many people vote, the whole 'cheating equation/algorithim' shuts down apparently. It would be too obvious if a whole nation voted for someone (Obama) , and they didn't get elected. As it is now, they just let the unhinged alt-rights hatred of the left (talk radio/fox) minimize and fight bad election results.
Just spitballing.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:27 PM

58. I'm just being picky here but there is no Soviet Union.

That was dissolved many years ago. Our problem is Russia.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:50 PM

66. Our problems are Putin, Trump and the old white men in Congress, to be really picky!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:11 PM

70. No way. Really? Russia, soviet union, all the same, tends to only piss off russians in my exp.

I prefer the soviet union when they attack us like they did the cold war.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:10 AM

12. Our very form of government is at stake and those clowns are obsessing over a horse race.

F--k them.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:12 AM

13. media commentary is about veiwership and why they have to say and do what they do and ITS OK

 

as anything say will drive MORE democrats to vote and if WE ALL VOTE we blow the GOP out of the water.

first time in decades that democrats finally getting MAD

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:18 AM

15. Do take anything for granted. That is one of the reasons we lost in 2016.

Be confident but not complacent.


There are swing districts that are very close. Pay no attention to the national polls.

Make phone calls. Knock on doors.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:27 AM

17. Fuck them. GOTV




How to Vote Early in the 2018 Midterm Elections


Early Voting in Texas Starts TODAY!!



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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:37 AM

20. Hopefully anyone that would influence will be

more motivated to go vote.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 08:37 AM

21. the media is hunkering down...i am ignoring them. they did the same in 2016.

they profit from this bullshit.

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Response to spanone (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:52 AM

28. actually in 2016

the media thought Hillary was going to win.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:54 AM

29. the pollsters thought Hillary was going to win. the media gave trump $2Billion free airtime

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Response to spanone (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:16 AM

36. Yep, but tRump won because the Russians partnered with him to beat Hillary.

Without that, all the free media time and anti-Hillary bashing by the media given to tRump would not have been enough for him to win.

What we can be assured is happening TODAY is that the Russians are busy right now amplifying any anti-D messages in social media to suppress D voter turnout and to lay the groundwork for Rs challenging the legality of D wins.

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Response to spanone (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 11:27 AM

48. the media gave him free airtime BECAUSE

they thought Hillary was going to win.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #48)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:22 PM

56. Entertainment value is not without consequences

Repeat lies and utter nonsense often enough, and the liar / buffoon eventually becomes "legitimate".

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:54 PM

68. But they pushed Trump like crazy

He was calling in to every show every day,including his dear friends, joe and Mika until he exposed her face lift and threatened to expose their affair.

Suddenly they became engaged.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:22 AM

23. Hillary was ahead in the polls up to Election Day....until she lost.

Just....GET OUT THE VOTE!!!
Don't get discouraged. Just VOTE!

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Response to Stellar (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:46 AM

26. +1,000 (nt)

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:36 AM

24. I cannot bear to watch these crapheads chasing their ratings

Its just that. False excitement to lure viewers and generate ad revenue.

Appalling.

Just ignore cable "news" and such.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:51 AM

27. It IS a horse race!

They ARE closing the gap.

They DO vote more often and more regularly than we do.

They DO have more money than we do.

If folks don't like that, then get out and vote and convince others to vote.

But the idea that Dems don't traditionally vote as much as Reps in midterm elections isn't some fantasy concocted by the networks to juice ratings. It's fucking history.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:18 AM

37. And there are many fewer Rs than Ds in this country.

Why do these raw numbers never figure into the calculation? Only 25% of voters identify as Rs. The country is NOT split 50/50 as the media would have you believe.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 11:24 AM

46. Because when you have more of a smaller group

and less of a larger group, at some point that line gets crossed until the larger group does something about it.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:48 AM

41. Neither is it fantasy that Repubs cheat to win, even with our enemies.

And they pass laws to restrict voting and allow gerrymandering, and profit from their positions. The race MAY be closing, maybe it isn't. The early voting in most states is 3 times what it was for 2016. I'll be curious to see vote counts.
ps...we are/did vote. Did you?
Welcome to DU.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 11:27 AM

47. yeah and?

They will probably cheat next time too. Until we actually get enough folks voting to get into power, it won't matter what they do.

The first day early voting numbers look great. Who that favors time will tell. But the reality is, until the polls close on election day, there's no guarantee for a wave or not a wave or anything. So folks need to get out and vote and encourage others to vote.

Early voting started today and I haven't received my registration confirmation yet since I just moved to a new state less than a eyar ago. Once I get that confirmation, I will stop by the library I've already identified on my drive home and early vote.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:13 PM

71. Youre at DU. We all vote.

Youre preaching to the choir. Probably most of us old timers here already voted by mail in.
Yes. You get your vote in alright??

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 09:55 AM

30. Dems

I am disappointed that high profile democrats are not out there countering the Trump BS. When is Obama going to do rallies to counter Donieís Rallies ?

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Response to rso (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:18 AM

38. Wrong. Ever heard of Beto?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:45 AM

40. Dems

Iím not talking of a single State, Iím talking about a popular ex-President joining the fight to ensure that we flip the House. Surely you are not comparing Obamaís National profile and gravitas the Betoís.

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Response to rso (Reply #40)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 10:50 AM

42. Surely you're not saying that President Obama is not out there campaigning, are you?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 11:10 AM

43. Dems

I know heís doing something today, but I have not seen Obama do any rallies up to today.

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Response to rso (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:02 PM

49. Might that be because you're not paying attention?

Obama kicked off his Fall campaigning in Anaheim on September 8, and has been campaigning for the past 6 weeks.

Geez, what DEMOCRAT wouldn't know that?

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Response to rso (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:35 PM

61. Why do the headlines read "Dems"?



People who have not seen what President Obama has been doing should probably simply pay more attention.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #61)

Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:10 AM

74. Obama

Great that Pres. Obama has started to do rallies. Still, his rallies should be as frequent as Don the Conís.

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Response to rso (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:51 PM

67. He is doing them NOW. Also Biden has been out BIGTIME. And Sanders. And Harris. And others.

 

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 11:13 AM

44. CNN and MSNBC do that for ratings. The sky is falling nonsense here makes me laugh.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:04 PM

50. Imagine if it was the Rs enjoying a nine-point advantage in the polls.

We'd be hearing how the Ds might as well hang it up as a party, and that the Rs looked to be headed to one-party rule for as far as one could imagine.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #50)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:25 PM

73. Bingo. That's how CNN and MSNBC report around election time.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 11:14 AM

45. of course they want to create a horse race, they want bums on seats watching on election night.

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Response to sunonmars (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:23 PM

57. Yep. For fun, I've rewatched the 2008 election on MSNBC a few times this year.

One thing I always remember, there was a point when Obama basically had the election won, but the west coast polls hadn't closed yet, so they couldn't officially call it.

One of the MSNBC pundits was doing math on air and saying how when polls close and assuming Obama wins California, Oregon and Hawaii, it'll put him over 270.

Rachel Maddow immediately states "Yes, but that's not considering Arizona, and what if McCain wins Oregon and Hawaii?", as if there was any chance in hell that a Republican was going to win Oregon and Hawaii. She knew it wasn't possible, but it was her job to try to keep viewers on the screen and if people KNEW the election was over, they'd turn it off.

So she was trying to create a horse-race when there wasn't one, just to try to keep eyeballs on the screen. That's what all cable pundits are trying to do right now. They need a horse-race for their ratings, so they're talking as if it is one.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:06 PM

51. Beating the same dead horse since Kavanaugh, polls began to shift back to D since

except in places we were probably going to lose anyway...

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:37 PM

72. +1 This.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:12 PM

52. Fuck them!

GOTV!!

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:14 PM

54. This is the kind of shit that made Trump's win...

seem almost plausible...

To THEM.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:16 PM

55. i used to buy the lie that the media roots for a "horse race" for the sake of ratings.

if that were true, then they'd prop up democrats and tear down republicans when republicans were in the lead. but they rarely do that. instead, they find a different narrative, that the democrat is scandalous or inept and that the republican is dynamic and exciting or whatever.

somehow the "bias for a horse race" only happens when it helps republicans.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:12 PM

62. I tuned out corporate owned media a while ago..

 

ALL OF THEM.. This is what they do, and then gasp breathlessly in horror when a trump gets elected - they are part of the problem and they benefit from what has been created..

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:49 PM

65. i've gone a week without watching

 

any 24/7 news station.

I've felt much better in life.

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Response to BigGermanGuy (Reply #65)

Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:56 PM

69. My kids told me to turn it off.

Works,too.

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