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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs there any truth to this MSNBC article that just came out?
Seems kind of bizarre, considering Democrats typically dominate early voting, and this is a year when Democrats are extremely fired up.
Link to tweet
elleng
(130,865 posts)Dems won Clark by only 44 percent to 37 percent in big 24,000-voter turnout on Day Two added 1,500 votes to their margin in the South, but well under reg advantage of 13 percent. Margin in Clark is now 6,000 5,500 if you include absentees.
On Day Two four years ago, the GOP actually edged the Dems in Clark, signaling the deepening red wave. Turnout was only 7.500.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211305282
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)NBC is reporting on Statewide numbers
Statewide, Dems are ahead, by exactly the percentage reported in the story.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)Cheetolini and the RNC have been making lotsa media buys. As in MSM, of which MSNBC is a part.
Pretty easy for the RNC media buyer and/or the Cheeto himself to tell the station rep, "You want we should spend money here? Then this is whst we want first..."
Not every station will comply, but MSNBC is quite centrist, so a slightly pro-GOP headline would be not as noticeable as on, say, CNN.
Just my $0.02.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)Unless you have evidence that they are FACTUALLY LYING about data that's verifiable (and that another media outlet could catch them on), this is just another lazy conspiracy theory.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)Attention, reading the article is useless unless we know what the early vote #'s were in 2014 maybe e 2016
GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Democrats always dominate early voting. Always. So in a year when Democrats are extremely fired up, it makes absolutely no sense for republicans to be leading. There has to be something NBC is leaving out here
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Link to tweet
ON the twitter feed he states uses generic party models...
https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/about.html - includes a go vote tweet by Barack....and where they get info....and why being made public...
https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/
This link shows stats state by state....
Hope it helps....
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Which historically heavily favor Republicans.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Absentee ballots only so far
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Specifically:
Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Montana, Tennessee and Texas, the data showed
And then there's THIS fact:
Republicans typically dominate early voting by absentee ballots, while Democrats tend to have the advantage with in-person early voting. So, for example, the entire early voting picture in Florida, which has yet to begin in-person voting, is incomplete.
There is so much bullshit in that article, they should be ashamed of printing it.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Thank you
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Do feel free to panic if that lights a fire under you.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)if it lights a fire under you, knock yourself out. I try not to live in the past.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)FWIW: Florida
Early Voting: 1417 (R), 347 (D)
Vote By Mail: 411,546 (R), 358,576
Facts are facts.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)So, 1417 and 347 is ludicrous. I live here, and this is nothing but clickbait -- today's totals haven't even been tabulated yet.
I could care less about voting by mail -- elderly wingnuts.
And that's absentee ballots on the very first day. Time to get out the lighter marked For Use On Hair Only!
dsc
(52,155 posts)what are the numbers usually? The author of the piece hasn't told us. Now, if I woke up tomorrow and were 250 lbs I would be very happy because it would represent my losing weight. That likely wouldn't be true of say Ryan Gossling. context matters.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Horizens
(637 posts)1) Count on it ... Trump's core of crazies WILL get out and vote. Perhaps they're voting early.
2.) Some of those early rep voters might be pissed off and voting Democratic.
a kennedy
(29,647 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)The article itself lays it out:
This is the first day of early voting in many of these states. In-person numbers aren't even available yet for most of them.
So this is really about absentee voting, which almost always favors republicans.
A well-written article would do two things:
1. Wait for an appreciable sample size before reporting anything. That box isn't checked.
2. If doing this now, conduct an analysis of the leads by republicans in the past at this point of time compared to now, and see what the difference is. If that lead is smaller, it suggests a blue wave. If it's the same or larger, it suggests no blue wave. That they didn't do this rather simply analysis means they basically wrote the article by looking at the absentee numbers and nothing else and called it a day.
So use it for motivation. Use it to say, I'm going to do whatever I can to vote and motivate others to vote.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Today's votes haven't even been tabulated yet, so this article and doom-and-gloom OP are ridiculous.
kcr
(15,315 posts)And sometimes that's why people post them.
PSPS
(13,591 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Elections are massive cash cows for these slimy networks owned by huge corporations. Its ALL about the cash. Facts and accuracy are tertiary concerns. Have been for a while now under the infotainment model.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)It's easy to find and it backs up the story.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)The votes in FL today are not even tabulated -- we just started this morning. This is ZERO data for early voting. Mail in ballots always favor the GOP in FL -- elderly wingnuts.
sinkingfeeling
(51,445 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)If this isn't true, I hope we GOTV like never before.
Azathoth
(4,607 posts)The Kavanaugh fiasco DID energize the GOP base, and that absolutely can have an out-sized effect during a midterm election. We may also be seeing a repeat of the Trump-shame Effect in polling, where voters tell pollsters they disapprove of Trump and the GOP, but still pull the 'R' handle when they find themselves inside the voting booth.
Democrats are now at risk of falling into the 2016 mindset of thinking the GOP are so transparently loathsome and inept that they couldn't possibly pull off a win. We need to approach every single race as if it's a toss-up.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)do not include early voting that started today in states like Florida and Texas. The early data covers absentee and mailin ballots, which republicans tend to have more of.
The poster in the other thread also pointed out that there is no comparisons between the democratic-republican splits for this year's mailin ballots as compared to prior years. So basically the MSNBC reported analysis is useless.