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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:07 AM Oct 2018

Bullshit!!!

I’ve been hearing the bullshit all day – the “Trump isn’t responsible” bullshit, the “both sides do it” bullshit, the “let’s not point fingers” bullshit – and it’s time to shut it down.

To those spewing the “both sides are to blame” bullshit, I pose the following:

Name one Democrat who has called Mexicans rapists and drug-dealers, who has labelled people of colour as coming from “shithole countries”, or has tried to ban Muslims from entering the country because they’re terrorists.

Name one Democrat who has called KKK members and white supremacists “very fine people”.

Name one Democrat who has encouraged violence at a political event, with the promise of paying for the legal defence of anyone arrested for engaging in that violence.

Name one Democrat who has actually campaigned on the idea of divisiveness, and has instilled an us versus them mindset in their supporters.

Name one Democrat who has led cries of “lock ‘em up” when referring to their political opponents.

Name one Democrat who has physically assaulted a journalist – and then name one Democratic president who ever praised someone for doing so.

Name one Democratic president who has taunted, insulted, and belittled our nation’s allies.

Name one Democratic president who has not only praised, but embraced our nation’s true enemies – enemies responsible for violence against their own people, and threats against our country.

Name one Democratic president who has referred to his political opponents by demeaning nick-names, has repeatedly stated they have “low IQs” – or went so far as to question their citizenship.

So let’s stop the bullshit. There is no such thing as “both sides do it”, when one side is being continually encouraged to hate those who disagree with them, to hate those who look different than they do, to hate anyone and everyone who their “pResident” tells them to hate.

I’ve heard it said all day that Trump isn’t directly responsible for this act of violence against his political foes. Again, I call bullshit.

Every person who was targeted with a pipe-bomb today is someone who Trump has specifically pointed out as an “enemy” of himself and his followers. He has railed against them repeatedly, and has incited his supporters to see them as enemies as well.

Trump owns all of this. He owns the violence he has incited, and the hatred he has encouraged in order to fuel that violence. He owns every statement, every tweet, every rally cry that has demonized not only his fellow citizens, but the institutions that underpin our democracy – such as our intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and a free press.

To hear Trump continually rant against his “enemies” and then absolve him of any responsibility for those supposed enemies being targeted for violence – or even death – is to be complicit in his hateful rhetoric. It is to turn a blind eye to everything he has said and done that has led up to this day. It is to ignore the obvious – the constant encouragement to perceive political opponents as people deserving of violence and/or death.

I heard NY Governor Andrew Cuomo say today that there is “anger on both sides” – and that’s true. But there is only one side that is stoking that anger with lies, encouraging that anger with hateful rhetoric, and vilifying those they hope that anger will be directed at.

Any pretence that today’s events are not a direct result of the shit Donald Trump has been stirring up is an insult to the intelligence of those who have heard the vitriol, and knew that the consequences were inevitable.

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Bullshit!!! (Original Post) NanceGreggs Oct 2018 OP
Fuckin A right vercetti2021 Oct 2018 #1
K&R 2naSalit Oct 2018 #2
I was waiting for you to weigh in. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #3
The US Media****** are Shameless Gutless Cha Oct 2018 #4
Thanks for the tRump Hall of infamy list! pazzyanne Oct 2018 #25
The left doesn't need to hoax: 71 % RW Extremists, 26 % Islamic Extremists, 3 % LW Extremists Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2018 #43
The Cure is to Vote! RainCaster Oct 2018 #5
YES, THIS... Talitha Oct 2018 #56
Until the Friggin Media stops with the Wellstone ruled Oct 2018 #6
K & R and a thank you. pazzyanne Oct 2018 #27
Bravo, Nance! Jane Austin Oct 2018 #7
P.S. Hours after the attempted assasination of Hillary Clinton, we're back to this. Cha Oct 2018 #8
Is Trump still verfiably giving his paychecks up? maddiemom Oct 2018 #45
Trump would be the very first person to brag about how his supporters would do anything world wide wally Oct 2018 #9
K&R Gothmog Oct 2018 #10
It's not just an insult blue-wave Oct 2018 #11
Yes, it's meant to "Gaslight us".. Excellent point, blue-wave! Cha Oct 2018 #15
Thanks Cha! Mahalo nui loa!! blue-wave Oct 2018 #16
A'ole pilikia, blue wave! Cha Oct 2018 #19
This kind of right wing scumbag behavior started long before Trump. Progressive Jones Oct 2018 #12
That's a really sad but true statement blue-wave Oct 2018 #13
Nothing personal, PJ ... NanceGreggs Oct 2018 #29
Unrelated question. stopbush Oct 2018 #32
As in Malcolm Nance. NanceGreggs Oct 2018 #36
Thanks. That's been bugging me for years. Never thought to just come out and ask you. stopbush Oct 2018 #37
At Least Steve Schmidt is Saying IT.. Cha Oct 2018 #14
I know Steve Schmidt for a lover of the Constitution and a fellow patriot... Hekate Oct 2018 #30
So Grateful he has a megaphone, Hekate! Cha Oct 2018 #34
email this to every news outlet in the world Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #17
I know! I was thinking when I first read it Cha Oct 2018 #20
all those contrived rage-fests, too Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #21
+1! Cha Oct 2018 #22
I agree! I call bullshit, too! Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #18
so Vote ! dweller Oct 2018 #23
Truth to power, NancyGreggs! pazzyanne Oct 2018 #24
Trmp can disavow the actions of his followers Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #26
This bullshit got Gabby Giffords shot in the head and six others killed. ffr Oct 2018 #28
K&R Puzzler Oct 2018 #31
Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #33
K&R! Very well said! Rhiannon12866 Oct 2018 #35
K and R oasis Oct 2018 #38
Awesome as usual, Nance! WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2018 #39
I was wondering as well pandr32 Oct 2018 #41
FURIOUS k and r--I spent part of yesterday trying NOT to throw things at andrea and niyad Oct 2018 #40
K&R... spanone Oct 2018 #42
Great rant. You seem to be pretty good at them. Ohio Barbarian Oct 2018 #44
Thank you, Nance! One of your best and at the very right time yonder Oct 2018 #46
kick BSdetect Oct 2018 #47
What really bothers me is that for the last two days, EVERY time a republican was asked.... George II Oct 2018 #48
There are NO TWO SIDES in attempted murder JCMach1 Oct 2018 #49
Excellent. You nailed it. thekestrelseye Oct 2018 #50
Spot on, NanceGreggs! gademocrat7 Oct 2018 #51
Bravo! NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #52
Great post, as always! Poiuyt Oct 2018 #53
K&R betsuni Oct 2018 #54
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2018 #55
They can begin by xxqqqzme Oct 2018 #57
Kick for "Bullshit!!!" Thanks, Nance! Cha Oct 2018 #58
It's the being polite to the guy who punches you in the face. SayItLoud Oct 2018 #59
k&r BSdetect Oct 2018 #60

Cha

(297,160 posts)
4. The US Media****** are Shameless Gutless
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:28 AM
Oct 2018
GREEDY TRAITOROUS ASSHOLES.

MF trump water carrying Idiots.. I've read the networks weren't even broadcasting his HateFestering "rallies" anymore. Rallies to drum up HATE.

There are NO "both sides".. trump is Absolutely Responsible for this MAGABOMBING SHITE.

This is NOT a "False Flag"!


Thanks, Nance

pazzyanne

(6,549 posts)
25. Thanks for the tRump Hall of infamy list!
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:41 AM
Oct 2018

We now know who some of them are. More are out there.

RainCaster

(10,869 posts)
5. The Cure is to Vote!
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:28 AM
Oct 2018

It would also help if the MSM would stop publicizing his every fuck-up. Don't give him the power to control the message. Put him in the news if:
1. He does something presidential
2. He is removed from the White House in chains

Otherwise, I'm tired of hearing about the Mango Molester and his family.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Until the Friggin Media stops with the
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:30 AM
Oct 2018

both-er-ism crap,nothing changes. This was a Gin up from the get go. By Friday Trump will be back to his name calling and Racist Rants and the Media will Parrot all his garbage. It sells Ads who are btw being paid for by Adelson-120 million +,Ricketts spending in the same range.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
45. Is Trump still verfiably giving his paychecks up?
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 05:43 PM
Oct 2018

He made a big deal of doing so with the first one; but since then...? Regardless, his salary is paltry in comparison with all the perks he sucks up and his "expenses:" incurred by jetting around continuously on Air Fore One to campaign, allegedly for other candidates. Truly, he has no more need for cash while he's in office than does Queen Elizabeth, despite her handbag.

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
11. It's not just an insult
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:37 AM
Oct 2018

It is meant to gaslight us all. "It's not me, it's you. If only you would let me do what I want to do." This is the perpetrator saying "you made me do it because you said no."

No you fascist fucks. Never in my America. YOU are the criminals and the anti-American traitors. Never ever never. I hope America points a big middle finger to these asshats on election day.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
12. This kind of right wing scumbag behavior started long before Trump.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:38 AM
Oct 2018

Sadly, many on the right are not very bright, or sophisticated, or worldly by any measure.
They don't understand how the World actually works.
They are the equivalent of cavemen, with rocks and spears, trying to exist in the 21st century.
This is very difficult for them to handle, so they act out like incorrigible children.
Trump is actually much smarter and well behaved than his fans on the "Lower Right".

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
13. That's a really sad but true statement
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:47 AM
Oct 2018
"Trump is actually much smarter and well behaved than his fans on the "Lower Right"."

I've personally witnessed some of this behavior and wished I never had. Then again, it has made me aware of the lunacy out there in our world. Of course, it's not saying much when you compare tRump's IQ to that of others and rate his higher. That's gotta be a new low for IQ.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
29. Nothing personal, PJ ...
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 02:15 AM
Oct 2018

… but you picked the wrong person on the wrong night to respond to with the “they’re not very bright” excuse.

The fact that Trump-humpers aren’t very bright is pretty fuckin’ obvious, don’t you think?

Does their lack of being “sophisticated or worldly” excuse them from glomming onto a hate-spewing racist, and propagating that hatred with the fervour of crazed cultists?

Decent people don’t cheer when their “pResident” praises someone who assaulted a journalist. Moral people don’t laugh when their “pResident” tells them to go ahead and get violent, because he’ll cover their legal fees.

These people are not acting like “incorrigible children” – they’re acting like the thugs Trump has encouraged them to be.

If by “well-behaved” you mean that Trump didn’t send those pipe-bombs himself, I’ll concede that. But he doesn’t have to – he just incites others to do his dirty work for him.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
32. Unrelated question.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 02:36 AM
Oct 2018

I have long wondered how you pronounce your name. Is it Nance, as in Malcom Nance - or is it Nancy?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
36. As in Malcolm Nance.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 04:06 AM
Oct 2018

My given name is Nancy - but it got shortened to Nance by friends/family a long time ago.

Hekate

(90,657 posts)
30. I know Steve Schmidt for a lover of the Constitution and a fellow patriot...
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 02:17 AM
Oct 2018

I am glad every time I hear him speaking out.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
17. email this to every news outlet in the world
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:11 AM
Oct 2018

Let's see if they have the guts and honesty to finally confess that bothsiderism is bullshit.

Bullshit belongs in the garden, not the news.

Cha

(297,160 posts)
20. I know! I was thinking when I first read it
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:16 AM
Oct 2018
that it should be required reading for the US media***** outlets!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
21. all those contrived rage-fests, too
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:25 AM
Oct 2018

All those tv "discussion" shows that contort reality in order to contrive ragey debate (for ratings) should have to read the OP on the air.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. I agree! I call bullshit, too!
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:12 AM
Oct 2018

I heard that by some guy on one of the MSNBC shows. There was a Democratic gal, thank goodness, also on the show who called bullshit on that pretty well. She didn't let him or Tweety compare the two sides as equal on the violence scale.

It's time we start digging in, speaking up and out, and firm on this crap. Because it's NOT TRUE.

dweller

(23,629 posts)
23. so Vote !
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:38 AM
Oct 2018

with Vehemence !with Vitriol !

with Vigor !

yes, take Vigor with you to the polls...

✌🏼️

pazzyanne

(6,549 posts)
24. Truth to power, NancyGreggs!
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:39 AM
Oct 2018

Truth to power. It's the same old BS. Sit and take what is dished out or suffer the verbal consequences when you fight back with Republican lies and actions against others. Really getting old. RESIST!

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
26. Trmp can disavow the actions of his followers
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:42 AM
Oct 2018

He can refuse to accept any blame for what his words have led people to do.
But I have one thing to say to that. Don't worry, Spanky, because WE will be more than happy to assign blame and lay it at your feet.

He said he wanted unity in the country, but not a half an hour into his rally tonight, he was back to espousing violent rhetoric. He has lost any moral high ground in this discussion: his comments just come off as hypocrisy of the first order.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
28. This bullshit got Gabby Giffords shot in the head and six others killed.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 02:15 AM
Oct 2018


Oh look, it's Chuck Todd normalizing the rhetoric. And Sarah Palin went on her merry way without so much as a sorry.



Gabrielle Giffords clings to life with the support of her husband and loved ones.

Rhiannon12866

(205,237 posts)
35. K&R! Very well said!
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 03:09 AM
Oct 2018

Anyone who doesn't tie this right back to Trump's inciting rhetoric just hasn't been paying attention!

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
39. Awesome as usual, Nance!
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:13 PM
Oct 2018

Do you mind if I post it up over on Facebook? I have some friends and relatives who need to get their heads out of their asses.

pandr32

(11,581 posts)
41. I was wondering as well
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:00 PM
Oct 2018

Nance does such a great job of making the points we need to spread far and wide.

niyad

(113,275 posts)
40. FURIOUS k and r--I spent part of yesterday trying NOT to throw things at andrea and
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:57 PM
Oct 2018

the others who spewed the "both sides" bs.

George II

(67,782 posts)
48. What really bothers me is that for the last two days, EVERY time a republican was asked....
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 07:38 PM
Oct 2018

....about "anger on the right", they say "well, there was that shooting of Steve Scalise!", like that's even close to trying to assassinate two Presidents, a Vice President, an Attorney General, etc. I wish I were there, I'd bring up Gabby Giffords.

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