Sat Oct 27, 2018, 10:31 PM

Eko (6,046 posts)

Even if we win the House and/or Senate we will not be in a better country.

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Drump will be way worse than he is now and there will be more terrorism. Sure the House and/or the Senate will try to do a lot, but you have to remember the Supreme Court is against us now. The small vocal far right will protest and their message of fear along with Dumps and the republican party will reach enough politically stupid people that it will make it hard to win the Presidency for us. Even if we pass something that will help everyone they will be against it until it sinks in that it helped them, and by then they will be again in control of the message of fear. Look at the ACA for proof. The ACA was enacted in 2010!!! 8 years ago and now they like it but the credit they give us for it will be short lived. The repubs even now are trying to campaign off it!! The simple fact is that fascism/fear politics are on the rise in the world and it will take something large to change enough peoples minds. Should we be all doom and gloom? Should we give up? Naw,,,,,, I like this site for a lot of reasons, one is the second word in the site. I joined after it was really important, now I think its just as important as the first. Be the best you can be, do all you can, don't give up. Just realize the road in front of us is harder than you probably think and that is if we win the next two elections. If we loose? There will always be us in the Democratic Underground fighting the good fight every day, and that will be enough. Rock on.

Added the bold so people can stop posting that I am trying to depress the vote and being all doom and gloom. Just trying to be realistic, Dump and the repubs arent going to double down when/godihope we win, they are going to make doubling down look like nothing. Once again, be the best you can be, do all you can, dont give up. Do I need to bold that also?

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80 replies	Author	Time	Post
Even if we win the House and/or Senate we will not be in a better country. (Original post)	Eko	Oct 2018	OP
Now, now,.. it will take some time but we will right this ship run a ground.	magicarpet	Oct 2018	#1
But he is not the problem.	Eko	Oct 2018	#3
Agree. The more power we get, the sooner we will	Hortensis	Nov 2018	#65
Trump and his actions have scarred this nation for a generation...at least.	elocs	Oct 2018	#2
We can start turning around on day one.	Grasswire2	Oct 2018	#4
That America is gone.	roamer65	Oct 2018	#7
I think our country has fallen to the point it's beyond repair due to that tRumpster fire.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#5
Take an upper. We have lived through the Civil War (600,000 dead), Vietnam, Watergate...	LBM20	Oct 2018	#8
That fuckwad has destroyed the country WAY worse than those historical events...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#9
Please, chill down. 620,000 dead in the Civil War. 59,000 dead in Vietnam. Go vote. Bring friends.	LBM20	Oct 2018	#10
lol, you should be the one chillin, not me...the Civil War dead will dwarfed by the MILLIONS	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#24
Saying this is worse than the Civil War is nothing less than absurdity.	bearsfootball516	Oct 2018	#28
Geez... saying it has the very REAL possibility of being WAY worse...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#39
Hear, hear...	RHMerriman	Oct 2018	#51
There are things worse than death......	kerry-is-my-prez	Nov 2018	#67
OK STOP THE DOOMING AND GLOOMING. Winning the House largely SHUTS HIM DOWN!	LBM20	Oct 2018	#6
this	Grasswire2	Oct 2018	#13
Is it Doom and Gloom?	Eko	Oct 2018	#16
If we win the House we can block a lot of what Trump and R's do, and we can INVESTIGATE. Chill down.	LBM20	Oct 2018	#19
Sure, we can block it	Eko	Oct 2018	#20
THIS	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#25
Taking our	JustAnotherGen	Oct 2018	#34
PS agree on the old rules	JustAnotherGen	Oct 2018	#35
Yes. it is doom and gloom...	LanternWaste	Nov 2018	#57
+1,000	malaise	Oct 2018	#32
Agree! The gopeeee love when people doom and gloom causing despair.. please don't!	Thekaspervote	Oct 2018	#54
Perfection is the enemy of the good	dalton99a	Oct 2018	#11
It's not just trump it's the programmed right wing base	lancelyons	Oct 2018	#12
Who is calling for perfection?	Eko	Oct 2018	#17
No one... it just sounds good.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#40
Yup -biggest mistake Dems made was not addressing g media	Adenoid_Hynkel	Oct 2018	#22
For me, this is one of the first hings Dems need to begin working on	lancelyons	Oct 2018	#38
There will always be idiots like the faux news huggers	onetexan	Oct 2018	#31
We may be able to do a lot more than we think.	rwheeler31	Oct 2018	#14
Exactly - who the hell is going to die - physically or politically - for Donald J. Trump?	RHMerriman	Oct 2018	#52
Great observation OP. I had never before voted early... until last week.	es466	Oct 2018	#15
Me too.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#26
Well this crap didn't just suddenly happen in 2017	lunatica	Oct 2018	#18
Your last sentence is the truest statement.	Butterflylady	Oct 2018	#29
Not if the country has been taken over they cliff by the Rethugs	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#41
The fall of empires and nations has happened many times	lunatica	Oct 2018	#43
I think in this case, due to the Dotard, once we've fallen, we can't get up.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#44
Some of us won't get up, but most will	lunatica	Oct 2018	#45
I hope so...never been this discouraged though given the irreperable damage that fuckwad has wrought	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#47
we have to start somewhere, right?	0rganism	Oct 2018	#21
THEN I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST GIVE UP AND NOT EVEN TRY	obamanut2012	Oct 2018	#23
Pretty sure I said this in the op.	Eko	Oct 2018	#55
this is the first step in retaking our country, if people don't care...well we have always had those	beachbum bob	Oct 2018	#27
im not so sure....hes only a third of the power and im sure the SCOTUS	samnsara	Oct 2018	#30
If we win the House and/or the Senate, we will be in a better country immediately	mtnsnake	Oct 2018	#33
To do what? All we can do is try to avoid even worse damage to this country.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#48
we will be better off	handmade34	Oct 2018	#36
It will still have many problems	Downtown Hound	Oct 2018	#37
So you prefer loosing.	UTUSN	Oct 2018	#42
Didnt I say this?	Eko	Oct 2018	#56
Our representatives WOULD be in a stronger position to stop him.	Blue_true	Oct 2018	#46
No doubt, we have to rally around a candidate who can unite our party and the country.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Oct 2018	#49
Actually yeah, we will be.	Iggo	Oct 2018	#50
Trump is not the country. He is temporary.	wasupaloopa	Oct 2018	#53
There's no way he's going to sign Democratic legislation that will make things "better"	Proud Liberal Dem	Nov 2018	#58
Well that's it	Charlotte Little	Nov 2018	#59
Did you miss this part?	Eko	Nov 2018	#61
I couldn't get past the rest of it.	Charlotte Little	Nov 2018	#62
No	Eko	Nov 2018	#63
Boy	Charlotte Little	Nov 2018	#64
You could start with not	Eko	Nov 2018	#66
Stawman?	Charlotte Little	Nov 2018	#68
You didnt? Oh my apologies.	Eko	Nov 2018	#69
That's not a Strawman Argument	Charlotte Little	Nov 2018	#72
More strawman.	Eko	Nov 2018	#73
No Strawman	Charlotte Little	Nov 2018	#75
I would	Eko	Nov 2018	#74
Good Advice.	MarcA	Nov 2019	#80
This again? Seriously? Enough already.	LBM20	Nov 2018	#60
It's Way past "enough already". n/t	MarcA	Nov 2019	#79
You are correct, dont back down from your statement!	Separation	Nov 2018	#70
Thanks!	Eko	Nov 2018	#71
Any journey begins with a first step	Algernon Moncrieff	Nov 2018	#76
Legalizing same-sex marriage didn't immediately change attitudes.	Garrett78	Nov 2018	#77
Yeah, don't bother voting if we can't change everything right now.	Hassler	Nov 2018	#78

Response to Eko (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 10:44 PM

magicarpet (12,864 posts)

1. Now, now,.. it will take some time but we will right this ship run a ground.

At least we will begin the process of containing him and getting his fat ass out of our White House

Even if we win the House and/or Senate we will not be in a better country.

1. Now, now,.. it will take some time but we will right this ship run a ground.

3. But he is not the problem.

65. Agree. The more power we get, the sooner we will

2. Trump and his actions have scarred this nation for a generation...at least.

4. We can start turning around on day one.

7. That America is gone.

5. I think our country has fallen to the point it's beyond repair due to that tRumpster fire.

8. Take an upper. We have lived through the Civil War (600,000 dead), Vietnam, Watergate...

9. That fuckwad has destroyed the country WAY worse than those historical events...

10. Please, chill down. 620,000 dead in the Civil War. 59,000 dead in Vietnam. Go vote. Bring friends.

24. lol, you should be the one chillin, not me...the Civil War dead will dwarfed by the MILLIONS

28. Saying this is worse than the Civil War is nothing less than absurdity.

39. Geez... saying it has the very REAL possibility of being WAY worse...

51. Hear, hear...

67. There are things worse than death......

6. OK STOP THE DOOMING AND GLOOMING. Winning the House largely SHUTS HIM DOWN!

13. this

16. Is it Doom and Gloom?

19. If we win the House we can block a lot of what Trump and R's do, and we can INVESTIGATE. Chill down.

20. Sure, we can block it

25. *THIS*

34. Taking our

35. PS agree on the old rules

57. Yes. it is doom and gloom...

32. +1,000

54. Agree! The gopeeee love when people doom and gloom causing despair.. please don't!

11. Perfection is the enemy of the good

12. It's not just trump it's the programmed right wing base

17. Who is calling for perfection?

40. No one... it just sounds good.

22. Yup -biggest mistake Dems made was not addressing g media

38. For me, this is one of the first hings Dems need to begin working on

31. There will always be idiots like the faux news huggers

14. We may be able to do a lot more than we think.

52. Exactly - who the hell is going to die - physically or politically - for Donald J. Trump?

15. Great observation OP. I had never before voted early... until last week.

26. Me too.

18. Well this crap didn't just suddenly happen in 2017

29. Your last sentence is the truest statement.

41. Not if the country has been taken over they cliff by the Rethugs

43. The fall of empires and nations has happened many times

44. I think in this case, due to the Dotard, once we've fallen, we can't get up.

45. Some of us won't get up, but most will

47. I hope so...never been this discouraged though given the irreperable damage that fuckwad has wrought

21. we have to start somewhere, right?

23. THEN I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST GIVE UP AND NOT EVEN TRY

55. Pretty sure I said this in the op.

27. this is the first step in retaking our country, if people don't care...well we have always had those

30. im not so sure....hes only a third of the power and im sure the SCOTUS

33. If we win the House and/or the Senate, we will be in a better country immediately

48. To do what? All we can do is try to avoid even worse damage to this country.

36. we will be better off

37. It will still have many problems

42. So you prefer loosing.

56. Didnt I say this?

46. Our representatives WOULD be in a stronger position to stop him.

49. No doubt, we have to rally around a candidate who can unite our party and the country.

50. Actually yeah, we will be.

53. Trump is not the country. He is temporary.

58. There's no way he's going to sign Democratic legislation that will make things "better"

59. Well that's it

61. Did you miss this part?

62. I couldn't get past the rest of it.

63. No

64. Boy

66. You could start with not

68. Stawman?

69. You didnt? Oh my apologies.

72. That's not a Strawman Argument

73. More strawman.

75. No Strawman

74. I would

80. Good Advice.

60. This again? Seriously? Enough already.

79. It's Way past "enough already". n/t

70. You are correct, dont back down from your statement!

71. Thanks!

76. Any journey begins with a first step

77. Legalizing same-sex marriage didn't immediately change attitudes.

25. THIS