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Sun Oct 28, 2018, 07:30 AM

1933 anyone?



And so the madness and hate builds.....This needs to be stopped now. How the hell will these nuts he has brewed react if November goes as predicted????

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Reply 1933 anyone? (Original post)
Soph0571 Oct 2018 OP
uponit7771 Oct 2018 #1
watoos Oct 2018 #6
MoonRiver Oct 2018 #15
Timmygoat Oct 2018 #2
Oppaloopa Oct 2018 #3
DDySiegs Oct 2018 #4
Roadside Attraction Oct 2018 #5
pdsimdars Oct 2018 #7
bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #8
bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #16
MadDAsHell Oct 2018 #9
PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2018 #10
SCVDem Oct 2018 #12
PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2018 #13
SCVDem Oct 2018 #14
lancelyons Oct 2018 #11
McCamy Taylor Oct 2018 #17

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 07:57 AM

1. Red Don is hated more than Hitler was, resistance to him would be stronger now

... than Hitler at 33.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:34 AM

6. Yes but

 

Hitler didn't have the enormous backing of today's corporate M$M. Hitler had a very good propaganda minister but Trump has a much more elaborate system he uses for propaganda.

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Response to watoos (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 10:56 AM

15. Only FAUX News and wackadoodle Limbaugh actively support him.

Rest of the MSM, which he attacks relentlessly, have turned against his bloated ass.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:01 AM

2. My thinking exactly

I was born in England, in 1934, and not old enough to understand (when I was in school) why I had to have training in getting to the air raid shelters, and I remember well when someone came to our house to supply us with gas masks, and how I cried when they fitted it on me. But beside the point, when I was a little older I saw the newsreels of Adolph Hitler, remember seeing about Kristalnacht,
and the concentration camps, and people who never came home, I remember London Street in rubble. I know the US will never allow this but I am comparing Trump to 1939 and the hate speeches, I hope I am wrong, but this has to be stopped somehow. My own husband, a decorated veteran finally lost his own life due to Agent Orange. My point is that the people who are stoking up hate do
not know what they are doing, they have no memories of the past.

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Response to Timmygoat (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:13 AM

3. Thank you Timmygoat.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:14 AM

4. 1933, Yes; 1934, 1935 . . . Yes As Well

In 2015 I said to some friends that Trump could be compared with Hitler. This was met by the usual response that this was going too far, that one just doesn’t make such a comparison. My response was that “Your making the mistake of thinking that my comparison is Trump to the 1943 Hitler. No,” I said, “the correct comparison is to the 1933 Hitler.” That remark usually was met with thoughtful silence. Today in 2018, I am afraid that the correct comparison is moving forward . . . to the 1934 Hitler, the 1935 Hitler . . . . Almost none of my friends would push back on that concept anymore. The situation now is DIRE, and it is truly TERRIFYING. The longer Trump stays in office the closer the correct comparison gets to 1943!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:33 AM

5. Brilliant

 

Brilliant -- and VERY scary.

If you have not done so, you need to spend $6.39 at Amazon for a copy of "On Tyranny: 20 Lessons from the 20th Century," by Timothy Snyder, Yale historian who specializes in European history.

This is his introduction:


“The European history of the twentieth century shows us that societies can break, democracies can fall, ethics can collapse, and ordinary men can find themselves standing over death pits with guns in their hands”.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:38 AM

7. But don't object with a loud voice or you're being uncivil. . . that's what the media says

 

that is, the media that should be sounding the fire alarm, chiding the left for shouting. . . . Please!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 09:02 AM

8. Assurances by prominent liberals and never-Trumpers tell us 'we will get through this'

I believe we will. Crane Brinton, Harvard historian published a widely read book that is still popular today, "The Anatomy of Revolution" in which he studied four prominent revolutions - 1640s English, French, American, Russian. Some pundits dispute his basic claim that is can't happen here. I tend to agree only because you need concentrated power in one relatively small geographic territory to really control revolutionary power. That would be very difficult in America. The current GOP majority is out of touch with the rest of the country. Are Los Angeles and New York going to goose-step with a Radical Right Senate? The US Military will not turn on its own people, there would be severe division in military ranks if they tried. The solid economy is popularly attributed to Obama. Weak-minded Americans are not looking for a Nationalist Savior to improve their prospects, they are looking for sound tweaks to economic fairness. Most of all they just want that Orange Menace out of office.

Democrats will do fine on Nov 6 if we capture the House, or even make it 5 seat close (because Main Street Republicans in pink districts will see the writing on the wall), and if we take a few governors' races, and grab state legislative seats by the dozens. We are poised for change, and elections are how the Founders divided power for generational renewal and revolution by voting.

If all that goes against us, we are in deep water and must hunker down. But a lot must go wrong for that to happen.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:01 PM

16. And by 'hunker down'

I mean marshall your lifestyle and resources to protect yourself and your community. Prepare for an interregnum of sorts. The Trump regime may go on for awhile until it collapses. I'm thinking of the English Interregnum of Cromwell as a model, but on a less violent, but more controlling note.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 09:07 AM

9. Today's kids will have no idea what concentration camps actually were.

 

Border detention and separation of immigrant families are awful, and I realize there’s political power in calling them “concentration camps,” but seriously, it’s an insult to Holocaust survivors and will totally water down to today’s youth what a concentration camp actually was. Why are we doing that?

Not dissimilar to the trend over the last 20 years of comparing political opponents to Hitler. Kids being raised today are going to think “Hitler” simply means a political opponent: they’ll have no sense that Hitler means someone who was willingly responsible for the torture and death of tens of millions.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 10:11 AM

10. Yes. The correct term for most of the concentration camps

is Death Camps, because their single purpose was to kill as many Jews as possible.

As terrible as the detention camps are today, they are not Death Camps.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 10:45 AM

12. Not on the same scale, but

 

there have been deaths and rapes of the children in these stalags!

We allow this to happen!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 10:50 AM

13. But the essential purpose of these camps is not to kill.

The terrible things that have happened in them are because they've been hastily built and staffed.

I am not part of the "we" who has allowed this to happen, because I did not vote for Trump nor for any of the people responsible for this. I am frustrated by my lack of power to oust every last one of them, but I've already voted, and entirely for Democrats. Not that it matters so much where I live since I already have a Democratic Representative, and the Senator running for re-election is a Dem, who will almost certainly be re-elected, in part because there's also a Libertarian in the race who is going to take votes from the Republican.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 10:55 AM

14. Sounds like my

 

California ballot, also sent in last week.

I guess I'm hoping for a Storming the Bastille type attention getter.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 10:13 AM

11. If you dont VOTE YOU WONT STOP IT.

 

If you dont VOTE YOU WONT STOP IT.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 01:00 PM

17. 1934 anyone?

Google Night of Long Knives. Trumpsters do not seem to understand that they are next on the Trump hit list.

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