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marble falls

(57,055 posts)
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:33 PM Oct 2018

The Myth of Black Confederates

The Myth of Black Confederates
And the rise of fake racial tolerance
Benjamin Alpers — January 14, 2018

http://www.publicseminar.org/2018/01/the-myth-of-black-confederates/


This picture of the (Union) Louisiana Native Guard is frequently misrepresented as an image of Black Confederate troops.

One of the latest Confederate monument fights is currently brewing in South Carolina. State Representatives Bill Chumley and Mike Burns have proposed erecting a monument to black Confederate soldiers. The problem, of course, is that there were no black Confederate soldiers. The Confederate government refused to allow blacks to enlist until March 1865, when, desperate for manpower, the Confederate Congress passed a law allowing African Americans to serve in combat roles. Even with the war nearly lost, this move was extremely controversial, as it flew in the face of Confederate racial ideology. “In my opinion, the worst calamity that could befall us would be to gain our independence by the valor of our slaves, instead of own,” wrote Robert Toombs, the first Confederate secretary of state and a general in the Confederate army. “The day that the army of Virginia allows a negro regiment to enter their lines as soldiers they will be degraded, ruined, and disgraced.” Two weeks after the law allowing their service was passed and before any black troops could be enlisted, the war was over.

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But in recent years, the myth of the black Confederates has grown. Early “Lost Cause” ideology was often frankly racist. Works like D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation (1915), and the Thomas Dixon novels on which it was based, depicted the Confederacy as explicitly a white man’s cause. While neo-Confederate accounts of the Civil War and Reconstruction often displaced slavery as the cause of the conflict and depicted the South as fighting for “states’ rights” or even a lower tariff, there was at first no attempt to reimagine the Confederacy as a land of racial equality, especially since the vision of the Lost Cause was actively used as a defense of Jim Crow.

But after the rise of the modern civil rights movement, it became convenient to claim that the Confederate fight was an interracial one. On the basis of no evidence whatsoever, the myth grew. “The modern myth of black Confederate soldiers,” notes the Civil War Trust on their webpage devoted to this tale,

"is akin to a conspiracy theory—shoddy analysis has been presented, repeated, amplified, and twisted to such an extent that utterly baseless claims of as many as 80,000 black soldiers fighting for the Confederacy (which would roughly equal the size of Lee’s army at Gettysburg) have even made their way into classroom textbooks. It is right to study, discover, and share facts about the complex lives of nineteenth-century black Americans. It is wrong to exaggerate, obfuscate, and ignore those facts in order to suit twenty-first century opinions.

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The rest of the article is well worth reading.

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The Myth of Black Confederates (Original Post) marble falls Oct 2018 OP
This is part of an effort since the Civil War to steal the true honor- dawg day Oct 2018 #1
IIRC, there were some number of free blacks that Thomas Hurt Oct 2018 #2
That did happen. There's some dismal shits in the Confederacy. marble falls Oct 2018 #3
three of my ancestors d_r Oct 2018 #4
One of my ancestors was a civil war Governor of Kentucky that Lincoln ... marble falls Oct 2018 #5
yeah I am sure that d_r Oct 2018 #6

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
1. This is part of an effort since the Civil War to steal the true honor-
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:38 PM
Oct 2018

of the Union soldiers and sailors-- black and white-- who fought for the most moral of causes.

"As he died to make men holy let us fight to make men free."

I grew up in the south, and it was always appalling, that the "noble cause" to them was fighting to KEEP slavery.

Using a Union regiment's photo and pretending it is a confederate regiment as evidence that recently enslaved people weren't fighting for their freedom but for their slavery-- it makes me think we -- the US-- should have hanged Jeff Davis and Robert E. Lee as the traitors they were.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. IIRC, there were some number of free blacks that
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:40 PM
Oct 2018

went about their lives in the South during the Civil War. Though I would imagine that was a dicey few years and you kept your head down.

I think the myth comes from the practice of certain slave owners who rented out their slaves for the southern war effort or substituted slave labor cuz there were not about to pick up a gun and fight.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
4. three of my ancestors
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 05:00 PM
Oct 2018

from Tennessee fought for the Union. It is one of the things that comes to my mind when white people around here talk about the rebel flag not being about hate but being about their family history. It makes me mad because I don't think they know history, their ancestor didn't have to fight for the south they could have fought for the Union.

On the other hand, to say that there were no black folks, whether it was their choice or not, that fought for the south isn't true either. They served as slaves. I have seen the grave of two of them with my own eyes in Chattanooga. They were forced to do it but it doesn't mean they didn't, and they didn't have the choice that the white folks ancestor had. I've also seen the graves of German POWs.








marble falls

(57,055 posts)
5. One of my ancestors was a civil war Governor of Kentucky that Lincoln ...
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 05:36 PM
Oct 2018

had imprisoned when he suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil war, Charles Slaughter Morehead. One of his nephews was awarded a posthumous Congressional Medal Honor for his part in the Andersonville Raid. Go figure.

I do notice that two of those stones you show indicated they were servants of white military masters. If they fought on the lines and I don't know that they did, I doubt they had much choice.

https://www.chattanoogan.com/2016/3/23/320653/True-Grave-Of-First-African-American.aspx

True Grave Of First African-American Soldier Buried At Chattanooga Confederate Cemetery Found
Wednesday, March 23, 2016

SHADERICK SEARCY, 1846-1937: PRIVATE C.S.A.

Shaderick Searcy was a black Confederate soldier. He was a bonded servant of Dr. John Searcy of Talbotton, Ga. When the Civil War began, Dr. Searcy, knowing that both his sons James and Kitchen would go off to war, dedicated Shaderick to become body servant to his two boys.

Both Dr. Searcy’s sons of Company I of the 46th Georgia Infantry were killed during this conflict. James was killed at bloody Franklin, Tenn. and Kitchen was killed at the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain near Atlanta.

Shaderick outlived both his wards and survived the Civil War. He received a pension for his Confederate service and died at the age of 91 in Chattanooga.


http://southernheritage411.com/bc.php?nw=007

Amos Rucker, Black Confederate


On August 10, 1905, Amos, Rucker, a ex-Confederate soldier and proud member of the United Confederate Veterans, died in Atlanta, Georgia. His friends of the UCV had previously bought a grave site and marker for he and his wife Martha who had limited income. Amos Rucker was one of many thousands of Black Southerners who fought for the South during the War Between the States.

Amos was a servant and best friend to Sandy Rucker. Both men joined the 33rd Georgia Regiment when the South was invaded. Amos fought as a regular soldier and sustained wounds to his breast and one of his legs that left him permanently crippled.

Amos Rucker joined the W.H.T. Walker Camp of the United Confederates after the war in Atlanta, Georgia. He would faithfully attend the meetings that were held on the second Monday of each month at 102 Forsyth Street. He was able to remember the name of every man of his old 33th Regiment and would name them and add whether they were living or dead.

Amos Rucker and wife Martha felt that the men of the United Confederate Veterans were like family. Rucker said that, "My folks gave me everything I want." The UCV men helped Amos and wife Martha with a house on the west side of Atlanta and John M. Slaton helped with his will and care for his wife. Slaton was a member of Atlanta's John B. Gordon Camp 46 Sons of Confederate Veterans and was governor of Georgia when he commuted the death sentence of Leo Frank.

Funeral services for Amos Rucker was conducted by former Confederate General and Reverend Clement A. Evans. A article about the funeral related that Rucker was clothed in a gray Confederate uniform and a Confederate flag covered his casket. It is written that both white and black friends of Rucker came to pay their last respects. They was not a dry eye in the church when Captain William Harrison read a poem, entitled, "When Rucker called the roll."

A grave marker was placed in 1909 by the United Confederate Veterans that for many years marked the graves of Amos and Martha Rucker but some say it was taken many years ago. Only the caretaker knows where the graves are located.

Information for the story came from the book "Forgotten Confederates – An Anthology about Black Confederates" compiled by Kelly Barrow, J.H. Segars and R.B. Rosenburg."


I doubt parts of the stories because I have real problems with the sources, particularly the last one, wher you can by a Dixie Rag/Flag right underneath the article. I think these stories were manipulated for self serving reasons.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
6. yeah I am sure that
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 08:32 PM
Oct 2018

they were manipulated for self serving reasons. I don't doubt that at all. On the contrary I think that is a big part of their stories.

And yes, those "soldiers" were slaves. They were forced to be there.

But then a lot of the southern soldiers were conscripted and forced to be there.

My point isn't that they were willing soldiers. My point was that it isn't true to say there were zero black soldiers in the confederacy.

I guess it could get to the definition of what a "soldier" is. I'm not thinking that deeply about it though.
And I hate southern confederate sympathizer revisionists. I abhor them.

I just don't like to see history over simplified. It is complicated.

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