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Avenatti being ... Avenatti (Original Post) Roland99 Oct 2018 OP
I think he'll eventually fade away when enough people get tired of his shtick The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #1
I kind of feel that too. What is the latest on him - his fight for Stormy ? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #26
There are a couple of motions pending in CA. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #32
The latest is... jberryhill Nov 2018 #108
Exactly this...thank you! Docreed2003 Oct 2018 #33
Not looking for savior but his tactics against Benedict Donald are effective uponit7771 Nov 2018 #73
What are you talking about? dem4decades Oct 2018 #2
+100 I'm waiting for an answer to that question too. skylucy Oct 2018 #5
I swear the world is mad as a hatter these days. nolabear Oct 2018 #3
What's weird is that he over shot his skiis SO much - acting like he was heir Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #27
Literally everyone. The bar is so low it's a ditch. nolabear Oct 2018 #39
Hell, I would vote for Charles Manson over the Dotard-in-Chief! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #65
I don't understand what he was responding to Sanity Claws Oct 2018 #4
This: The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #6
She had posted a little joking jab at him. Pretty light hearted Roland99 Oct 2018 #9
He was targeted for assassination and she thinks that there is a joke to be made? Sanity Claws Oct 2018 #13
mmmkay Roland99 Oct 2018 #14
I'm in the same boat as you. W_HAMILTON Oct 2018 #18
Whether it was light-hearted or not, it certainly didn't merit the DM he sent her EffieBlack Nov 2018 #83
What DM? To which person tweeting at him irisblue Nov 2018 #99
He DM'd the person who criticized him and attacked her pretty viciously. EffieBlack Nov 2018 #110
+1, smelling RF here when it comes to Avenatti uponit7771 Nov 2018 #44
LOL, seems like the major issue is you hate Avenatti for some unknown reason. Very telling. nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #19
There is nothing "lighthearted" about being the target of an assassin's plot. blue neen Oct 2018 #29
There's no context to this leftstreet Oct 2018 #7
Why is there this concerted attack on Avenatti? manor321 Oct 2018 #8
Swiftboating of himself by himself Roland99 Oct 2018 #11
Swiftboating by "concerned" dems. nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #21
How in the world is her stupid tweet Avenatti's fault? uponit7771 Nov 2018 #46
+1, yes its swiftboating ... NO DOUBT !! uponit7771 Nov 2018 #45
"I'm a liberal mom from FL" ecstatic Oct 2018 #10
Edited OP Roland99 Oct 2018 #12
Light hearted jab about pipe bombs? ecstatic Oct 2018 #17
Nothing was sent to him. What proof do we have he was targeted other than his dubious word? Roland99 Oct 2018 #20
I have no reason to assume he's lying. ecstatic Oct 2018 #22
Exactly... FarPoint Nov 2018 #105
It was reported that the bomber had a list of 100 targets. Do you have evidence that dem4decades Oct 2018 #25
Why would you assume he's not telling the truth? blue neen Oct 2018 #30
On what do you base the opinion that his word is dubious? Squinch Oct 2018 #34
Do you have proof of the opposite? Thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2018 #47
Do you have inside information about this ? If so the FBI may want to talk to you ! stonecutter357 Nov 2018 #76
He's not stupid. The FBI could have issued a statement spooky3 Nov 2018 #80
Since you provide ZERO proof leftynyc Nov 2018 #97
He probably was on that list of 100. dmr Nov 2018 #101
Honestly? Dorian Gray Nov 2018 #43
Looking at his accuracy rate I lean hero, I'm going to stick to the facts about Avenatti and not ... uponit7771 Nov 2018 #48
Gosh. Lots of hard work going on to discredit him. Now we Squinch Oct 2018 #15
??????? meluvrem Oct 2018 #16
Maybe he went overboard, but I think the Tweet that set him off was a deliberate gibe, 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2018 #23
No other way to take it... nothing wrong with jabbing back. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #67
So, with all the shit going on you feel the need to pile on Avenatti Blecht Oct 2018 #24
Some of what Avenatti has to say is dead balls on... this time around, we desperately need InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #66
Wow, Eko Oct 2018 #28
That's so twitter. (sigh) violetpastille Oct 2018 #36
I am disgusted by the Democratic attacks on Anenatti. PufPuf23 Oct 2018 #31
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #37
You are nobody to judge Anenatti. nt PufPuf23 Oct 2018 #38
And you're someone to judge me? I'm only observing Roland99 Oct 2018 #41
My judgement is that you have porr judgement regards Avenatti. PufPuf23 Nov 2018 #42
Link and quote to any .... ACTIONS ... of "grifting"? Thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2018 #50
Feel free to link or explain leftynyc Nov 2018 #54
Seriously? Are you that unaware of the multiple judgments against him? Roland99 Nov 2018 #61
I know many lawyers leftynyc Nov 2018 #68
+1, notice this is the second person in this thread who isn't responding to link and quote request uponit7771 Nov 2018 #71
Yup leftynyc Nov 2018 #75
Know many lawyers with millions in IRS tax liens? Roland99 Nov 2018 #81
Link & quote to "millions in tax liens" ?!?!? even DB link you posted only had two sub million liens uponit7771 Nov 2018 #94
Got any actual, you know, PROOF leftynyc Nov 2018 #96
+1, when I ask for proof posters are throwing out words like lazy etc. Avenatti is hitting a nerve uponit7771 Nov 2018 #104
That's not a response to the link and quote request, this is the same shit we put up with in 16 and uponit7771 Nov 2018 #70
He owes millions in IRS tax liens. Millions to business partners Roland99 Nov 2018 #79
A claim is not a link, a link and a quote is. Someone asks to back up a claim and that request gets uponit7771 Nov 2018 #82
It's been posted up here several times before. Been in the news for months Roland99 Nov 2018 #85
Tada, more claim ...shame ... and run. You're not backing up the claim I asked the request for!!! uponit7771 Nov 2018 #88
my links PROVE my claims. He has millions in actual judgments and Millions in IRS tax liens Roland99 Nov 2018 #92
BULL FUCKIN SHIT !! Your upthread post to me did ... NOT ... prove your claim about Avenatti and uponit7771 Nov 2018 #98
Have you managed to figure out yet that Avenatti is completely full of shit? jberryhill Mar 2019 #114
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2018 #49
If she thinks an assassination attempt is funny... then she IS shameful garbage. phleshdef Oct 2018 #35
Old Ironsides Avenatti Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #40
I'm overall positive on Avenatti, he never said he'd be taking him down in tomorrow so timing isn't uponit7771 Nov 2018 #51
Egad. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #52
Don't understand angst against him, I'll stick with him until he has track record of NOT delivering uponit7771 Nov 2018 #53
Assigned to him? Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #56
Link and quote your claim please, I haven't heard this from him. Thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2018 #59
It'd take too long to research every time Ironsides promised Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #60
I'm asking for facts not opinion, you made a claim and should be able to back it up with some ... uponit7771 Nov 2018 #69
Here you go jberryhill Nov 2018 #78
That is not a link !!! Again, give me your source so I can read and decide myself and do NOT ask ... uponit7771 Nov 2018 #84
Are you shitting me? Those are his own tweets! jberryhill Nov 2018 #89
Keep up with the conversation, I asked for proof of "He promises a shit storm every few days. " and uponit7771 Nov 2018 #91
That particular statement is pretty subjective jberryhill Nov 2018 #95
Then let the poster provide something close, again ... this is NOT MAGA Nation where people uponit7771 Nov 2018 #100
People have different opinions about Avenatti generally jberryhill Nov 2018 #106
I've been attacked for asking for a link in this very thread so I don't accept your first sentence uponit7771 Nov 2018 #107
Okay, well then jberryhill Nov 2018 #109
I believe he will until he wont, he didn't say he was going to do it in 3 hours or 30 days so ... uponit7771 Nov 2018 #111
Right. Well..... Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #87
No, if someone ask for source and you continue to bullshit that sounds Russian or the same shit we uponit7771 Nov 2018 #90
I'm done w this little 'discussion'. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #112
Me, too Delarage Nov 2018 #57
I figured someone would rationalize jokes about pipe bombs as simply good, clean fun LanternWaste Nov 2018 #55
Lol Hav Nov 2018 #58
I can have an opinion, and that's what it was. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #62
he should fade away fairly soon. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #63
Looking in this thread the Russia level RFing is noticeable, that's not going to make he fade away uponit7771 Nov 2018 #72
my worry is he would bring the same street fighter style to the 2020 primary. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #93
As long as these tactics are not aimed at dems I'm cool with that uponit7771 Nov 2018 #102
sorry i meant a democratic primary. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #103
"I'm a liberal mom from FL." betsuni Nov 2018 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Nov 2018 #74
Why can't he just go away? why in the hell would he go away ? stonecutter357 Nov 2018 #77
+1, I'm asking for link and quotes and getting claim, shame and run ... similar to 2016 uponit7771 Nov 2018 #86
I'm a little puzzled why anyone would feel the need to respond re Avenatti's tweet. Vinca Nov 2018 #113

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
1. I think he'll eventually fade away when enough people get tired of his shtick
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:47 PM
Oct 2018

and figure out that he's not going to be the savior of the Democratic Party.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
32. There are a couple of motions pending in CA.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:25 PM
Oct 2018

One of them is a motion by the defendants to dismiss the case because Daniels already has been released from the NDA and therefore there's no controversy before the court any more. Avenatti is opposing the motion because he wants to take Trump's deposition, but if there's no longer a claim before the court, how would the deposition be relevant?

What I'm wondering is what became of the project he set up to help immigrant children; we haven't heard anything about that in quite awhile.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
108. The latest is...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:56 PM
Nov 2018

In the defamation lawsuit against Trump, Avenatti has lost utterly, and the court has ordered that Daniels pay Trump's legal fees in that case. Trump's attorneys have put in for a ridiculous amount, which the court is going to slice down to something reasonable for what was essentially a one-motion piece of litigation.

In the contract lawsuit against Cohen and Trump (or more precisely Cohen's company and Trump), the defendants have done a full fall on their sword and admitted no contract exists, which was the entirety of what Daniels was seeking. Accordingly, the court ordered the defendants to file their dismissal briefs, and Avenatti has filed a brief opposing dismissal. This is a tremendous disservice to his client, since when the other side agrees to everything you wanted, you normally quit. In any event, these cross-motions are set for hearing on December 3, and you can follow the docket here if you like:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6336810/clifford-v-trump/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
3. I swear the world is mad as a hatter these days.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:49 PM
Oct 2018

I liked him initially but he’s beginning to act like too many others have eventually acted, even people who often seem reasonable. I know he’s a showboater but that fragile ego stuff is getting to be too much.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
27. What's weird is that he over shot his skiis SO much - acting like he was heir
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:18 PM
Oct 2018

apparent for Dem nom. If he had stepped back - might have worked.

God, doesn't almost everyone on earth seem better than Trump?

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
4. I don't understand what he was responding to
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:49 PM
Oct 2018

I don't know what would merit this kind of response but I would like to know before judging these folks

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
13. He was targeted for assassination and she thinks that there is a joke to be made?
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:57 PM
Oct 2018

I don't get her.

I don't particularly like his response but I don't like her either.

W_HAMILTON

(7,864 posts)
18. I'm in the same boat as you.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:01 PM
Oct 2018

I don't think it's a light-hearted jab at all. I don't see it as "making it all about him" by telling people that he was informed by the FBI that he was on Sayoc's list. She also has gone after Avenatti in other tweets, either personally attacking him or retweeting attacks on him. She might not be trash, but she's not NOT trash.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
83. Whether it was light-hearted or not, it certainly didn't merit the DM he sent her
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:41 AM
Nov 2018

That was something I'd expect from Trump.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
8. Why is there this concerted attack on Avenatti?
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:53 PM
Oct 2018

Is it swiftboating?

Why was someone attacking him for the FBI notifying him that he was on the target list of someone who sent pipe bombs?! What the fuck? Why would anyone attack him for that? I'd also be pretty fucking pissed if people made fun of me if I was attacked that way.

Also note, TIME Magazine STILL has not released their transcript of their interview with him, despite him asking them to do so.

ecstatic

(32,693 posts)
10. "I'm a liberal mom from FL"
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:56 PM
Oct 2018

OK, so why is she spending her energy trashing Avenatti? I don't get it! I think this stems from people on our own side who wish Stormy D. would disappear. Hypocrites.

ecstatic

(32,693 posts)
17. Light hearted jab about pipe bombs?
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:00 PM
Oct 2018

I don't think so. I assume Avenatti has a family who he cares deeply about and the thought of them handling a pipe bomb is probably infuriating to him, hence the response. And yes, he should just log off Twitter if random people on twitter are getting to him like that. But still...

FarPoint

(12,351 posts)
105. Exactly...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:31 PM
Nov 2018

He has been upfront and forthcoming....He attacked tRump successfully when no one else could make a dent... Avenatti.. he's fine in my book of standards

dem4decades

(11,283 posts)
25. It was reported that the bomber had a list of 100 targets. Do you have evidence that
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:13 PM
Oct 2018

Avenatti wasn't one of them?

spooky3

(34,441 posts)
80. He's not stupid. The FBI could have issued a statement
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:19 AM
Nov 2018

Denying his claim if untrue, which would make him look bad. He knows that, so he’s not going to put that claim out there if it is untrue. Besides, his being targeted would fit with the pattern of others who were targeted.

Avenatti is a Democrat, and can be criticized here on the basis of disagreement with his policies or tactics. But general bashing or accusing him (or other Dems) without evidence is over the line IMHO.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
97. Since you provide ZERO proof
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:18 PM
Nov 2018

of any kind, it's YOUR word that appears dubious. If you have that list of 100+ people targeted, serve it up because you simply look like a ratfucker at the moment.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
101. He probably was on that list of 100.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:22 PM
Nov 2018

After all, he & Ms. Daniel's was/is a big thorn in Trump's side.

I don't pay much attention to Avanatti so I don't know why there is so much animosity toward the man. He seems to be a showboat, but he also seems to be somewhat credible. If he can cause Trump grief then I say more power to him.

But like I said, I don't pay much attention to the man.

Dorian Gray

(13,493 posts)
43. Honestly?
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 06:13 AM
Nov 2018

I'm a liberal mom from BK and I think he's full of ego and thin skinned. He's done some good things, but a lot of what he has done is trump level self promotion.

Some people don't like him. Some don't trust him. And some think he's a hero.



uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
48. Looking at his accuracy rate I lean hero, I'm going to stick to the facts about Avenatti and not ...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 07:08 AM
Nov 2018

... let the Russian level HRC hate in.

This smells .... JUST ... like 16 where facts did NOT matter and people were just making shit up

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
15. Gosh. Lots of hard work going on to discredit him. Now we
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:57 PM
Oct 2018

have context-free babble.

He's a loud Democratic voice. He gets the cameras off trump. He says things we need said. That is very hard for some, apparently.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,983 posts)
23. Maybe he went overboard, but I think the Tweet that set him off was a deliberate gibe,
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:10 PM
Oct 2018

not a "light hearted jab." AFAIC there is no such thing as a light hearted jab. At the very least, jabs are by nature meant to discombobulate the recipient. In this case, it was a deliberate insult.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
24. So, with all the shit going on you feel the need to pile on Avenatti
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:11 PM
Oct 2018

He used gender-neutral terms to respond to a slam from an idiot on Twitter.

And WTF does the tweeter's gender have to do with this?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
66. Some of what Avenatti has to say is dead balls on... this time around, we desperately need
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 09:11 AM
Nov 2018

a street fighter who's not going to pull punches against the Bully-in-Chief... fuck civility! While I'm not 100% sold on Avenatti as a 2020 presidential candidate, I still hope he runs... maybe his take-no-prisoners style will rub off on other candidates.

Eko

(7,281 posts)
28. Wow,
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:18 PM
Oct 2018

Stating that you were being targeted by a madman that sent bombs in the mail deserves a "light hearted jab"? Noooooooooo, just nooooooo. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
36. That's so twitter. (sigh)
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:33 PM
Oct 2018

It's highly interactive, that's great.

But the interaction can tend to be so flippant and shallow...

PufPuf23

(8,769 posts)
31. I am disgusted by the Democratic attacks on Anenatti.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:21 PM
Oct 2018

Agree that Avenatti is an attention seeker and I do not consider him a viable candidate (now) for office. But he is on our side and many items would not have reached public discussion without his aggressiveness. He probably learned some tricks from his time with Rahm and is an intelligent man.

Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #31)

PufPuf23

(8,769 posts)
42. My judgement is that you have porr judgement regards Avenatti.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:01 AM
Nov 2018

There is more than a smidgeon of grifter in the great majority of pols and lawyers.

We live with that fact.

Doubt if Avenatti would ever get my vote but he has skill (some learned from Rahm, also not one of my favorites) and has had a visible positive imact, especially when ompared to many in our Party that have sat on their hands and avoided controversy and desire to maintin a Democratic Party status quo.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
54. Feel free to link or explain
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 07:41 AM
Nov 2018

where you feel he has cheated people out of money. That's what grifters do.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
61. Seriously? Are you that unaware of the multiple judgments against him?
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:40 AM
Nov 2018

And his failed attempt to grift money from Beto supporters into his own PAC?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
68. I know many lawyers
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 09:18 AM
Nov 2018

who have had judgments against them by disgruntled clients or partners. And no, I have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Mr. O'Rourke.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
71. +1, notice this is the second person in this thread who isn't responding to link and quote request
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:26 AM
Nov 2018

... but making claims and responding with derision when asked.

I'm book marking this thread, looks like there's some RFing going on when it comes to Avenatti

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
75. Yup
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:56 AM
Nov 2018

My dad was a lawyer (may he rest in peace) and the most ethical (and liberal) person I ever knew. He had a client going through a divorce with her husband (another lawyer) who wrote the nastiest book about my dad and his law firm due to how down and dirty their divorce got (and he got clobbered in court and wound up having to pay my dad's fees but kept going for years with appeal after appeal). So that BS will never sell me that it means a lawyer is actually crooked.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
81. Know many lawyers with millions in IRS tax liens?
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:21 AM
Nov 2018

And millions in judgements against them? Not claims. Actual judgements

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
94. Link & quote to "millions in tax liens" ?!?!? even DB link you posted only had two sub million liens
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:11 PM
Nov 2018

... that Avenatti says was paid and there's no proof they were NOT.

WTF !?!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
96. Got any actual, you know, PROOF
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:15 PM
Nov 2018

about those claims? And have they been thoroughly adjudicated through the appeals process?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
70. That's not a response to the link and quote request, this is the same shit we put up with in 16 and
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:23 AM
Nov 2018

... people asking for concrete evidence shouldn't be meet with derision.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
79. He owes millions in IRS tax liens. Millions to business partners
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:15 AM
Nov 2018

Was living the high life on expensive vacations while IRS tax liens were placed on him

He put up a PAC and grifted half of the money that he said was going to Beto and it went to his own PAC. And Beto doesn’t take money from PACs and Avenatti knew this so all the money stayed in his own PAC. He eventually had to take down that link

But keep defending the cretin. Speaks volumes

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
82. A claim is not a link, a link and a quote is. Someone asks to back up a claim and that request gets
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:39 AM
Nov 2018

... met with derision then its rational to start being skeptical.

You're making claims about him and providing little proof

That speaks volumes...

Que the typical RT "look for it yourself"

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
88. Tada, more claim ...shame ... and run. You're not backing up the claim I asked the request for!!!
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:57 AM
Nov 2018

Your links are to ... FORMER BUSINESS ... judgments that the right wing tried to slime him with.

It's a disagreement had had with a former business partner, that happens and has little to nothing to do with accuracy of his claims in regards to Benedict Donald.

Also, The dem candidate running for governor has some tax liens against her I'm not counting that against her character either.

How about you back up the claim of "And his failed attempt to grift money from Beto supporters into his own PAC?"


Sounds like you're bullshitting here Roland99

Looks like there's something wrong with even that claim you in the parent thread to this child thread and don't want people to look into it.

We'll see

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
92. my links PROVE my claims. He has millions in actual judgments and Millions in IRS tax liens
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:06 PM
Nov 2018

as for his grifting PAC efforts:

Avenatti and ‘Skeezy’ Others Try to Make Their Own Money Off Beto O’Rourke
https://www.thedailybeast.com/political-money-grubbers-flock-to-texas-to-cash-in-on-beto-gold-rush



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additionally:

Bankruptcy judge hits Michael Avenatti's firm with restraining order to freeze legal fees in 54 cases
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-avenatti-bankruptcy-20180711-story.html
A federal bankruptcy judge issued a restraining order late Wednesday to block the firm of Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for porn star Stormy Daniels, from spending any fees it collects while it owes more than $10 million in unpaid debts and back taxes.
The move by Judge Catherine Bauer of U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Santa Ana was a severe blow to Avenatti, whose personal financial troubles have deepened as his star has risen on cable news.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
98. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !! Your upthread post to me did ... NOT ... prove your claim about Avenatti and
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:18 PM
Nov 2018

... BETO.

You provided some bullshit about his former business and some tax liens he claims were paid.

Now in this post you're providing link about BETO where as this little tidbit is at the bottom

Avenatti pushed back against that criticism on Friday. He called it “complete nonsense,” adding that prominent Democrats such as Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris “do the same thing.” Nonetheless, he eventually deleted the donation page. “It wasn’t worth the nonsense that resulted from people that don’t understand how common this is,” he told The Daily Beast in a text message.

Indeed, he’s not the only one seeking to rake in cash on the back of Democratic enthusiasm in Texas.

Others have used the same ActBlue donation split function to lure donors with the prospect of supporting O’Rourke, only to steer the money to other candidates—or themselves. The Progressive Change Campaign Committee set up a similar page last month that asks donors to support O’Rourke’s campaign, but splits funds, unless donors specify otherwise, between O’Rourke, Nebraska House candidate Kara Eastman, and two PCCC campaign accounts.


Roland99

I mentioned in my previous post that you were probably leaving crap out about the BETO page

I was right, you were leaving crap out ... why go through this?

Thx in advance



 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
114. Have you managed to figure out yet that Avenatti is completely full of shit?
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:32 AM
Mar 2019

And do you feel the slightest twinge of regret for the way you have attacked others telling the truth?

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
40. Old Ironsides Avenatti
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:50 PM
Oct 2018

has passed his expiry date in my book. No more amateur presidents.
Be a lawyer. Spend your money, and give the whole "I'm taking down dt" thing a long pause. He didn't, and a lot of his crap filled me w false hope. Mike "yesterday' Avenatti.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
51. I'm overall positive on Avenatti, he never said he'd be taking him down in tomorrow so timing isn't
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 07:13 AM
Nov 2018

... an issue with me.

I'd like a more experienced candidate but if he was the dem nom I'm all in

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
52. Egad.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 07:17 AM
Nov 2018

No way.
He brayed almost everyday that he was going to pull down the president. He never said "in a few years"...either. Ty for the post though. We need professional Political Scientists imho. We have a lot of precision work to do to rehab America.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
53. Don't understand angst against him, I'll stick with him until he has track record of NOT delivering
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 07:23 AM
Nov 2018

... again, not my first 2020 pic but if he's the nom I'm 100.

I don't agree with the unreasonable expectations assigned to him.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
56. Assigned to him?
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:23 AM
Nov 2018

He promises a shit storm every few days. Remember the DVD disc? Please. The guys cashing in on free advertising. To each his own.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
60. It'd take too long to research every time Ironsides promised
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:40 AM
Nov 2018

bad times for Dt. If you can't remember the dvd bit...I'm not sure what to tell you. I can have an opinion without providing you a link. The idea that you'd choose an Avenatti type over someone like a seasoned person like a Hillary Clinton as our President is baffling. But, like i said, to each his own.
Seems he "debates" dt on the freakin twitter dang near everyday. You're welcome in advance.
PS...see my signature.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
69. I'm asking for facts not opinion, you made a claim and should be able to back it up with some ...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:22 AM
Nov 2018

... concrete evidence.

We're not going to eat the same shit we did in 16 where people would prose something, not be able to back it up then through in tons of ad homs before backing out with the waving hand emoji.

This looks like some more Russian RTfing

Bookmarked

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
78. Here you go
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:12 AM
Nov 2018

If you don't know what the "dvd thing" is in reference to, then I would suggest you haven't paid much attention to his claims in the first place.

It was a tease, suggesting he had a damning video of some kind:



Then there were the "DHS Whistleblowers" who never showed up:



That was back in June. It is now November. Could you remind me what has come of the ICE whistleblowers and outside contractors he is representing in order to "blow this wide open" and "take the info to the American people"? Thank you in advance.

These are not made-up accusations. They are things he has claimed and not delivered. Likewise, the recent judgment against him obtained by his former partner is not some kind of "swiftboating" (which were entirely fictional accusations). It is a fact. It may be a fact you don't like, but it is surprising that you claim to follow his goings on, and seem to have no knowledge of them.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
84. That is not a link !!! Again, give me your source so I can read and decide myself and do NOT ask ...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:45 AM
Nov 2018

... someone to trust you when they're already asking for proof

I'm seeing the same 2016 claim, shame and run shit among people and it's being laid on thick.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
89. Are you shitting me? Those are his own tweets!
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:59 AM
Nov 2018

My goodness, here is the link to his OWN tweet about the supposed "whistleblowers" who never showed up:




Here is the link to his OWN tweet about the DVD about which you claim ignorance:




Here is a news article about the recent judgment against him obtained by his former partner:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-avenatti-eviction-20181022-story.html

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
91. Keep up with the conversation, I asked for proof of "He promises a shit storm every few days. " and
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:05 PM
Nov 2018

... have not gotten any proof CLOSE to that.

The poster made the claim of "He promises a shit storm every few days. "

Let him back it up

This is not MAGA Nation were people make claims and we're supposed to believe it without much discernment

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
95. That particular statement is pretty subjective
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:13 PM
Nov 2018

What constitutes either a "shit storm" or "every few days" in that quote for which you demand proof would hinge on what one defines as a "shit storm" or "every few days".

Clearly, he has on multiple instances implied or stated things that he has not delivered. I have linked to two examples of that.

Thus far, on behalf of the principal client for whom he initially became well known, the only thing he has accomplished is to receive a judgment against her for attorney's fees in the ill-advised defamation case. (and if you don't believe that, here is a link to the court's judgment, and I refer you to the ruling on the final page here: "Defendant is entitled to attorney's fees under the Texas Citizen Participation Act." https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.719561/gov.uscourts.cacd.719561.36.0_2.pdf )

It is actually quite spectacular, when you consider the degree of posturing in which Avenatti has engaged, that while his only accomplishment on behalf of Daniels thus far is to obtain a judgment AGAINST HER, that people continue to believe he is some kind of legal genius.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
100. Then let the poster provide something close, again ... this is NOT MAGA Nation where people
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:20 PM
Nov 2018

... eat shit information without much discernment and just take peoples word for everything.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
106. People have different opinions about Avenatti generally
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:41 PM
Nov 2018

Your interest appears to be primarily attacking other posters on the forum, rather than dealing constructively with the fact that there are persons whose opinions differ from yours.

Saying that "he promises a shit storm every few days" is a subjective characterization, expressing an opinion.

Avenatti is not a Democratic office holder or candidate for any office. People have different opinions about him, his objectives, his techniques, and his history. So what?

The fact of the matter is, taking that statement as "he has a habit of making grand promises and not delivering", that is demonstrably and factually true. I have posted a few examples. If I have time and giveashititude about it later today, I will post more.

You seem to have an inordinate amount of personal hostility to people whose opinions differ from your own. What trolls seek to do, more than simply "say things I don't like", is to stir up distrust and to amplify differences of opinion to make mountains of molehills.

Avenatti is primarily a self-promoting media figure who has never occupied a public office of any kind and has no record whatsoever of public service of any sort. Anyone's opinion about him is as consequential as anyone's opinion about who might win Survivor this season.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
107. I've been attacked for asking for a link in this very thread so I don't accept your first sentence
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:53 PM
Nov 2018

... as factual.

I'm not interested in bullshit ass'd claims and even an opinion can be governed by facts and it doesn't sound like the ones in regards to Avenatti are.

I'm now skeptical in regards to claims on DU about Avenatti and will be showing this very thread as proof.

I've not been bullshitted this much about someone who's fighting against Benedict Donald since 2016.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
109. Okay, well then
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:58 PM
Nov 2018

So, what do you think about the information that Avenatti has promised to make public about his representation of whistleblowers and contractors for DHS and ICE?

Or do you not believe that was a tweet of his?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
111. I believe he will until he wont, he didn't say he was going to do it in 3 hours or 30 days so ...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 01:21 PM
Nov 2018

... if that's the knock then it sounds like the same one used against Obama; the he hasn't done it in the timespan I want criticism.


If he doesn't make the information about DHS and ICE public, RELATIVE TO HIS CURRENT TRACK RECORD, I believe he'll have a good explanation of why he did not.

I don't see him as someone leaving a total opposite in the air like Benedict Donald does.

Look, whatever faults there are with Avenatti they're not big enough to minimize him in regards to his effects on the Kremlin KKKlan.

I ... NO DOUBT ... think his tactics against Red Don's crew get the response needed.

I believe Avenatti is a good force for dems and not a negative one.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
87. Right. Well.....
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:48 AM
Nov 2018

I think I got your position. I don't like the guy ANYMORE. Was a big fan to begin with, but, he's kinda gone off on tangents to keep himself in the news. I havent seen much actual progress on the knee capping of dt and so...I guess we can go on like this for hours, but, I lost interest. Anything you need about Ironsides is right at your fingertips in google. I guess if you aren't thrilled w Avenatti then youre a Russian? Is that what you're telling me?
If you're saying I'm here to cause some sort of problem then maybe we should take this up to a higher level, bc it sounds like borderline accusing me of something and Im not ok w that. AT ALL.
Are you saying I'm a Russian? Just so were clear? yes...bookmarked as well.
I've been here this year. I have ZERO info about what happened here in 2016, but, you're barking up the wrong tree w the crutch. Better have your ducks in a row before you accuse me of being here to hurt this forum. Pretty unbelievable assertion.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
90. No, if someone ask for source and you continue to bullshit that sounds Russian or the same shit we
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 12:01 PM
Nov 2018

... put up with in 2016 were people would Claim, Shame and Run with waving hand emoji.

We Got that

Thing about dems is we learn faster than kkkons, we don't just continue to fall for the same shit different day and expect different results

Just provide a credible source on a story, this isn't MAGA Nation where people just eat all kinds of shit without checking themselves.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
112. I'm done w this little 'discussion'.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 01:23 PM
Nov 2018

i get it. You like Avenatti. Don't ever accuse me of something when you clearly have no clue, and, for the record, I can have an opinion without sourcing my opinion for you. It's done here 1000's of times a day. 4 more years of another big mouth is JUST what we need right? Groan. Bye 777. I'm shutting you out. Have a good one.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
57. Me, too
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:23 AM
Nov 2018

I like his no-BS approach and I'd love to see him debate 45; he'd rip him a new one. But I'll be voting for whatever Democrat runs for whatever office anywhere, anytime.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
55. I figured someone would rationalize jokes about pipe bombs as simply good, clean fun
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:22 AM
Nov 2018

I figured someone would rationalize jokes about pipe bombs as nothing more than good, clean fun, and the less-than-happy responses to that absurd ethical dance as oppression.

"...just go away" indeed.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
58. Lol
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:24 AM
Nov 2018

I don't want him to run for President nor am I a fan of his response or style. But seriously, if you can't take it, don't dish it out on such a serious topic. This nobody on Twitter deliberately mocked Avenatti for being a target of the Magabomber. She wanted some attention and then acts surprised that it results in a reaction. This is what Twitter is for many. Making stupid, provocative comments about more famous people to get shared and to enjoy some attention.

Also, no need to stress that it was a woman. Would the response have been less crass had it been directed to a man? Is a jerk on Twitter still a jerk if the jerk is a woman? To make it about her being female is condescending as well.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
72. Looking in this thread the Russia level RFing is noticeable, that's not going to make he fade away
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:28 AM
Nov 2018

... when he's still delivering claims.

Not perfect but good enough

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
113. I'm a little puzzled why anyone would feel the need to respond re Avenatti's tweet.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 01:53 PM
Nov 2018

All he said was that he'd been informed he was a Magabomber target and thanked the FBI. If you dislike someone you don't have to respond to everything they say good or bad. Get a life.

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