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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAvenatti being ... Avenatti
Link to tweet
This was his insulting attack on a woman for a light hearted jab at him
Link to tweet
Why can't he just go away?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)and figure out that he's not going to be the savior of the Democratic Party.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)One of them is a motion by the defendants to dismiss the case because Daniels already has been released from the NDA and therefore there's no controversy before the court any more. Avenatti is opposing the motion because he wants to take Trump's deposition, but if there's no longer a claim before the court, how would the deposition be relevant?
What I'm wondering is what became of the project he set up to help immigrant children; we haven't heard anything about that in quite awhile.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)In the defamation lawsuit against Trump, Avenatti has lost utterly, and the court has ordered that Daniels pay Trump's legal fees in that case. Trump's attorneys have put in for a ridiculous amount, which the court is going to slice down to something reasonable for what was essentially a one-motion piece of litigation.
In the contract lawsuit against Cohen and Trump (or more precisely Cohen's company and Trump), the defendants have done a full fall on their sword and admitted no contract exists, which was the entirety of what Daniels was seeking. Accordingly, the court ordered the defendants to file their dismissal briefs, and Avenatti has filed a brief opposing dismissal. This is a tremendous disservice to his client, since when the other side agrees to everything you wanted, you normally quit. In any event, these cross-motions are set for hearing on December 3, and you can follow the docket here if you like:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6336810/clifford-v-trump/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)dem4decades
(11,283 posts)skylucy
(3,739 posts)nolabear
(41,960 posts)I liked him initially but hes beginning to act like too many others have eventually acted, even people who often seem reasonable. I know hes a showboater but that fragile ego stuff is getting to be too much.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)apparent for Dem nom. If he had stepped back - might have worked.
God, doesn't almost everyone on earth seem better than Trump?
nolabear
(41,960 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,847 posts)I don't know what would merit this kind of response but I would like to know before judging these folks
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,847 posts)I don't get her.
I don't particularly like his response but I don't like her either.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,864 posts)I don't think it's a light-hearted jab at all. I don't see it as "making it all about him" by telling people that he was informed by the FBI that he was on Sayoc's list. She also has gone after Avenatti in other tweets, either personally attacking him or retweeting attacks on him. She might not be trash, but she's not NOT trash.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)That was something I'd expect from Trump.
irisblue
(32,969 posts)I'm confused here.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)Nope.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)manor321
(3,344 posts)Is it swiftboating?
Why was someone attacking him for the FBI notifying him that he was on the target list of someone who sent pipe bombs?! What the fuck? Why would anyone attack him for that? I'd also be pretty fucking pissed if people made fun of me if I was attacked that way.
Also note, TIME Magazine STILL has not released their transcript of their interview with him, despite him asking them to do so.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)ecstatic
(32,693 posts)OK, so why is she spending her energy trashing Avenatti? I don't get it! I think this stems from people on our own side who wish Stormy D. would disappear. Hypocrites.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)ecstatic
(32,693 posts)I don't think so. I assume Avenatti has a family who he cares deeply about and the thought of them handling a pipe bomb is probably infuriating to him, hence the response. And yes, he should just log off Twitter if random people on twitter are getting to him like that. But still...
Roland99
(53,342 posts)ecstatic
(32,693 posts)Do you have an example of one lie he has told?
FarPoint
(12,351 posts)He has been upfront and forthcoming....He attacked tRump successfully when no one else could make a dent... Avenatti.. he's fine in my book of standards
dem4decades
(11,283 posts)Avenatti wasn't one of them?
blue neen
(12,319 posts)Strange.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)spooky3
(34,441 posts)Denying his claim if untrue, which would make him look bad. He knows that, so hes not going to put that claim out there if it is untrue. Besides, his being targeted would fit with the pattern of others who were targeted.
Avenatti is a Democrat, and can be criticized here on the basis of disagreement with his policies or tactics. But general bashing or accusing him (or other Dems) without evidence is over the line IMHO.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)of any kind, it's YOUR word that appears dubious. If you have that list of 100+ people targeted, serve it up because you simply look like a ratfucker at the moment.
dmr
(28,347 posts)After all, he & Ms. Daniel's was/is a big thorn in Trump's side.
I don't pay much attention to Avanatti so I don't know why there is so much animosity toward the man. He seems to be a showboat, but he also seems to be somewhat credible. If he can cause Trump grief then I say more power to him.
But like I said, I don't pay much attention to the man.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)I'm a liberal mom from BK and I think he's full of ego and thin skinned. He's done some good things, but a lot of what he has done is trump level self promotion.
Some people don't like him. Some don't trust him. And some think he's a hero.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... let the Russian level HRC hate in.
This smells .... JUST ... like 16 where facts did NOT matter and people were just making shit up
Squinch
(50,949 posts)have context-free babble.
He's a loud Democratic voice. He gets the cameras off trump. He says things we need said. That is very hard for some, apparently.
meluvrem
(22 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,983 posts)not a "light hearted jab." AFAIC there is no such thing as a light hearted jab. At the very least, jabs are by nature meant to discombobulate the recipient. In this case, it was a deliberate insult.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Blecht
(3,803 posts)He used gender-neutral terms to respond to a slam from an idiot on Twitter.
And WTF does the tweeter's gender have to do with this?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)a street fighter who's not going to pull punches against the Bully-in-Chief... fuck civility! While I'm not 100% sold on Avenatti as a 2020 presidential candidate, I still hope he runs... maybe his take-no-prisoners style will rub off on other candidates.
Stating that you were being targeted by a madman that sent bombs in the mail deserves a "light hearted jab"? Noooooooooo, just nooooooo. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)It's highly interactive, that's great.
But the interaction can tend to be so flippant and shallow...
PufPuf23
(8,769 posts)Agree that Avenatti is an attention seeker and I do not consider him a viable candidate (now) for office. But he is on our side and many items would not have reached public discussion without his aggressiveness. He probably learned some tricks from his time with Rahm and is an intelligent man.
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PufPuf23
(8,769 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Hes a grifter. At best
PufPuf23
(8,769 posts)There is more than a smidgeon of grifter in the great majority of pols and lawyers.
We live with that fact.
Doubt if Avenatti would ever get my vote but he has skill (some learned from Rahm, also not one of my favorites) and has had a visible positive imact, especially when ompared to many in our Party that have sat on their hands and avoided controversy and desire to maintin a Democratic Party status quo.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)where you feel he has cheated people out of money. That's what grifters do.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)And his failed attempt to grift money from Beto supporters into his own PAC?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)who have had judgments against them by disgruntled clients or partners. And no, I have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Mr. O'Rourke.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... but making claims and responding with derision when asked.
I'm book marking this thread, looks like there's some RFing going on when it comes to Avenatti
My dad was a lawyer (may he rest in peace) and the most ethical (and liberal) person I ever knew. He had a client going through a divorce with her husband (another lawyer) who wrote the nastiest book about my dad and his law firm due to how down and dirty their divorce got (and he got clobbered in court and wound up having to pay my dad's fees but kept going for years with appeal after appeal). So that BS will never sell me that it means a lawyer is actually crooked.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)And millions in judgements against them? Not claims. Actual judgements
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... that Avenatti says was paid and there's no proof they were NOT.
WTF !?!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)about those claims? And have they been thoroughly adjudicated through the appeals process?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... people asking for concrete evidence shouldn't be meet with derision.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Was living the high life on expensive vacations while IRS tax liens were placed on him
He put up a PAC and grifted half of the money that he said was going to Beto and it went to his own PAC. And Beto doesnt take money from PACs and Avenatti knew this so all the money stayed in his own PAC. He eventually had to take down that link
But keep defending the cretin. Speaks volumes
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... met with derision then its rational to start being skeptical.
You're making claims about him and providing little proof
That speaks volumes...
Que the typical RT "look for it yourself"
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Are you that lazy?
Took me just a few secs:
$10 million judgment
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-avenatti-bankruptcy-20180522-story.html
Tax liens
https://www.thedailybeast.com/michael-avenatti-lived-the-high-life-while-owing-millions-to-irs
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Your links are to ... FORMER BUSINESS ... judgments that the right wing tried to slime him with.
It's a disagreement had had with a former business partner, that happens and has little to nothing to do with accuracy of his claims in regards to Benedict Donald.
Also, The dem candidate running for governor has some tax liens against her I'm not counting that against her character either.
How about you back up the claim of "And his failed attempt to grift money from Beto supporters into his own PAC?"
Sounds like you're bullshitting here Roland99
Looks like there's something wrong with even that claim you in the parent thread to this child thread and don't want people to look into it.
We'll see
Roland99
(53,342 posts)as for his grifting PAC efforts:
Avenatti and Skeezy Others Try to Make Their Own Money Off Beto ORourke
https://www.thedailybeast.com/political-money-grubbers-flock-to-texas-to-cash-in-on-beto-gold-rush
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additionally:
Bankruptcy judge hits Michael Avenatti's firm with restraining order to freeze legal fees in 54 cases
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-avenatti-bankruptcy-20180711-story.html
A federal bankruptcy judge issued a restraining order late Wednesday to block the firm of Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for porn star Stormy Daniels, from spending any fees it collects while it owes more than $10 million in unpaid debts and back taxes.
The move by Judge Catherine Bauer of U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Santa Ana was a severe blow to Avenatti, whose personal financial troubles have deepened as his star has risen on cable news.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... BETO.
You provided some bullshit about his former business and some tax liens he claims were paid.
Now in this post you're providing link about BETO where as this little tidbit is at the bottom
Avenatti pushed back against that criticism on Friday. He called it complete nonsense, adding that prominent Democrats such as Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris do the same thing. Nonetheless, he eventually deleted the donation page. It wasnt worth the nonsense that resulted from people that dont understand how common this is, he told The Daily Beast in a text message.
Indeed, hes not the only one seeking to rake in cash on the back of Democratic enthusiasm in Texas.
Others have used the same ActBlue donation split function to lure donors with the prospect of supporting ORourke, only to steer the money to other candidatesor themselves. The Progressive Change Campaign Committee set up a similar page last month that asks donors to support ORourkes campaign, but splits funds, unless donors specify otherwise, between ORourke, Nebraska House candidate Kara Eastman, and two PCCC campaign accounts.
Roland99
I mentioned in my previous post that you were probably leaving crap out about the BETO page
I was right, you were leaving crap out ... why go through this?
Thx in advance
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And do you feel the slightest twinge of regret for the way you have attacked others telling the truth?
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)has passed his expiry date in my book. No more amateur presidents.
Be a lawyer. Spend your money, and give the whole "I'm taking down dt" thing a long pause. He didn't, and a lot of his crap filled me w false hope. Mike "yesterday' Avenatti.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... an issue with me.
I'd like a more experienced candidate but if he was the dem nom I'm all in
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)No way.
He brayed almost everyday that he was going to pull down the president. He never said "in a few years"...either. Ty for the post though. We need professional Political Scientists imho. We have a lot of precision work to do to rehab America.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... again, not my first 2020 pic but if he's the nom I'm 100.
I don't agree with the unreasonable expectations assigned to him.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)He promises a shit storm every few days. Remember the DVD disc? Please. The guys cashing in on free advertising. To each his own.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)bad times for Dt. If you can't remember the dvd bit...I'm not sure what to tell you. I can have an opinion without providing you a link. The idea that you'd choose an Avenatti type over someone like a seasoned person like a Hillary Clinton as our President is baffling. But, like i said, to each his own.
Seems he "debates" dt on the freakin twitter dang near everyday. You're welcome in advance.
PS...see my signature.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... concrete evidence.
We're not going to eat the same shit we did in 16 where people would prose something, not be able to back it up then through in tons of ad homs before backing out with the waving hand emoji.
This looks like some more Russian RTfing
Bookmarked
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If you don't know what the "dvd thing" is in reference to, then I would suggest you haven't paid much attention to his claims in the first place.
It was a tease, suggesting he had a damning video of some kind:
Then there were the "DHS Whistleblowers" who never showed up:
That was back in June. It is now November. Could you remind me what has come of the ICE whistleblowers and outside contractors he is representing in order to "blow this wide open" and "take the info to the American people"? Thank you in advance.
These are not made-up accusations. They are things he has claimed and not delivered. Likewise, the recent judgment against him obtained by his former partner is not some kind of "swiftboating" (which were entirely fictional accusations). It is a fact. It may be a fact you don't like, but it is surprising that you claim to follow his goings on, and seem to have no knowledge of them.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... someone to trust you when they're already asking for proof
I'm seeing the same 2016 claim, shame and run shit among people and it's being laid on thick.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)My goodness, here is the link to his OWN tweet about the supposed "whistleblowers" who never showed up:
Link to tweet
Here is the link to his OWN tweet about the DVD about which you claim ignorance:
Link to tweet
Here is a news article about the recent judgment against him obtained by his former partner:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-avenatti-eviction-20181022-story.html
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... have not gotten any proof CLOSE to that.
The poster made the claim of "He promises a shit storm every few days. "
Let him back it up
This is not MAGA Nation were people make claims and we're supposed to believe it without much discernment
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What constitutes either a "shit storm" or "every few days" in that quote for which you demand proof would hinge on what one defines as a "shit storm" or "every few days".
Clearly, he has on multiple instances implied or stated things that he has not delivered. I have linked to two examples of that.
Thus far, on behalf of the principal client for whom he initially became well known, the only thing he has accomplished is to receive a judgment against her for attorney's fees in the ill-advised defamation case. (and if you don't believe that, here is a link to the court's judgment, and I refer you to the ruling on the final page here: "Defendant is entitled to attorney's fees under the Texas Citizen Participation Act." https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.719561/gov.uscourts.cacd.719561.36.0_2.pdf )
It is actually quite spectacular, when you consider the degree of posturing in which Avenatti has engaged, that while his only accomplishment on behalf of Daniels thus far is to obtain a judgment AGAINST HER, that people continue to believe he is some kind of legal genius.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... eat shit information without much discernment and just take peoples word for everything.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Your interest appears to be primarily attacking other posters on the forum, rather than dealing constructively with the fact that there are persons whose opinions differ from yours.
Saying that "he promises a shit storm every few days" is a subjective characterization, expressing an opinion.
Avenatti is not a Democratic office holder or candidate for any office. People have different opinions about him, his objectives, his techniques, and his history. So what?
The fact of the matter is, taking that statement as "he has a habit of making grand promises and not delivering", that is demonstrably and factually true. I have posted a few examples. If I have time and giveashititude about it later today, I will post more.
You seem to have an inordinate amount of personal hostility to people whose opinions differ from your own. What trolls seek to do, more than simply "say things I don't like", is to stir up distrust and to amplify differences of opinion to make mountains of molehills.
Avenatti is primarily a self-promoting media figure who has never occupied a public office of any kind and has no record whatsoever of public service of any sort. Anyone's opinion about him is as consequential as anyone's opinion about who might win Survivor this season.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... as factual.
I'm not interested in bullshit ass'd claims and even an opinion can be governed by facts and it doesn't sound like the ones in regards to Avenatti are.
I'm now skeptical in regards to claims on DU about Avenatti and will be showing this very thread as proof.
I've not been bullshitted this much about someone who's fighting against Benedict Donald since 2016.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So, what do you think about the information that Avenatti has promised to make public about his representation of whistleblowers and contractors for DHS and ICE?
Or do you not believe that was a tweet of his?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... if that's the knock then it sounds like the same one used against Obama; the he hasn't done it in the timespan I want criticism.
If he doesn't make the information about DHS and ICE public, RELATIVE TO HIS CURRENT TRACK RECORD, I believe he'll have a good explanation of why he did not.
I don't see him as someone leaving a total opposite in the air like Benedict Donald does.
Look, whatever faults there are with Avenatti they're not big enough to minimize him in regards to his effects on the Kremlin KKKlan.
I ... NO DOUBT ... think his tactics against Red Don's crew get the response needed.
I believe Avenatti is a good force for dems and not a negative one.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)I think I got your position. I don't like the guy ANYMORE. Was a big fan to begin with, but, he's kinda gone off on tangents to keep himself in the news. I havent seen much actual progress on the knee capping of dt and so...I guess we can go on like this for hours, but, I lost interest. Anything you need about Ironsides is right at your fingertips in google. I guess if you aren't thrilled w Avenatti then youre a Russian? Is that what you're telling me?
If you're saying I'm here to cause some sort of problem then maybe we should take this up to a higher level, bc it sounds like borderline accusing me of something and Im not ok w that. AT ALL.
Are you saying I'm a Russian? Just so were clear? yes...bookmarked as well.
I've been here this year. I have ZERO info about what happened here in 2016, but, you're barking up the wrong tree w the crutch. Better have your ducks in a row before you accuse me of being here to hurt this forum. Pretty unbelievable assertion.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... put up with in 2016 were people would Claim, Shame and Run with waving hand emoji.
We Got that
Thing about dems is we learn faster than kkkons, we don't just continue to fall for the same shit different day and expect different results
Just provide a credible source on a story, this isn't MAGA Nation where people just eat all kinds of shit without checking themselves.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)i get it. You like Avenatti. Don't ever accuse me of something when you clearly have no clue, and, for the record, I can have an opinion without sourcing my opinion for you. It's done here 1000's of times a day. 4 more years of another big mouth is JUST what we need right? Groan. Bye 777. I'm shutting you out. Have a good one.
Delarage
(2,186 posts)I like his no-BS approach and I'd love to see him debate 45; he'd rip him a new one. But I'll be voting for whatever Democrat runs for whatever office anywhere, anytime.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I figured someone would rationalize jokes about pipe bombs as nothing more than good, clean fun, and the less-than-happy responses to that absurd ethical dance as oppression.
"...just go away" indeed.
I don't want him to run for President nor am I a fan of his response or style. But seriously, if you can't take it, don't dish it out on such a serious topic. This nobody on Twitter deliberately mocked Avenatti for being a target of the Magabomber. She wanted some attention and then acts surprised that it results in a reaction. This is what Twitter is for many. Making stupid, provocative comments about more famous people to get shared and to enjoy some attention.
Also, no need to stress that it was a woman. Would the response have been less crass had it been directed to a man? Is a jerk on Twitter still a jerk if the jerk is a woman? To make it about her being female is condescending as well.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)You hang loose. See my signature line.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... when he's still delivering claims.
Not perfect but good enough
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)betsuni
(25,475 posts)Response to Roland99 (Original post)
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stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)All he said was that he'd been informed he was a Magabomber target and thanked the FBI. If you dislike someone you don't have to respond to everything they say good or bad. Get a life.