Kornacki is officially "The Most Annoying Person On TV"

[PCIntern]

Poll-man here:

Here are the rules:

If the Dem is leading by six pts or fewer, it’s a tie and they may lose

If a Rethug is leading or tied he/she is a clear winner “if trends continue”

If a race is tied, the Rethug is winning

Nothing Dems can do will help their chances
Nothing Rethugs can do will hurt their chances “in the long run”

And here’s the most interesting thing: when he uses an example R vs D he ALWAYS says that on a “great day” the Rethugs hold the House by 5 seats and on a “bad day” the Dems swing 50 their way.
That’s Rethug lingo. Sorry.

And I despise Log Cabin Rethugs as I despise anyone who would hold up a sign which reads “Blacks for Trump”. Despicable

[malaise]

1. I can't watch him

He is a vexation to my entire being

[Pachamama]

2. Same here....

I can't stand his voice and his weird energy....worse than nails on a black board for me....

So combined with the things he says....can't watch him. I literally turn the channel and find myself agitated for awhile....

I really wish MSNBC would stop having him show up everywhere around election time....I will not watch the election eve coverage on MSNBC because of him.

[malaise]

7. Worse than nails on a blackboard

Nailed it.

[PatSeg]

84. Yes

It has gotten progressively worse over the years. I remember when he was a guest on Keith Olbermann's show and I really liked him back then. Over time he started getting more and more airtime, even had a full hour slot for awhile and that is when I just couldn't take much more of him. Now, I either fast-forward or change the channel. He needs to dial it down several notches.

Meanwhile, I am avoiding all these political polls and predictions. They are over hyped, often wrong, and too depressing. I'll just wait and see on election night.

[GWC58]

138. Don't ya know it has to be, must be

made into a horse race. It’s “and down the stretch they come” time. 🤪😳😱

[PatSeg]

164. Every darn election

Too many in the MSM spend time creating news, instead of reporting it. The constant hype and exaggeration is getting pretty old. Being everyone right now is totally stressed out, we don't need manufactured news. With Trump and Company, the real news should be tantalizing enough.

[hlthe2b]

3. I thought it was only his frenetic body language, speech, and bearing that annoyed me but

he might be the first on-tv personality whose posture--just standing there next to the "big board" his "script" rolled up in one hand, feet unusually far apart, with his khakis and mandatory oxford shirt w/sleeves rolled up and athletic shoes looking for all the world as though he'd slept in them--really annoy me. And, that is only a "start"...

His shtick wore thin, long ago. At this point, I'd be happy to see them "dig up" Tim Russert and his silly little hand-held board full of chicken scratch writing. No disrespect to the late Russert, but, this whole "gig" has gotten ridiculous.

[malaise]

6. Perfectly stated

[2naSalit]

11. +1

[Scarsdale]

63. What happened to Russert's son?

He was given lucrative gigs on TV, just because of who his father was. Just like tRump's "kids", Meghan McCain, Jenna Bush Hagar, and a slew of others.

[hlthe2b]

65. He quit a couple of years ago and from what I can tell is just traveling and not working...

(must be nice)

[PatSeg]

81. Well

Certainly nice for us. He drove me nuts.

[Scarsdale]

82. Thanks for the update.

Yes, it must be nice. Eventually he will have to get a job, though. Need qualifications once daddy has gone, so it will not be easy.

[EffieBlack]

115. Bingo

He's just annoying. And MSNBC's constant hyping of him as the wunderkind of political analysis and prognostication is grating on the nerves.

[Snotcicles]

143. I catch a lot of flak on here when I bring up how manipulative MSNBC is, in method and delivery.

I started noticing over the past years the exaggerated hand gestures that seem to be choreographed. Chris Hayes is another hand flail-er. Its all so phony and plastic it stands out. When the guests started doing it as well I would notice them suddenly remember to do it especially after they realized the camera was on them. It takes away from the content of the discussion when it is obvious they are all being coached. Kornacki however, has gone full blown court jester. I think he drew the small straw to do the Big Board. Hey it beats the mail-room so maybe he decided to own it. The light blue shirt, sleeves rolled up. The dark blue striped tie and khaki pants with the tennies LOL. It isn't just them heck watch football commentators in the booth during a football game they all use the same body language script. It's cool they don't mess with Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell and they are worth putting up with all of it. Lawrence O'Donnell's opening monologues are priceless and his first guests seem spellbound every night. A thing to behold.

[BadgerMom]

86. I came to say the same thing.

I mute or change channels as soon as I hear him.

[malaise]

89. It's like he can't keep still

hype on steroids.

[dmr]

150. I can't listen to him. His voice - arrghhh ....

I wondered if it was just me, lol.

When he comes on ... I hit mute, leave the room, fast forward, change the channel ... whatever is easy for me at the time. I will NOT listen to him drone on and on and on.

Like the OP, I question his analysis - well, I would if I still listened, but what he says and how he says it just isn't worth my time or peace of mind.

[Stellar]

4. You are right. I thought that something was wrong with me.

And they say he will be reporting daily until after the election.

[berlin_expat]

5. Agree whole heartedly

His annoying factor is off the charts! A close second is Stephanie Ruhle!

[Eyeball_Kid]

92. What? You don't like Stephanie's 60 tooth smile? n/t

The less she smiles the better she reports.

[maxsolomon]

141. like a hooker?

wow.

I put my arm over my chair back sometimes too. I guess I'm like a sex worker!

[libdem4life]

156. I get you don't get it. Thank you for sharing. n/t

[demmiblue]

159. Apparently, you don't get it. n/t

[pdsimdars]

8. Oops, I'm a math major and find his analysis insightful. . . sorry.

Numbers guy.

[Demsrule86]

37. I am a numbers guy too. I find his analysis partisan towards the GOP. His interpretation

is not correct.

[Raine]

173. I feel the same

I'm not so much a numbers gal but I prefer living in reality rather then fantasyland, been there done that.

[Funtatlaguy]

9. You can't take the Log out of the Cabin. Chickens 🐓 4 Col Sanders

[The Blue Flower]

10. That distinction has been won forever by the repugnant mad man

The orange Benedict Arnold makes me change the channel every time.

[BumRushDaShow]

12. But remember

some on DU believe and agree with these M$M anti-Democratic party assessments and will blame the party for a "lack of messaging".

[catbyte]

47. That's what royally pisses me off, the whole dishonest "lack of messaging" shtick

If Democrats are so bad at messaging, why are Republicans now claiming that only THEY care about protecting pre-existing conditions, how only THEY will protect our health care, as if we're all morons who don't remember their 60+ attempts to destroy the ACA. Every single political ad here in Michigan--Republican or Democratic--talks about health care. I'd say that was one helluva strong message. And not one Republican even mentions that tax scam bill from last year which was supposed to save them all. Sheesh.

[BumRushDaShow]

62. Ahhh... this is true

especially about their original strategy of touting the "tax cuts" and how wonderful they were for the "average person", which we know is a lie and they knew was a lie... So our "messaging" that it was nothing more than what it was - "tax cuts for the wealthy", has prevailed.

So they dropped that and suddenly healthcare ("Obamacare" ) is more important, despite the fact that it was OUR legislation, with not one of them voting for it, and preservation of "healthcare" has always been our "message", and they furiously did everything in their power to kill it.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. Kornacki dresses like a slob you just dragged out of bed and handed him the mike

[whathehell]

24. Huh?. .He wears khakis & buttoned down shirts

He looks fine.

[bucolic_frolic]

25. With white sneakers and baggy wrinkled pants

Kornacki dresses like a slob you just dragged out of bed and handed him the mike

[whathehell]

32. Oh the horror!

Maybe you should call the fashion police.

[bucolic_frolic]

39. Dressing like you just crawled out of bed

and thrown on some flats like you're spending the Sunday afternoon at JC Penney is no way to go on national TV

[whathehell]

58. Well, the problem is..

not everyone serms to agree with your assessment of him.

[getagrip_already]

90. I don't caare how he dresses either....

It's his schtick. He's trying to appear hip and nerdy, but frankly he isn't pulling it off any more. He has aged out of that look and now just appears silly. Like a dad trying to be cool in front of your friends, but comes off a dufus.

What I don't like is the constant egg whipping. It's always a horse race, there is always a "but", and he cherry picks individual polls to make a point that is annoying more times than not.

He could be the perfect foil to explain why you should look at the average of polls, not the individual poll. He could also discuss individual pollsters, their history, accuracy, and lean. And maybe even explain how polls are built and conducted.

The horrors - actual news!

[calimary]

163. I suspect it's probably management exhorting him to "HORSE RACE! HORSE RACE! STIR IT UP!"

Conflict and drama and stirring shit up gets ratings. I've heard some of the debates by the network programmers - who've admitted that predictable election results and certain outcomes don't leave people hanging on their television hour after hour, dying to find out who wins. When it's over at 8pm Pacific and the anchors call it a night early, no ratings. No excitement - even the manufactured kind. Nothing to show to the advertisers to up the ad rates. So damn contrived! I hate it, myself. But for me, it's mainly because I really value my low blood pressure, and I'd kinda like to keep it that way.

[whathehell]

180. Wow.

I think Kornacki is still a tad young to "look like a dad trying to be cool in front of your friends" but, whatever.

[getagrip_already]

181. he must read this forum...

He was wearing a suit on morning joe today.

Apparently murphy brown did a riff on him in last nights episode.

[whathehell]

182. Lol

That must be it..

[USALiberal]

59. LOL, ok. Nt

[USALiberal]

57. Wow, now we attack his clothes. Very helpful! Nt

[LanternWaste]

110. Flaw #1: No one's argued it's helpful.

Flaw number two: criticizing a wardrobe is hardly an attack... unless one is simply looking for oppression wherever they can get it.

Wow, indeed, my melodramatic little friend...

[lame54]

147. Thank you

[watoos]

14. Don't be mistaken about Kornacki

just because he works for msnbc doesn't mean that he isn't a part of the right wing fake polling narrative.

msnbc is not a progressive network, it just puts a progressive slant to the right wing narrative.

I barely could watch any news anchors last night. Rachel was almost back to her old self. Nicole Wallace and Don Lemon have stayed steady in reporting the truth. With that said, most of the narratives on cable news last night were right wing.

Ari Melber did do a nice segment bringing on a cast of women running for office who actually talked about real issues.

[True Blue American]

74. I really enjoyed the women. All very articulate

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Speaking about things that matter.

The one lone Republican seemed to be more worried about her hair and face. Funny thing,I knew she was a Republican before she spoke. Her make up was much too heavy.

Is that catty of me? But Seriously,among the Republican women I know they will not leave the house without their make up. One of the funny things you learn when you go to the Y to exercise.

[lunatica]

118. I suspected she was a Republican because she never stopped smiling

I’ve seen that look on women who are part of management when management are obvious Republican slave drivers. The higher they go up the ladder the more they put on that fake smile. It’s the same smile Trump spokeswomen put on. The mask smile.

All the other women had sincere interest on their faces and reacted appropriately to the subject matter.

[Corvo Bianco]

133. This has been insightful. I 'have a problem' with

the Patriarchy and I've always felt less womanly because I don't have the skills or temperament for that sustained smile.

[k8conant]

125. There were two Republican candidates...

did you forget Kim of Pennsylvania?

[True Blue American]

128. I must have missed that one.:)

Too busy watching the one and trying to listen to those who were talking about what needs to be done.

Maybe I am a feminist but we badly need more women who have been Professionals. The Doctor,the Teacher, those who served.

[spooky3]

111. Ari did do a nice job with the panel. But I wish msnbc would

adopt a rule of no more than 4 panelists at a time. Otherwise they don’t get enough of a chance to speak.

[brooklynite]

15. This is officially the most annoying thread on DU

I really don't CARE what you think; You can turn off the TV. You can change the channel. I care that people continually complain about him...and then apparently go back to watch him some more.

[whathehell]

16. Lol..

I'm afraid I do agree.

[watoos]

21. Why single out Kornacki?

At least half of the threads here are about right wing narratives.
Cable news should be talking about real issues no matter who does the talking.

Republicans, Mitch McConnell has promised to go after Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. If Medicaid is slashed or eliminated that has a huge effect on our opioid epidemic, a heck of a lot of opioid addicts need Medicaid.

How many people know (the narrative) that the Trump tax cuts were the biggest transfer of wealth from the bottom up? Democrats should be talking about repealing them. I think it was Kamala Harris who brought this up and that was the end of it, I never heard it again.

Democrats aren't using the right strategy. The idea of building a wall was a stupid idea and Democrats should be talking about it that way. I do believe that enough people have actually talked about the wall as stupid idea that Trump himself doesn't talk about it much. He certainly doesn't talk about Mexico paying for it. Republican ranchers along the border don't want the government taking their land to build a wall, that should be a narrative that never gets discussed.

Republicans want all of the talk to be about the scary caravan. We should be laughing at Republicans who are afraid of a group of people who are fleeing violence and poverty. If our news networks were doing their jobs they would be sending reporters to the caravan and talking to the people daily and showing it on prime time.
Mattis surprised me with his answer to sending our military to the border. I think it is a slap in the face to our brave men and women to be used as pawns for Donald Trump and his Republican party.

These are just a few examples of how the corporate media controls the narrative every day. Steve Kornacki is just one pawn in our corporate controlled cable news propaganda machine. I have no problem with people calling him out. I can't wait for Nov. 6th. Vote.

[PCIntern]

23. I'm sorry...

You don’t CARE what I think?

So you’ve been here for all these years andbypu don’t care what someone else thinks?

So what’s the point of being here? Getting on a soapbox?

[USALiberal]

60. Thank you! This whole post is just whining! Nt

[True Blue American]

76. No,the thread is about

Fake hysteria.

[Quixote1818]

104. Agree

[lostnfound]

17. I'm a numbers person and would like him if they'd send him to a leftie indoctrination sabbatical

Give him 4 months assignment to
- study fascism, wealth inequality, child labor, at the hands of Chomsky, Naomi Klein,
- on the ground research on the lives of kids in the “caravan” and the kids in cages
- exposure to mourning mothers of the disappeared
- Yemen
- meet or bury all gunshot victims on a single weekend in Chicago
- lunch with Warren Buffett who might convince him of the luck and absurdity of inequality
- time with people fighting to clean up a toxic waste dump next door
- you get the idea...

“An education of the heart.” There’s a certain set of characteristic blinders I see that prevent some from seeing how interconnected and vulnerable we all are on the actions and choices of others

[brooklynite]

18. Yeah! Why can't he simply tell us things we already think?

Why do you want a "lefty" perspective on election polling?

[PCIntern]

20. I don't.

I want even-handed analysis, not propaganda disguised as trends in “numerology”.

[watoos]

30. That is a good idea.

How about we look at what is happening in Brazil, just report the facts. Republicans use propaganda to compare Democrats to Venezuela. Brazil just elected a Donald Trump clone and he is already going after working class pensions, he is consolidating the government, he will then start privatizing institutions.
This is what you get when you elect people like Donald Trump. Pinocet did the same thing in Chile and our government helped him come to power. I worked in Chile in 2002 and 2003 and I saw the results. Pinocet started out by killing or imprisoning everyone on the Left, he didn't do an analysis. He then privatized everything, he banned unions, only the rich had access to good education. We don't need anyone to do an analysis about what the result is when fascist dictators rise to power. You can call what I am about to write as being propaganda but Trump is going to turn us into Nazi Germany, into Pinocet's Chile, into what Brazil is about to become.

Vote. Vote. Vote. on Nov. 6th because this may well be the last election where our votes are actually counted fairly.

[lostnfound]

61. Where is the recommend button on your post??

I think the last time votes were counted fairly was in the 1990s...

Our party leadership does not ever talk about those fascist examples. And they should.

[Demsrule86]

41. His analysis of close races is not correct. They are within the margin of error and he adds opinion

to the mix...right wing opinion not based on facts. This sort of thing is demoralizing for voters and drives down our numbers.

[GulfCoast66]

19. What does any of that have to do with numbers crunching?

I mean those are important issues. But have nothing to do with accurately interpreting poll numbers.

I think too many people just want to hear that we are going to win everything and dislike anyone who says otherwise.

[PCIntern]

22. That's untrue and facile...

If you’re gonna do analysis then don’t color it with hypotheticals which are biased in their fundamentals and axioms

[lostnfound]

53. It's not the numbers, it's the subtle ways he spins them

He reminds me of a parent improperly coaching a kid learning to ride a bicycle. “Maybe this time you won’t fall, but every OTHER day you’ve fell. It’s what you do! Even when you start off good you mess up in the end. .... You’re going to fall! You’re going to fall! (Falls) ...Oh, you do that every time, you go too fast and then you FALL. See, you fell. Too bad you FELL. But it was really to be expected, looking back on it. You fall every time. Timmy next-door can do it, but you can’t. Oh look at Timmy zooming past you on the Segway his daddy bought him. Why can’t you be more like him?”

Deep down you know that Steve is rooting for Timmy.

[GulfCoast66]

68. Sorry but I don't see it.

But we all see things differently.

[bucolic_frolic]

26. Assume the worst and you won't be disappointed

It won't be a perfect night, but it could be very very good if things go well

[Demsrule86]

46. I never look at the worst ....I strive with all my my heart to win ...and if I lose, pick

myself up and try harder next time...after the brutal 16 election, my daughter and I marched in the DC woman's march...for the future.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

27. He reminds me of the washed up comedian at the "tote" board on a telathon

You know, trying to drum up interest and drama. He's been up all night spinning the numbers while Elvis imitators and jugglers paraded across the stage and you at home need to buy into the excitement of whether or not they're going to make their goal. Go to your phones now and call! Just think about election night coverage. The votes have all been cast. He tries to make drama out of the order they get counted in. If they count the votes from Shitkicker County before Boone City, they still add up to the same number-but oh the excitement.

[catbyte]

55. You nailed it. He should just give us the numbers without all of the editorializing.

[dem4decades]

28. I watch everything on delay and fast forward when he's on.

[Ligyron]

56. Me too, it's a gawdsend.

I usually buzz through Tweety too

[blueinredohio]

29. I'm glad to see I'm not alone in not liking Kornacki.

[Timmygoat]

45. Me too!

I thought I was the only one who could not stand him!

May I also say another thing that gets to me is when Trump - says - A lot of people are saying.....
and that tells me that - He is the only one saying!

[lunatica]

119. Your Trump observation is right on

He’s full of vague platitudes and absolute pronouncements on “alternative” facts, always said with supreme confidence in his superiority over everyone.

To him a lie is just another tool he uses in the service to himself.

[DeminPennswoods]

31. More annoying than Melber's rapper infatuation?

That's something!

Kornacki's schtik is purely for "horse race" purposes that translates into eyeballs for advertizing revenue. Don't take it seriously. Yesterday on Maddow he was talking about governor's races. With margins not much different from congressional races, the story was how Dems should do well. How does that work?

I've seen Kornacki a few times as a panelist on other MSNBC shows and he can be interesting. He's obviously an election and numbers geek.

[PCIntern]

33. You're right about Melber...

I actually have to avert my eyes
😁

[True Blue American]

38. I am hearing from others that Ari and his rapper schtick

Is not entertaining. I click it off,go back to my book.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. Add me to the list of being turned off by his "entertainment" schtick

I can do without the "Today Show" stuff in the middle of a news-related show. Particularly when he randomly attempts to force guests discussing a political issue, to engage in the repartee.

[Tarheel_Dem]

165. Add me to that list as well. I like Ari. I think he could go up against any host on tv when it....

comes to the law, and serious journalism, but your critique matches my own. I hope his show succeeds, but I was hoping his show would be much more in the vein of Rachel Maddow, instead the show winds up sounding like an audition for a late night variety show.

[BumRushDaShow]

167. Agree

I like Ari's ability to "control the room" and keep things moving. Plus his law background is especially helpful in guiding the discussions and tapping that knowledge to do follow-up questioning for the discussions.

However it becomes disconcerting when he suddenly switches gears, literally diffusing what is often a pretty serious subject to I suppose, "lighten the mood" or something. I don't think he'll ever be a Bill Maher or a Keith Olbermann, and he is in a slot that has had a high turnover of hosts the past few years (used to be Cenk, then Al Sharpton, then Ed Schultz). I get that he is trying to distinguish his show from Chris Hayes' (and even Chris' set and format have recently been altered a bit), so wonder if a more "Charlie Rose" or "Bill Moyers" style might work.

[Tarheel_Dem]

170. Rose or Moyers would be great. I don't know what Ari's numbers are, and I'm probably not his...

target demo, but I find myself FF'ing through much of the show, especially the gratuitous footage of Trump & the grinning idiots behind him at his Klan style campaign rallies. I can't stand to watch or listen to DT, and it just seems that Ari uses much more footage than is necessary to make the point. That's the reason I like Rachel so much, but then I'm guessing Rachel has a lot more editorial control over her show.

[BumRushDaShow]

171. I know Rachel spends quite a bit of time with her producers prepping for her show

particularly since she does what is essentially a 20 minute monologue at the beginning and then will bring in assorted individual guests (including exclusives) to delve deeper. Of course the past year, there has literally been insane events that have forced last-minute changes to her focus, but she generally handles that well.

On the other hand, Ari has the usual rotation of contributors/panelists discussing the latest, with an occasional exclusive. I suppose it lets him get more experience moderating the discussion, but I know MSNBC has attempted to capture a younger demographic for some time now (such as the show where we first saw Kornacki and Sippy Cup and Krystal Ball and Toure - "The Cycle", which eventually had Melber and Huntsman rotate in as others left), but that didn't really seem to catch on - maybe due to the time it aired or the hand-slaps when the discussions got too controversial. His "Throwback" stuff I suppose is sortof his version of Chris Hayes' "Thing 1/Thing 2" gimmick, although it's still a discordant shift from the political focus of the show.

[Tarheel_Dem]

174. When I tune into MSNBC, I'm not looking to be entertained, but informed. Ari's trying to be both.

It bugs me. I have a thousand channels & the internet for entertainment. Not to be repetitive, I like Ari. I've always liked him because he's smart and he's informed, but I just wish he'd drop the "schtick".

[BumRushDaShow]

175. Exactly! nt

[dem4decades]

78. Is it possible that Melber is targeting a different demographic? And succeeding?

Let's face it, TV is pretty much older people watching the news, including me I'm sorry to say. He's attempting to reach someone else, quite honestly, I'll watch and listen and hope he's getting a younger audience to view him and his show.

Though I will admit having a 30 year veteran of the Justice Department on when he starts his rapping lyrics is very awkward.

[DeminPennswoods]

153. Suppose so, but

the rappers he cites are passe'. It's like Grandpa Simpson, "I used to be with it, but what I'm with isn't it anymore.".

[Talitha]

121. Ari's fantastic in my book

- till he starts the rapper stuff... that's when I switch to CNN.

Kornacki doesn't bother me in the least - looks like he REALLY enjoys his job, know what I mean?
Yeah - he jumps around like a chipmunk on crack but TBH, his insight helps me understand things better.

[DeminPennswoods]

152. It's the histrionics that bug viewers, imho

All that jumping around, waving his arms and so on like he's hopped up on meth. Of course if he didn't do that, he'd just be like a million other calm election geeks.

[True Blue American]

34. Steve went from being a very

Likeable Host to an agitated, hysterical pundit I do not believe.

I also have to admit Rachel’s rants bordering on hysteria have turned me off, too!

I much prefer discussions. Nicolle, Ari. Larry when I can stay up late enough to watch him. Brian Williams nasal voice kills me.

To be honest I am getting sick of the Nattering Naybobs of cable news!

[Delarage]

35. I prefer John King and CNN

for election-night coverage. During some of the special elections, it seemed like they were way ahead of MSNBC.

The "Blacks for Trump" people/person, unless a white hand is holding the sign, is usually "Michael the Black Man," an apparent whack-job conspiracy theorist:

The radical fringe activist from Miami once belonged to a violent black supremacist religious cult, and he runs a handful of amateur, unintelligible conspiracy websites. He has called Barack Obama “The Beast” and Hillary Clinton a Ku Klux Klan member. Oprah Winfrey, he says, is the devil.

Most curiously, in the 1990s, he was charged, then acquitted, with conspiracy to commit two murders.

But Michael the Black Man loves President Trump.

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/23/the-strange-story-of-that-blacks-for-trump-guy-standing-behind-potus-at-his-phoenix-rally/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3aaa87657daf|

[True Blue American]

44. Don Lemon, Cuomo

At least you get news about what is really happening in the rest of the world.

MSNBC is going to fall flat after the election.

Hannity is in trouble with Fox for pushing his Erectile pill with Doctor Phil.

[FloridaBlues]

66. Have to agree with you, prefer CNN John king for election night coverage

[malaise]

67. Yep we'll be watching John King next Tuesday

Night

[BumRushDaShow]

72. John King used to be just as bad as Kornacki

although maybe not as frantic. But CNN seemed to have given birth to that touchscreen "big board" phenomena (in the 2008 election I believe). This came complete with all the frantic panning and zooming and circling geographic areas and the speculative tapping and moving of states from one political camp to the other on the screen as part of some attempt to analyze the electorate in an election.

Over the years, he has calmed down, but he had become the poster boy of this and was at one time a "rising star" (poised to perhaps displace Blitzer)... even given several of his own shows (the stints of which failed). But eventually back into the margins he went, and he has only been slowly resurfacing and given more to do.

[Snotcicles]

144. I think John King was like the Thomas Edison of the BIG BOARD. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

146. LOL

[Scoopster]

36. No way.. Stuart Varney is. N/T

[ecstatic]

40. You may have captured why he annoys me

I tune him out almost immediately, and I've blamed my irritation with him on his delivery and a sense that he's kind of phony. Seems like he has an agenda but is pretending to be neutral.

[KelleyKramer]

42. Yes, that about sums it up!

And his delivery is like listening to finger nails scraped accross a 10 foot blackboard

I would pay money for someone to dump a big bucket of ice water on him!

[samnsara]

43. i actually love watching him..

[JaneQPublic]

101. Me, too. Maybe we should start a DU "Safe Haven" Group...

...for those of us who like -- or at least can tolerate -- Kornacki.

I don't see the right-wing slant others do. No doubt for many of us who watch MSNBC's most outspoken liberal/progressive hosts, the station's few journalists who present just the facts without editorializing must seem by contrast to be spewing conservative bias.

In fact, back when SK was a host on the old afternoon show "The Cycle," he once confessed to being a member of the Young Democrats while in high school.

For all the fuss made of his frenetic on-air presentation, it's not half as bad as that of Chris "Tweety" Matthews. He's the one who forces me to switch channels.

As far as Kornacki always wearing the same outfit, Rachel has also been wearing the same basic outfit for years, but no one seems to mind that.

Here's an interesting profile on SK I found while trying to document the "Young Democrats" claim...

https://www.thewrap.com/steve-kornacki-msnbc-number-wiz-primary/

[Brainstormy]

103. I like him too

and Stephanie Rule. Must something wrong with me.

[lunatica]

120. I really like Stephanie and Ari

They ask some of the toughest questions I’ve heard and don’t put up with nonsense, and yet they’re genuine. Stephany was very agitated and cried over the treatment of the children being put in cages.

[Brainstormy]

155. I agree, and they're

better than anyone on the financial angles of issues.

[Hoyt]

137. I like him too. He's got enthusiasm and he is animated. Signed photo of Michael Dukakis on his desk

indicates he's probably a Democrat.



http://www.msnbc.com/the-cycle/some-insight-steve-kornackis-world

[qazplm135]

145. he doesn't have super rosy predictions for our side

so he sucks apparently.

He's like any other prognosticator. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong.

But the biggest thing I see him saying is the chances of getting the Senate are pretty low (correct) and the chances of getting the House are pretty high (correct). Everything else is just individual race analysis.

[BumRushDaShow]

169. Both Schmuck Toad and Tweety claim to be Democrats too

but we have seen how both of them go back-stabbing Democrats all around their studios when things start moving out of "horserace" range.

[pandr32]

142. I like him, too

He doesn't show attitude--is always pleasant. He may talk quickly, etc., but that's because he is squeezed to cover a lot. He is a little gangly looking and with his apparent "eagerness" comes across a bit like an older puppy.
We often overlook the fact that with gerrymandering and other established efforts to suppress the vote Democrats have to do better and I think Steve is well aware of it. I don't find him biased at all. He appears to be an intelligent guy.

[jerabaub]

48. kornacki

i agree kornacki has an anti-democratic party bias. i usually watch msnbc, but on election night(this tuesday)i will watch cnn's analysis
on the election projections and coverage(in addition to msnbc...precisely because of kornacki's bias). will watch cnn to balance what kornacki says. kornacki probably is a nice enough guy, but he constantly downplays democrats, and gives a rosy scenario to republicans.
i thought it was just me who thought this...but lots of others notice it too.

[Siwsan]

49. The instant his name is mentioned, I change channels

I'd rather watch an ad for hemorrhoid cream.

[Tarheel_Dem]

166. "I'd rather watch an ad for hemorrhoid cream."??

[NurseJackie]

50. I can't stand him. Does Rachel "embrace" him willingly, or by contractual obligation?

Thank goodness I only watch TRMS with 20 minutes of buffer time in the DVR!! I'll FAST FORWARD right though his "spots" on her show.

[spooky3]

113. I wonder the same. She seems to genuinely like his

Analyses.

I thought her show was really good last night, BTW.

[Gothmog]

52. I like Kornacki

[Roy Rolling]

54. Petty

Give me a break. The man's trying to do a job, so he is criticized condescendingly and pounced upon with righteous indignation? Change the channel to get your different voting analysis, don't expect MSNBC to comply with "expert" criticism.

[Cryptoad]

64. He is a Trumpster ass sucker,,,,,,,

he comes on I switch the channel......!

[gilligan]

69. Totally agree

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

70. How anyone can listen to that blabbering idiot is beyond me... he has no clue.

[gordianot]

71. Kornacki is a media equivalent of a political weatherman.

I read his shitty book The Red and Blue. He is a leading proponent of the “tribalism” political theory and that tired old “both sides do it”. This type of media neutral spin is maddening in the era of full blown Republican Fascism. He plays a number game; if Democracy were not under full assault by the most dangerous obnoxious authoritarians in American history Kornacki would be more acceptable. I compare him to the annoying as hell weatherman that goes into a media frenzy on tornado warnings. Watching this type of media hype is like gawking at car wrecks in traffic on the interstate. It takes a soulless little prick to enjoy the job.

[lunatica]

123. When he brought up that tribalism comparison it made me mad

It’s finger wagging by people who don’t understand that Trump is anathema to everything this country has claimed to stand for.

If we object to the cruel separation of children and caging them and refuse to act as if it is something that is legitimately debatable, then we must be practicing tribalism. Or if we don’t make excuses for Trump’s endless lying then we are being tribal. If we don’t agree with his treatment of our international allies we’re being tribal. I could go on and on with examples.

Kornacki is way too underqualified as a social commentator. He should stick to numbers crunching.

[calimary]

73. We call him Steve PLEEEEASE-Switch-to-Decaf Kornacki.

I’m grateful I have congenitally low blood pressure. Because he can drive me absolutely freakin’ nuts.

Solution? Only one I can think of is the same one I urge upon my husband - who’s a rabid channel-flipper as soon as the commercial breaks come on, and then gets caught up in something else instead of what we were watching:

THAT’S when you get up and take a bathroom break! OR...

Go to the kitchen and make a snack. Heat up your tea. Make another cup of coffee. Check the dog’s water bowl and refill as necessary. Go out and get the mail. Find the cat toy. Feed the fish in the fish tank. Check the hummingbird feeder. Pluck a few stray eyebrow hairs. Check the book you were reading to make sure the bookmark’s in the right place. Water the house plants. Work the crossword puzzle a little more. Check the laundry to see if it’s done yet. Add a row or two to the scarf you’re knitting. Change that lightbulb that’s burned out. Check your bank balance. Dust a few picture frames. Step outside and enjoy the garden/view/fruit tree/kid’s art on the refrigerator door (OR post the newest artwork on the refrigerator door). Check to see if the glue’s dry on that broken item you fixed a little bit earlier. That kind of thing.

[steventh]

105. ROTFL thanks for the laugh and the very good ideas

I always hit the mute button or walk out of the room when Kornacki starts his hyper-frenetic wild gesticulating. I haven't listened to him long enough to be aware of the bias that's been written about in this thread.

[True Blue American]

131. Unload the dishwasher

Dust the furniture,run the sweeper, take clothes out of the dryer.Oops, here I go!

[calimary]

162. Clean the lint trap. Let (or take) the dog out for a pee. Sort the socks. Start the pre-soak...

Or check your email. His segment is usually long enough for a quick answer to one email. Or delete a few of 'em.

[DownriverDem]

75. To each his own

I will watch MSNBC on election night. One person would not make me not watch. I also follow online at DailyKos. Sometimes I wonder whose side folks are on.

[Mr.Bill]

77. I find his act to be a little juvenile bordering on annoying,

but I never knew he was a republican or noticed any bias. Could be because I don't listen to him too seriously or hang on every word he says.

[FreepFryer]

79. Unwatchable for this reason (and not his frenetic style). He's a duplicitous shit. (n/t)

[watoos]

80. 2 things that are important in the polling in this election.

Polling is done using likely voters, and rightly so. This election, IMO, unlikely voters are going to bump up Democrats.

Statistics being used about how many R's and D's early voted don't take into account how many R's are actually voting Democratic, the Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace effect. I just don't see many Democrats switching and voting Republican.

This isn't a normal election, it's an election between democracy and fascism. There are going to be a lot of surprised people come Nov. 7th.

Vote.

[Rebl2]

83. I used

to watch him when he had a show on MSNBC and he seemed reasonable. Now I turn the channel when he comes on. Like someone said above, he needs to cut back on the caffeine. Miss the days of Tim Russert and his simple white board

[watoos]

94. There is someone who turns me off more than Kornacki,

Brian Williams. I mean I don't watch news reporters who flat out lie, Bill O was the king of cable news liars until Sean and Tucker and shoot there are too many. Brian wasn't as bad as the Fox people, but still.

[Haiti2Quebec]

85. Propaganda machine

For the next few days just turn off your TV , do last minute canvassing make sure 5 of your acquaintance or family members are voting . Once again the media let us down

[Eyeball_Kid]

87. Kornacki is like one of those assistant football coaches flailing around at the halftime pep talk.

He seems to liken himself to a rah-rah coaching staffer whom the players just want to shut up.

[George II]

88. You're late. I gave him that award about five years ago when he stole Shawn Boburg's...

...reporting work on the Bridgegate scandal and presented it as his own.

Bowburg, on NorthJersey.com, did intensive reporting almost daily on the scandal, Kornacki showed up on MSNBC with the developments without crediting Boburg for any of it.

That and his contrived, exaggerated hand gestures and carefully "tousled" hair got me to dislike him. I change channels every time he appears.

[Resist160]

91. Steve doesn't listen to what is being said on other shows.

I have MSNBC on XM on my car. Lately they have been listening to the interviews of voters (which I can't stand) but some of these voters are Rs and voting D because they don't like trumpie. One lady just said yesterday, she likes her Representative in the House but don't like what trumpie is doing. Another person said they want a system of check and balances. I truly believe there is going to be more of a blue wave than people realize. People do want a check on trumpie. One analyst said are people who are being polled really telling the truth.

[PubliusEnigma]

93. He's a dumb guy infatuated with the idea of being a numbers guy.

[FakeNoose]

95. I like the guy - sorry to disagree

All the announcers have some annoying habits - even Rachel and Lawrence. Steve has interesting insights and encyclopedic knowledge about the elections, and he does occasionally inject some humor.

Elections are mostly boring when they're not about YOUR state or district, so he really tries to engage people and keep them involved. I find this a good worthwhile thing, and I've learned a lot from Steve.

[LAS14]

97. Yeah, I look forward to his reports. Don't agree with the description in the OP. nt

[duforsure]

96. I agree

I turn the channel

[LiberalFighter]

98. Can't stand Kornacki.

Haven't for a long time.

His analysis is slanted and a real numbers guy would be more reserved and calm compared to him.

[NurseJackie]

99. Even his NAME is annoying to see... that's why I'm hiding this thread now.

But it's certainly is reassuring to see that I'm not the ONLY one who find this Log Cabin Republican to be an irritant.

[sheilahi]

100. ?

Where's Nate Silver when we need him?

[SummerSnow]

102. I turn the channel when he is on.

[Turbineguy]

106. Wing Nuts

don't seem to have such a hard time finding people to hate.

Since most of their enemies reside in their heads anyway.

[Polly Hennessey]

107. PCIntern, it took me a while to

get through the usual - “oh, the horror, someone is talking about his clothes (fair game, even his attire is annoying); he is just giving us the other side, we must always be two-sided, it’s only fair you know; why do you watch him, if you don’t like him, ad nauseum.” Now here I am down at the bottom of the pile but my little voice wants you to know that I agree ☝️ with you.

[MontanaMama]

108. I might as well pile on.

Cannot watch Kornwacky. Everything bugs me about him from his tan corduroy pants/blue button down shirt uniform to his wild gesticulations to his CLEAR repuke bias. Further...his “statistics” are pure bullshit and based in nothing. I want so much to be able to watch Rachel on election night but I fear my sanity won’t be able to take his wackadoo antics. That and I’ll constantly be swearing at the TV which is a poor example for my politically aware 13 year old son.

[PCIntern]

109. Wow!

I thought this, like so many of my posts, would sink like a stone. Fun to read all the varied viewpoints, all of which were pretty civil!

Thanks!

[LAS14]

112. Last night he explained why all six rust belt governorships might reasonably go blue.

What was wrong with that analysis?

[PCIntern]

114. He was unhappy and was sighing the entire time...

I didn’t say he was always wrong. His bias is annoying more than wrong.

[LAS14]

117. ???? He was tickled at his analysis. Weird thread. nt

[Rene]

116. so absolutely true. I can't stand him and his made up opinions

His segments aren't worth watching....they're actually dangerous personal opinions he foisting on Americans. . and doesn't he have any other clothes to wear.?

[TeamPooka]

122. He's the next Chuck Todd. Spinning numbers to help the GOP all day long. Soft spinner.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

124. No, there's still Tweety. nt

[Paladin]

130. Don't bet the long game on Tweety.

He has obvious health issues that are more and more evident on his show (coughing fits, confusion, memory lapses). I'm betting he's retired inside a year. They ought to give his time slot to Rachel.

[Me.]

158. They'll Never Move Her From Prime Time

[nolabear]

126. Well I like him. Heard him on a Sirius Progressive show this am

He was interesting, clearly not biased toward the GOP, and wasn’t hyped up at all.

I like the enthusiasm, and I can’t fathom why people here are so enraged by him, to the point of dissing his clothes FFS. It’s as though those who hate him want a bubble and if it’s threatened they want to shoot the messenger and go on living in it.

Btw he gave us a real chance.

[Paladin]

127. PERFECT description of Kornaki's technique. NOTHING Democrats do is EVER good enough.

Why MSNBC keeps his twitchy ass on staff is beyond me. Same goes for the loathsome Chuck "Both Sides Do It" Todd.

[Hekate]

129. Got on your last nerve, did he? Yeah, me too. I mute the teevee until he goes away. nt

[montanacowboy]

132. Self Loathing

I turn him off every time he comes on. He is so fucking abrasive and it's always the Dems fault no matter what.

I will NOT watch MSNBC on election night. Seeing him jump around like he has a hot poker in his pants and flailing wildly is not something I want to see on a very important somber night.

I wish they would can his ass.

[CTyankee]

134. He's fine witth me. I like that he is an openly gay pollster. He's just got his own slant on the

various races.

[Hoyt]

140. +1.

[dajoki]

136. Can't stand that guy n/t

[vercetti2021]

139. Reason I'm watching CNN on election night

You know he'll end up snorting something extra to give him a rush.

[borgesian]

148. I have no problem with him.

He literally just reports the numbers from polls, etc. That's about as unbiased as it gets. Should he just lie and say dems are ahead by 20 points in ND or wherever because that's what you want to here? I don't get the vitriol directed toward him.

[LAS14]

168. Yup, I agree. nt

[MFM008]

149. Makes me long

For the days of Chuck Todd doing the board......

[elfin]

151. Oh, just stoppit. He is adorable in his enthusiasm

Plus he is so invested in "the numbers" that it is revealing when he or the numbers fail to predict.

It is an introduction to the nitty gritty of electoral politics that while we may bemoan it, is a critical component of what the campaigns are using. So we need to know it, even if we dismiss it in favor of "charisma", "momentum' etc.

Lay off him. He is adorable. And excuse the DU out of me, but that is something that really really counts with this granny.

[FakeNoose]

154. Yes I agree

I rarely had any interest in other states' or districts' elections. But Steve K. adds enthusiasm and humor in his presentation, and I've been paying attention a lot more. This is a good thing, and DUers should realize it.

Every TV journo has annoying habits, even Rachel and Lawrence, so I think this DU thread is a little unfair.

Just sayin'

[Rhiannon12866]

161. I agree, too. He's the "numbers guy," not a pundit

He was on with Bill Maher recently, talked about his long time interest in the numbers - and Bill described him as the "numbers guy." And the anchors reporting on the elections count on him to keep them up to speed.

[eleny]

157. It's like he's somebody's brother in law who needed a job

[MontanaMama]

176. +1

That’s funny! And true!

[Me.]

160. His Most Memorable & Oft Repaeated Quote

"It's a cautionary tale...for Democrats"

[Raine]

172. I like him

and I would rather know where we stand then have another 2016 shock again.

[thegoose]

177. That's what I said

And I got flamed. "Delete your post!" "Homophobe!" "Watch something else!"

He's a plant. That is all.

[INdemo]

178. yep He is a shill a for the Repukes.

Chis Mathews asked him a couple weeks ago to name two good thing about Democrats,,he wouldn't do it.
Asked the same question about Republicans he showed his true favoritism toward the right wing idiots and went on a on Right Wing spiel.

[doc03]

179. When he comes on I change channels. He talks about polls like there is a

massive shift from one side to the other every day. Nate Silver's 538.com has a consistent chance of
Democrats taking the House at 6 out of 7 with little change for weeks. I can't wait till this bs is over.