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procon

(15,805 posts)
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:40 PM Nov 2018

Help! Pray for me!

My whole house flooded when the water heated failed while I was out of town...major disaster that ruined almost every room. I've temporarily moved in with my rabidly rightwing brother who watches Fox news 24/7... I'm losing my mind!

The constant, non stop propaganda is unimaginable --must resist!-- and now I see why impressionable people are brainwashed. Its unbearable! I have a tablet so at least I can watch MSNBC and read DU even while my poor deluded brother is mesmerized by cretins like Lou Dobbs --have you heard that idiot?-- And if I have to watch another minute of Hannity I'll go mad!

I appreciate my brother for giving me a place to stay while my house is getting repaired, but the cost is killing my brain. I'm a guest so I can't be yelling "LIAR!" Every 5 seconds while my brother sucks that stuff up like it's the gospel. You all at DU are my lifeline and the only refuge I have against the darkside of crazy Republican doublespeak. Love everyone of you that keeps posting progressive news and views!

Thanks for letting me vent...and a few good vibes for my fragile sanity would not be amiss until I can move back home.

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Help! Pray for me! (Original Post) procon Nov 2018 OP
Vibes to you, my dear procon! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2018 #1
Thank you, yes, I'm looking at earphones... Too many choices! nt procon Nov 2018 #13
you only have to spend about 11 or 12 bucks NJCher Nov 2018 #43
Headphones are the best line of defense peacebuzzard Nov 2018 #46
For those not exposed to this madness, it is hard for them to appreciate it. olegramps Nov 2018 #37
Oh dear! 2naSalit Nov 2018 #2
Very much appreciated, don't know what I'd do without DU. Nt procon Nov 2018 #14
Yikes! vercetti2021 Nov 2018 #3
Headphones, a player and podcasts blogslut Nov 2018 #4
Sending prayers your way...... chillfactor Nov 2018 #5
sending prayers for energy, strength and patience (you probably don't look good in orange!) niyad Nov 2018 #6
OMG, what a complete trainwreck with exploding oil tankers! I am so sorry for this cluster... Hekate Nov 2018 #7
Thank you! Family dynamics can be so complicated, Fox makes our relationship strained. Nt procon Nov 2018 #17
I suggest investing in a VERY good pair of radio headphones........ n/t DFW Nov 2018 #8
Yikes! I am so sorry! Rhiannon12866 Nov 2018 #9
Much appreciated! Thanks. Nt procon Nov 2018 #18
I'm sorry about your home, I went through it too. You will be okay, time passes. halobeam Nov 2018 #10
Good advice, and keep those vibes acomin', I've got several weeks to go. Nt procon Nov 2018 #20
Poor thing. Boy, do I know how you feel. Hortensis Nov 2018 #11
Funny coincidence... We've both foodies so discussing cooking has been a nice alternative to Fox. Nt procon Nov 2018 #21
Oh, me too. What a great topic to meet on. Hortensis Nov 2018 #42
Oh you poor thing. magicarpet Nov 2018 #12
LOL !!! I'd love to do that! He generally goes to bed early so I can sometimes catch Rachel reruns.n procon Nov 2018 #22
i have a roll out bed. barbtries Nov 2018 #15
Along with the headphones, I recommend a nice bottle of WINE. nt End Of The Road Nov 2018 #16
We have the same ideas! Nt procon Nov 2018 #23
House insurance won't pay for a motel room? Lars39 Nov 2018 #19
Yes, I'm covered but procon Nov 2018 #30
I understand. Lars39 Nov 2018 #31
Hugs and good vibes, procon sarge43 Nov 2018 #24
OMG, so sorry for your home disaster (been there) and the rightwing nightmare you've landed in! MoonRiver Nov 2018 #25
Insurance will pay for a hotel cpamomfromtexas Nov 2018 #26
leave the house until bedtime? Demovictory9 Nov 2018 #27
If you don't get your house fixed soon you will be lost to the dark side. Solomon Nov 2018 #28
I feel as if I'm living through the real world version of a dystopian novel like 1984.nt procon Nov 2018 #33
Get cheap headphones 🎧 to plug into your tablet. CottonBear Nov 2018 #29
oh yikes- I am so sorry! Tumbulu Nov 2018 #32
Just keep venting here. Buy some sound proof ear plugs. Hugs. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #34
Can you not get him hooked on the Food Network??? TNNurse Nov 2018 #35
May I suggest The Wizard Nov 2018 #36
Is there such a thing as a full immersion VR helmet? LOL nt procon Nov 2018 #39
I have Trumpers in my family, & I live in TrumpLand. I FEEL FOR YOU!!!! Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #38
A $20 dollar box fan works wonders. I share my house & it blocks out all noise from housemate. stuffmatters Nov 2018 #40
interesting article:I Was a Liberal Who Worked at Fox News. Here's What That Taught Me About Arguing diva77 Nov 2018 #41
Wear headphones or ear plugs while you watch MSNBC on your laptop FakeNoose Nov 2018 #44
I just laughed out loud at 'em at my wife's uncle's house... czarjak Nov 2018 #45
Listen to podcasts on earbuds. And play "Brainwashing of My Dad" for him sharedvalues Nov 2018 #47
If you're able to view podcasts I recommend Heartstrings Nov 2018 #48
Sounds like an especially brutal form of torture! world wide wally Nov 2018 #49
I've gotta agree--noise canceling headphones would be a lifesaver. catbyte Nov 2018 #50
I'm so sorry you have to put up with this madness! denvine Nov 2018 #51
Remember gilligan Nov 2018 #52
I'm trying, I love my brother, we were best pals as kids, but he's changed procon Nov 2018 #54
Absolutely. Stay strong. Someday he probably won't want Hortensis Nov 2018 #57
Earplugs Would be an Inexpensive Investment in Your Sanity dlk Nov 2018 #53
Two words. ear plugs. nt Hotler Nov 2018 #55
Excellent opportunity to see what Fox is doing.. Permanut Nov 2018 #56

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,560 posts)
1. Vibes to you, my dear procon!
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:42 PM
Nov 2018

You could get some sound-blocking earphones until you can move back into your house.

And may the repairs be quick!

NJCher

(35,644 posts)
43. you only have to spend about 11 or 12 bucks
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 05:33 PM
Nov 2018

I have been buying noise protection for years and I've spent a lot of money and I've spent a little money. Last night a friend who just spent $200 on noise reduction headphones was astonished at how quiet my $12 pair of noise protection headphones were. You don't have to spend a lot of money to get some peace and quiet.

peacebuzzard

(5,158 posts)
46. Headphones are the best line of defense
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 07:11 PM
Nov 2018

Love mine, it keeps me sane.
Highly recommended around dysfunctional people.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
37. For those not exposed to this madness, it is hard for them to appreciate it.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 04:31 PM
Nov 2018

I stopped in to wish my niece happy birthday when I was in town. They had on FOX the entire time I was there. I know that brainwashing is a bit over used, but I really don't know what else to call it. Her brother, my nephew, went away to college after starting in the local community college and soon moved out after he came home at the end of his first year away. I have to say that his father, a guy that most of us at first liked, has turned into a fat overbearing slob that thinks that he has the answer to ever problem. His son has given up on them and sadly doesn't want to even go home to visit his mother. This madness is like what took place during the Civil War. Brother against brother, families split with intense hatred with little or no hope of reconciliation. Trump is not only tearing the nation apart, his message of hatred and exclusion is destroying families. I am too damn old for this insanity. God help us. I think like many I am at a loss as to what I can do. I suppose that we will get through this like Alice at the Mad Hater's Tea Party. It isn't any les bizarre. At this advanced stage in life I really are concerned that the ship will be righted

2naSalit

(86,502 posts)
2. Oh dear!
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:43 PM
Nov 2018

Stay Strong and check in whenever you need to. One thing about DU, we're here -or at least someone is- here 27/7!

chillfactor

(7,573 posts)
5. Sending prayers your way......
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:45 PM
Nov 2018

I would suggest you get some headphones or ear plugs (not so visible) and drown out FAUX NOISE!

Hekate

(90,616 posts)
7. OMG, what a complete trainwreck with exploding oil tankers! I am so sorry for this cluster...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:47 PM
Nov 2018

...of events (you thought I was going to say something else, didn't you? ) .

I hope you have a bedroom you can retreat to -- possibly some earplugs. Your brother obviously has a kind heart and family feeling -- how sad he has fallen into FOX-universe.

Hang in there -- hope your house is habitable again soon. DU HUG -->

Rhiannon12866

(205,062 posts)
9. Yikes! I am so sorry!
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:54 PM
Nov 2018

Hang in there - my deluded brother also watches FOX News. *sigh* We've got your back!

halobeam

(4,873 posts)
10. I'm sorry about your home, I went through it too. You will be okay, time passes.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:04 PM
Nov 2018

I know that isn't much comfort to you right now, I remember living in a motel for a few months. Regarding your brother- it has to feel like everyday there is thanksgiving day w/ extended family!!! I don't envy your position right now but you are doing the right thing. Keep care of your tablet lol, and keep reaching out here and know you are sane and are grounded. It is "they" that hovers in the air, like a crow waiting for it's prey." Aggressive state of mind, let him have the negativity and let it roll off your back. Visualize the words you hear, rolling off your back... any kind of coping skill will be your best friend right now and help you get through, until you are once again home.


I'll light a candle.. keeping the good vibes for you! Let us know how you are doing.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Poor thing. Boy, do I know how you feel.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:11 PM
Nov 2018

Fwiw, even without a flooded home I'm finding politics incredibly stressful; to put it mildly, the viewpoint from the middle of everything into the future is somewhat lacking. So I've been returning to reading more about many subjects after getting too focused on politics. There are so many interesting and sometimes very positive and reassuring things happening out in the big world, and it really is helpful.

The NYT isn't always honest and reliable, but it's still a world-class newspaper, and the breadth and depth of reporting behind the rest of that row of tabs at the top of their screen, besides "politics," is awesome. Maybe chat with your brother about what a "highly toned machine" the wildebeest is or how to find the video games played years ago.

Or maybe talk about The Smithsonian Magazine's "The History of Trick Or Treating Is Weirder Than You Thought" or "This New Coating Could Help Keep Buildings Cool" or "The Best Places Around the World to See Bats (by the Millions)" -- and wonder who's going to go do that.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com

procon

(15,805 posts)
21. Funny coincidence... We've both foodies so discussing cooking has been a nice alternative to Fox. Nt
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:39 PM
Nov 2018

magicarpet

(14,143 posts)
12. Oh you poor thing.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:12 PM
Nov 2018

Block Fukx Nuz on his cable box. If you get lucky it may take him a few days to figure out how to disengage the block you put up.

Hope your home is restored and move back in-able soon.

procon

(15,805 posts)
22. LOL !!! I'd love to do that! He generally goes to bed early so I can sometimes catch Rachel reruns.n
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:42 PM
Nov 2018

Lars39

(26,108 posts)
19. House insurance won't pay for a motel room?
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:37 PM
Nov 2018

Noise cancelling headphones, never face the TV, and refusing to be in the same room if he starts discussing politics is highly recommended. I'm sorry you're having to go through all this turmoil.

procon

(15,805 posts)
30. Yes, I'm covered but
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:57 PM
Nov 2018

Its a long 32 mile round trip drive to town, and I have 2 kitties and a giant size dog that even most pet friendly hotels won't take. at least they can stay home in familiar surroundings. Also some medical equipment involved,so it would be a hassle. I've asked the ins co if they will still pay for living expenses and awaiting their decision.

My bro is a retired firefighter paramedic so he's handy to have for my health probs, and he lives just 2 blocks away so I can drive back home in just a couple of minutes to take care of my pets. I also have to deal with the various workmen and coordinate the rehab so I need to be home or prowling around Home Depotwith the contractor.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
28. If you don't get your house fixed soon you will be lost to the dark side.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:54 PM
Nov 2018

The propaganda works. That's why they do it so much. There's documentaries proving it. Good thing is, they were able to bring their loved ones back eventually by not allowing Fox news.

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
29. Get cheap headphones 🎧 to plug into your tablet.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:55 PM
Nov 2018

So sorry about your home.

Take long walks and sleep late if possible.

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
32. oh yikes- I am so sorry!
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:58 PM
Nov 2018

Yes, the propaganda is overwhelming and why we are at this place in our history. I am sorry, but I do not believe that public airwaves should be allowed to transit propaganda, or hate speak. Both of which Fox News blasts out.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
35. Can you not get him hooked on the Food Network???
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 04:16 PM
Nov 2018

I would be drinking and reading and sleeping as much as possible.

This is actually a time for thoughts and prayers. They do not fix things but it does make you feel better to know people care.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
38. I have Trumpers in my family, & I live in TrumpLand. I FEEL FOR YOU!!!!
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 04:36 PM
Nov 2018

Resist the urge to tell them the truth or try to speak logic & facts to them. THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW. They are like people in a cult. They knowingly turned their backs on truth and facts. So RESIST!

Just get along with them, for now....and VOTE!

The time to argue is later. So stifle the goodness in you, and seek refuge in your room.

I hope your insurance takes care of most of the damage. What a nightmare to happen! It could happen to anyone.

diva77

(7,638 posts)
41. interesting article:I Was a Liberal Who Worked at Fox News. Here's What That Taught Me About Arguing
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 05:11 PM
Nov 2018
Politics.

by Sally Kohn, April 10, 2018

http://time.com/5233477/sally-kohn-the-opposite-of-hate/

Snip
...instead of arguing, here’s a tip, which uses the shorthand ABC. The A stands for “affirm.” First, you find a feeling that you can genuinely affirm. In this hypothetical conversation with my aunt Lucy, I might say, “I’m also really worried about the economy right now.” Or, “I completely agree it’s important that everyone has access to a good job.” It’s important that I’m not making it up. It’s not some act or gesture. I mean it. I can really, authentically agree with that part of what Aunt Lucy is saying. So I start with that.

Next is B, for “bridge.” It does not stand for “but.” It also doesn’t stand for “however,” which is the Harvard of “buts.” It’s a bridge, a way of saying “and.” You can actually just say “and” — or “that’s why” or “actually” or “the thing is” or even “the good news is.” Anything but “but.” “But” basically invalidates whatever came before it. Like when I say to my partner, “I’m sorry, but . . .” According to those same couples counselors, that means I’m not at all sorry. Apparently, that’s what my partner thinks it means, too.

Then comes C — “convince.” This is where I put whatever I was inclined to spit out in the first place, about how comprehensive immigration reform actually raises wages and working standards for immigrant and citizen workers, or whatever point I wanted to make.
Snip

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hmmm...this might not be something to try while your brother is providing shelter for you. So sorry for your current situation - at least it's temporary!!!

FakeNoose

(32,610 posts)
44. Wear headphones or ear plugs while you watch MSNBC on your laptop
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 05:48 PM
Nov 2018

... or listen to your favorite music. The point is that headphones will block out the terrible Faux News. Your brother loves you even though you don't love his politics. So ... take the good and try to block out the rest. Good luck to you dear Procon!



sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
47. Listen to podcasts on earbuds. And play "Brainwashing of My Dad" for him
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:59 PM
Nov 2018

Yes the GOP base exists only because of propaganda.

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
48. If you're able to view podcasts I recommend
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 12:46 AM
Nov 2018

“Pod Save America”...hosted by a few of Obama’s speech writers and hilarious!

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
49. Sounds like an especially brutal form of torture!
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:36 AM
Nov 2018

Have you contacted the UN or some international court?
All I can suggest is getting a motel or something if that is possible.
Pulling for you!

denvine

(799 posts)
51. I'm so sorry you have to put up with this madness!
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:54 AM
Nov 2018

Sending positive vibes that your repairs will be completed quickly and that you survive the torture of having to listen to, ughhh, FOX Not News.

procon

(15,805 posts)
54. I'm trying, I love my brother, we were best pals as kids, but he's changed
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 12:52 PM
Nov 2018

a lot since he became radicalized. I keep mum whilst he gleefully watches all his propaganda shows -- that's quite the challenge, I must say -- but his emotional attachment to Fox personalities makes me want to weep.

I'm trying to be a good guest in hope our relationship doesn't deteriorate while I'm here. We're both too old to let something like Fox noise drive us apart, but I fear that any such rift would be too wide a gap for him to bridge.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
57. Absolutely. Stay strong. Someday he probably won't want
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 02:37 PM
Nov 2018

to remember his deep commitment to what's happening now, may even end up remembering it very differently.

Permanut

(5,593 posts)
56. Excellent opportunity to see what Fox is doing..
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 02:31 PM
Nov 2018

I watch periodically to see for myself what the fascist cult is up to, but I can only take about a half hour a time.

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