Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:08 PM Nov 2018

This is a bombshell.

Newsweek reports that leaked US military assessment documents conclude about Trump's border invasion crisis: no terrorists, no infiltrators, and only a small percentage of the immigrants will reach the border. The reporter who broke the story said that the largest number of senior officers believe that sending the 15,000 soldiers to the border is politically motivated, and that it is a waste of time and money especially given that the number exceeds the size of our entire force in Afghanistan.

The story is here: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-migrant-caravan-border-troops-1196855

79 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
This is a bombshell. (Original Post) kstewart33 Nov 2018 OP
RMS just coered it too. 2naSalit Nov 2018 #1
This abuse of our military C_U_L8R Nov 2018 #2
Great point-he won't protect our election but will send troops to the border. L Pepsidog Nov 2018 #25
Should be ck4829 Nov 2018 #48
Yes! Using our soldiers as extras in political propaganda and Hortensis Nov 2018 #67
Looters with MAGA hats C_U_L8R Nov 2018 #68
In this case, I'm tempted to wish they could. Hortensis Nov 2018 #70
Who could have seen that coming? Bob Loblaw Nov 2018 #3
People in the caravan underpants Nov 2018 #4
Exactly, watoos Nov 2018 #10
I've gotta think that this will just about finish Mattis. Bleacher Creature Nov 2018 #5
Yeah, I was upset with Mattis, watoos Nov 2018 #14
General James "Mad Dog" Mattis not nutty enough for you? ZZenith Nov 2018 #42
He's a steady hand dsp3000 Nov 2018 #43
What part of "Mad Dog" don't you get? ZZenith Nov 2018 #44
I am not homegirl Nov 2018 #58
Glad we aren't arguing, but if you google any of the quotes ZZenith Nov 2018 #59
Mattis homegirl Nov 2018 #73
He slaughtered Iraqis malaise Nov 2018 #56
Thank you. ZZenith Nov 2018 #60
I had a nephew in the middle of that malaise Nov 2018 #61
Some around here are so quick to forget. ZZenith Nov 2018 #63
Forget is bad enough but malaise Nov 2018 #64
The major reason that Trump admires him. They are both sick. olegramps Nov 2018 #65
Yep malaise Nov 2018 #69
Exactly. eom littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #75
A former general who now is a regular on Fox is what I hear Pepsidog Nov 2018 #27
If he doesn't stand up on this exboyfil Nov 2018 #51
Trump has lost the DoD... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #6
Actually he lost them a long time ago. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #11
His doctor, Admiral Sycophant. keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #21
not high ranking, exactly shanny Nov 2018 #28
Actually his name was Ronnie Jackson. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #37
Just saying, though... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #54
When Trump orders soldiers to shoot rock throwing kids he crossed the line. olegramps Nov 2018 #66
I think you're right, Wounded Bear. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #79
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #7
leaks are our best protection from this monstrous assault on the country by the WH. nt Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #8
15,000 troops moved to a ''non-threat'' for political purposes. YOHABLO Nov 2018 #9
The report also stated watoos Nov 2018 #16
Yes, and women and children in this caravan. Pathetic repugs are going way too far. nt SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #23
Millions wasted on political theater workinclasszero Nov 2018 #17
This is what I kept saying. There was never a "caravan" Recursion Nov 2018 #12
The report that was leaked watoos Nov 2018 #19
talk radio made it a caravan and trump rides limbaugh certainot Nov 2018 #40
Ditto n/t malaise Nov 2018 #62
I mean cilla4progress Nov 2018 #13
" from two different Defense Department sources" lindysalsagal Nov 2018 #15
Mattis is odds on favorite to have written the anonymous op-ed Pepsidog Nov 2018 #29
Other than Javanka ck4829 Nov 2018 #49
You know the forces going there tinymontgomery Nov 2018 #18
Guarding sand and rocks. The media will be there covering it all. lindysalsagal Nov 2018 #26
Political theater. Our troops deserve better. n/t Beartracks Nov 2018 #20
+1 ck4829 Nov 2018 #50
Look on the good side - 15,000 angry troops will never vote for the GOP again FakeNoose Nov 2018 #22
Or their friends and families. Or navy, af or marines. This fool is so bad, he loses the military... lindysalsagal Nov 2018 #24
short-term gains, ignoring long-term costs shanny Nov 2018 #30
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2018 #31
Breaking news! A Republican lied. sharedvalues Nov 2018 #32
Report it to the government Fraud, Waste and Abuse Hotline eom tikka Nov 2018 #33
Join with them as they arrive.... RobertDevereaux Nov 2018 #34
"Operation Faithful Patriot" Who thinks up these names? NBachers Nov 2018 #35
Political appointees. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #38
I vote for "Operation Dumb as a Bag of Rocks." (nt) klook Nov 2018 #77
All this to put on a play for the benefit of the deplorables The Genealogist Nov 2018 #36
Mattis has egg on his face. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2018 #39
Just another phony PR stunt duforsure Nov 2018 #41
15,000 props democrank Nov 2018 #45
k and r Achilleaze Nov 2018 #46
K&R ck4829 Nov 2018 #47
My hope for these refugees is.... KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2018 #52
Now, if ONLY the MSM would pound this many times a day. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #53
Shocker awesomerwb1 Nov 2018 #55
From Rachel Gothmog Nov 2018 #57
This is how every tin pot tyrant has ever acted. Texin Nov 2018 #71
Facts, Schmacts...the Trump Lemmings only have ears for their brain-addled master. n/t libdem4life Nov 2018 #72
So trump really is a lying sack of $hit Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #74
Are they Seabees? Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #76
Only a MAGAT would believe otherwise. SergeStorms Nov 2018 #78

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
67. Yes! Using our soldiers as extras in political propaganda and
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 01:50 PM
Nov 2018

Trump's latest reality series episodes is profoundly insulting to them, as well as being a grave misuse of power.

I read in Army Times, btw, that deployed soldiers are taking care that the jerks posturing as militia (@200 already at the border) aren't able to steal their equipment, as apparently happened before.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. In this case, I'm tempted to wish they could.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 01:58 PM
Nov 2018

Would love to hear what some of our troops think of them, regardless of their politics.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
10. Exactly,
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:47 PM
Nov 2018

It isn't a bombshell, it is common sense.
I was just a bit pissed off that Mattis covered for Trump when he said the military doesn't do stunts. This report sure makes it look like a political stunt when the biggest concern is right wing posses stealing the military's equipment.

If we're going to waste tax payer dollars why not have a parade down at the border while we wait for the migrants to arrive?

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
5. I've gotta think that this will just about finish Mattis.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:27 PM
Nov 2018

I'm terrified to think of which Trump toadie will replace him.

ZZenith

(4,121 posts)
42. General James "Mad Dog" Mattis not nutty enough for you?
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 01:25 AM
Nov 2018

The man who will NEVER be able to wash the blood of innocent Iraqi civilians off his hands?

That Mattis not a complete nut job?

dsp3000

(483 posts)
43. He's a steady hand
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 01:57 AM
Nov 2018

He understands the value of our allies around the world. He's the only sane member on the cabinet.

ZZenith

(4,121 posts)
44. What part of "Mad Dog" don't you get?
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 03:28 AM
Nov 2018

‘It’s quite fun to shoot them, you know. It’s a hell of a hoot. It’s fun to shoot some people.’

‘There are some people who think you have to hate them in order to shoot them. I don’t think you do.’

- Mattis



He may be the “least insane” of that miserable lot but make no mistake- he’s still quite insane, else Trump would not have picked him.

homegirl

(1,428 posts)
58. I am not
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:00 AM
Nov 2018

arguing with you but your post would be more effective if you cited a source for the quote.


ZZenith

(4,121 posts)
59. Glad we aren't arguing, but if you google any of the quotes
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:25 AM
Nov 2018

you will come up with all the sources you need. They are rather infamous and at the time he spoke them they caused a great deal of disgust amongst decent humans.

homegirl

(1,428 posts)
73. Mattis
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 03:23 PM
Nov 2018

9 unforgettable quotes by James Mattis - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com / blogs / donald-trump-administration / 2016 / 12 / james-mattis-quotes-232097 - 212k - similar pages
Dec 1, 2016 ... Trump told The New York Times that he was ?surprised? when Mattis ... 'It's quite fun to shoot them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people.' ... And: ?I feel sorry for every son of a bitch that doesn't get to serve with you.? ... ' There are some people who think you have to hate them in order to ...

ZZenith

(4,121 posts)
60. Thank you.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:27 AM
Nov 2018

Insane war criminal is an insane war criminal and I will dutifully correct anyone saying otherwise.

malaise

(268,931 posts)
61. I had a nephew in the middle of that
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:42 AM
Nov 2018

Fucking illegal war and occupation.
There are too many war criminals parading as model citizens.

ZZenith

(4,121 posts)
63. Some around here are so quick to forget.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:51 AM
Nov 2018

We have war criminals in our society that have heretofore escaped justice. We cannot look forward until we’ve adequately dealt with the past.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
51. If he doesn't stand up on this
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 09:09 AM
Nov 2018

Then what good is he anyway. He could be the chink in the armor to get Trump removed if he did stand on principle and make a public statement after he is fired for not going along with it.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
11. Actually he lost them a long time ago.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:48 PM
Nov 2018

But, it is in keeping with practice that the Pentagon does not comment on political matters. There are very few high ranking members of any of the services that support trmp.

It's just not who we are.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
37. Actually his name was Ronnie Jackson.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 12:24 AM
Nov 2018

He was an abusive, pill-popping alcoholic. It's not uncommon for career-climbing doctors in uniform to make lower-star rank. But Jackson was an embarrassment to the NAVY.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
54. Just saying, though...
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 09:56 AM
Nov 2018

if they're starting to leak shit, it means that they are really getting fed up.

Disciplined military folks will generally obey orders, even unpopular ones, and will seldom grouse publicly about them. I take this as a bit of a sign.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
66. When Trump orders soldiers to shoot rock throwing kids he crossed the line.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 01:44 PM
Nov 2018

Every soldier should and must refuse this as an amoral order and every unit commander from the top down must condemn it as a violation of the oath.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
79. I think you're right, Wounded Bear.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:32 PM
Nov 2018

Upper level military folks not known for this. But I think they've been fed up for some time now. Given that trmp is treating them like his private little toys. Remember when he said, "My military . . . " I remember thinking, oh, now we all belong to YOU ??

Your meme - USMC - Semper Fi, Sir.

Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
16. The report also stated
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:56 PM
Nov 2018

that from past history only about 20% of the caravan will make it to the border. If we use the high estimate of 7,000 migrants that means we will have deployed 15,000 soldiers to confront 1,400 migrants.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
17. Millions wasted on political theater
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:57 PM
Nov 2018

The incoming democratic House needs to hold hearings on this HS ASAP!

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. This is what I kept saying. There was never a "caravan"
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:51 PM
Nov 2018

It's the normal density of migrant traffic across Mexico. Probably half of them will make it to the US border, and 3500 isn't even noise in a busy place like San Diego or Brownsville.

The rate of migration is pretty steady, and migrants naturally bunch up at defiles like border crossings and rivers.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
40. talk radio made it a caravan and trump rides limbaugh
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 12:38 AM
Nov 2018

and trump said the words "national emergency"

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
15. " from two different Defense Department sources"
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:54 PM
Nov 2018
Newsweek obtained the operational planning documents earlier this week from two different Defense Department sources that have direct knowledge of U.S. Northern Command's mission on the southern U.S. border.


So, DOD is begging the world to stop the monster from destroying us from the inside.

In a normal year, this would be a catastrophe.

But this year, it's going to be, " oh, yeah. trump being trump. Yawn." and all of those soldiers will be guarding sand and rocks while missing their families and jobs.

I hope every news station and all the blogs will be there 24/7 covering nothing: Wasting the money and our used-to-be-good name.

tinymontgomery

(2,584 posts)
18. You know the forces going there
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 10:58 PM
Nov 2018

You know the forces going there being yanked from their
homes for a bullshit operation with no return date.

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
26. Guarding sand and rocks. The media will be there covering it all.
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:15 PM
Nov 2018

He'll run around trying to get them to adore him. All they'll do is stand at attention if directed to.

It remains to be seen if they'll brown nose the fool. I certainly hope not.

Wonder what Kelly thinks of this abuse?

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
22. Look on the good side - 15,000 angry troops will never vote for the GOP again
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:09 PM
Nov 2018

And of course, it's not just men either. All those men and women serving in the military can see what a charade this is. Add their spouses and families, and that's quite a number of people who will never vote for Trump. I hope the media hammers this.

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
24. Or their friends and families. Or navy, af or marines. This fool is so bad, he loses the military...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:13 PM
Nov 2018

And yet the gop sits around allowing it all to happen.

RobertDevereaux

(1,856 posts)
34. Join with them as they arrive....
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:30 PM
Nov 2018

Weeks from now, as the asylum seekers near the border, we need hundreds of us to join them in those final miles.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
36. All this to put on a play for the benefit of the deplorables
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:44 PM
Nov 2018

How many millions of dollars spent on this absurd piece of theater, designed only to feed the hatred of the deplorables in hopes they will vote for Republicans next week? And Republicans shriek like banshees if a poor person gets a stomach full of food from government money. How many starving children can you feed with the money that will be flushed down the drain? How much medicine for sick people who have to choose between medicine and food? How many doctor visits? How many winter coats for people who have none? How many months rent for people who can barely scrape together enough to keep a roof over their heads for another month?

But somehow there is always money for bullshit like this. And taxpayer funded golf trips to His Highness's own golf course. And $95,000 overnight stays for Her Highness Melanie.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
39. Mattis has egg on his face.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 12:34 AM
Nov 2018

He covered for Trumpy and "legitimized" the force buildup, saying that the military never do "stunts". This one's a stunt, and the leaked assessment verifies that. Now, Trumpy's "magic" has now touched Mattis, and he'll have to resign at the earliest opening. Mattis' credentials and now his credibility can be openly questioned. IOW, his credibility just got buggered.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
41. Just another phony PR stunt
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 12:40 AM
Nov 2018

Using hate and fear to promote their propaganda with . This is backfiring on trump and the gop causing many more to run away from them . The American people aren't buying their propaganda any more, and showing up at the polls voting against them now for it. Lets hope they keep it up.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
52. My hope for these refugees is....
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 09:14 AM
Nov 2018

that any sizable groups break apart south of the border, divide up among the border crossings, and temporarily assimilate into the local populace. Then, they can slowly apply for refugee status in the normal fashion and they'll hardly be noticed.

In other words, dissolve the "caravan" so it can no longer be a talking point.

That way, Drumph can lie and claim a bigly victory, no one will get hurt and the migrants can be safe....

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
53. Now, if ONLY the MSM would pound this many times a day.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 09:44 AM
Nov 2018

But no, they would rather try to keep that 30 percentile racists by showing the orange terrorist in the WH spewing forth his lies.

Texin

(2,594 posts)
71. This is how every tin pot tyrant has ever acted.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 02:55 PM
Nov 2018

The military is theirs to order around at their whim and fancy. But sometimes that will provoke a military coup by the generals. Keep pushing Shitler.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
78. Only a MAGAT would believe otherwise.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 06:39 PM
Nov 2018

That's what Trump's entire "presidency" has been about, pleasing his MAGATs.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»This is a bombshell.