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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is a bombshell.
Newsweek reports that leaked US military assessment documents conclude about Trump's border invasion crisis: no terrorists, no infiltrators, and only a small percentage of the immigrants will reach the border. The reporter who broke the story said that the largest number of senior officers believe that sending the 15,000 soldiers to the border is politically motivated, and that it is a waste of time and money especially given that the number exceeds the size of our entire force in Afghanistan.
The story is here: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-migrant-caravan-border-troops-1196855
2naSalit
(86,538 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)should be enough for impeachment
(if Republicans ever come to their senses)
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Trump's latest reality series episodes is profoundly insulting to them, as well as being a grave misuse of power.
I read in Army Times, btw, that deployed soldiers are taking care that the jerks posturing as militia (@200 already at the border) aren't able to steal their equipment, as apparently happened before.
C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)They shoot looters, don't they?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Would love to hear what some of our troops think of them, regardless of their politics.
Bob Loblaw
(1,900 posts)nt
underpants
(182,772 posts)"Well that sucks for them. At least I'm here with my family"
It isn't a bombshell, it is common sense.
I was just a bit pissed off that Mattis covered for Trump when he said the military doesn't do stunts. This report sure makes it look like a political stunt when the biggest concern is right wing posses stealing the military's equipment.
If we're going to waste tax payer dollars why not have a parade down at the border while we wait for the migrants to arrive?
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)I'm terrified to think of which Trump toadie will replace him.
watoos
(7,142 posts)but I'd rather he stayed on. Trump is liable to appoint some nut job.
ZZenith
(4,121 posts)The man who will NEVER be able to wash the blood of innocent Iraqi civilians off his hands?
That Mattis not a complete nut job?
dsp3000
(483 posts)He understands the value of our allies around the world. He's the only sane member on the cabinet.
ZZenith
(4,121 posts)Its quite fun to shoot them, you know. Its a hell of a hoot. Its fun to shoot some people.
There are some people who think you have to hate them in order to shoot them. I dont think you do.
- Mattis
He may be the least insane of that miserable lot but make no mistake- hes still quite insane, else Trump would not have picked him.
arguing with you but your post would be more effective if you cited a source for the quote.
ZZenith
(4,121 posts)you will come up with all the sources you need. They are rather infamous and at the time he spoke them they caused a great deal of disgust amongst decent humans.
9 unforgettable quotes by James Mattis - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com / blogs / donald-trump-administration / 2016 / 12 / james-mattis-quotes-232097 - 212k - similar pages
Dec 1, 2016 ... Trump told The New York Times that he was ?surprised? when Mattis ... 'It's quite fun to shoot them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people.' ... And: ?I feel sorry for every son of a bitch that doesn't get to serve with you.? ... ' There are some people who think you have to hate them in order to ...
malaise
(268,931 posts)steadily. In a just world he and others would be in a military prison.
ZZenith
(4,121 posts)Insane war criminal is an insane war criminal and I will dutifully correct anyone saying otherwise.
malaise
(268,931 posts)Fucking illegal war and occupation.
There are too many war criminals parading as model citizens.
ZZenith
(4,121 posts)We have war criminals in our society that have heretofore escaped justice. We cannot look forward until weve adequately dealt with the past.
malaise
(268,931 posts)forgive is even worse
olegramps
(8,200 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,632 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Then what good is he anyway. He could be the chink in the armor to get Trump removed if he did stand on principle and make a public statement after he is fired for not going along with it.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)kind of surprised it took this long.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)But, it is in keeping with practice that the Pentagon does not comment on political matters. There are very few high ranking members of any of the services that support trmp.
It's just not who we are.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)nominally so, but not a mover and shaker in military hierarchy
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)He was an abusive, pill-popping alcoholic. It's not uncommon for career-climbing doctors in uniform to make lower-star rank. But Jackson was an embarrassment to the NAVY.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)if they're starting to leak shit, it means that they are really getting fed up.
Disciplined military folks will generally obey orders, even unpopular ones, and will seldom grouse publicly about them. I take this as a bit of a sign.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Every soldier should and must refuse this as an amoral order and every unit commander from the top down must condemn it as a violation of the oath.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Upper level military folks not known for this. But I think they've been fed up for some time now. Given that trmp is treating them like his private little toys. Remember when he said, "My military . . . " I remember thinking, oh, now we all belong to YOU ??
Your meme - USMC - Semper Fi, Sir.
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Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)that from past history only about 20% of the caravan will make it to the border. If we use the high estimate of 7,000 migrants that means we will have deployed 15,000 soldiers to confront 1,400 migrants.
SWBTATTReg
(22,112 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The incoming democratic House needs to hold hearings on this HS ASAP!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's the normal density of migrant traffic across Mexico. Probably half of them will make it to the US border, and 3500 isn't even noise in a busy place like San Diego or Brownsville.
The rate of migration is pretty steady, and migrants naturally bunch up at defiles like border crossings and rivers.
watoos
(7,142 posts)estimated that 20% of the caravan will reach our border.
certainot
(9,090 posts)and trump said the words "national emergency"
malaise
(268,931 posts)cilla4progress
(24,726 posts)OBVIOUS!
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)Newsweek obtained the operational planning documents earlier this week from two different Defense Department sources that have direct knowledge of U.S. Northern Command's mission on the southern U.S. border.
So, DOD is begging the world to stop the monster from destroying us from the inside.
In a normal year, this would be a catastrophe.
But this year, it's going to be, " oh, yeah. trump being trump. Yawn." and all of those soldiers will be guarding sand and rocks while missing their families and jobs.
I hope every news station and all the blogs will be there 24/7 covering nothing: Wasting the money and our used-to-be-good name.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)ck4829
(35,056 posts)tinymontgomery
(2,584 posts)You know the forces going there being yanked from their
homes for a bullshit operation with no return date.
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)He'll run around trying to get them to adore him. All they'll do is stand at attention if directed to.
It remains to be seen if they'll brown nose the fool. I certainly hope not.
Wonder what Kelly thinks of this abuse?
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)And of course, it's not just men either. All those men and women serving in the military can see what a charade this is. Add their spouses and families, and that's quite a number of people who will never vote for Trump. I hope the media hammers this.
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)And yet the gop sits around allowing it all to happen.
shanny
(6,709 posts)that's our GOPee (i.e. not just tRump)
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)tikka
(762 posts)RobertDevereaux
(1,856 posts)Weeks from now, as the asylum seekers near the border, we need hundreds of us to join them in those final miles.
NBachers
(17,107 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)klook
(12,154 posts)The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)How many millions of dollars spent on this absurd piece of theater, designed only to feed the hatred of the deplorables in hopes they will vote for Republicans next week? And Republicans shriek like banshees if a poor person gets a stomach full of food from government money. How many starving children can you feed with the money that will be flushed down the drain? How much medicine for sick people who have to choose between medicine and food? How many doctor visits? How many winter coats for people who have none? How many months rent for people who can barely scrape together enough to keep a roof over their heads for another month?
But somehow there is always money for bullshit like this. And taxpayer funded golf trips to His Highness's own golf course. And $95,000 overnight stays for Her Highness Melanie.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)He covered for Trumpy and "legitimized" the force buildup, saying that the military never do "stunts". This one's a stunt, and the leaked assessment verifies that. Now, Trumpy's "magic" has now touched Mattis, and he'll have to resign at the earliest opening. Mattis' credentials and now his credibility can be openly questioned. IOW, his credibility just got buggered.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Using hate and fear to promote their propaganda with . This is backfiring on trump and the gop causing many more to run away from them . The American people aren't buying their propaganda any more, and showing up at the polls voting against them now for it. Lets hope they keep it up.
democrank
(11,093 posts)in Trump's next theatrical production.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)ck4829
(35,056 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)that any sizable groups break apart south of the border, divide up among the border crossings, and temporarily assimilate into the local populace. Then, they can slowly apply for refugee status in the normal fashion and they'll hardly be noticed.
In other words, dissolve the "caravan" so it can no longer be a talking point.
That way, Drumph can lie and claim a bigly victory, no one will get hurt and the migrants can be safe....
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)But no, they would rather try to keep that 30 percentile racists by showing the orange terrorist in the WH spewing forth his lies.
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Texin
(2,594 posts)The military is theirs to order around at their whim and fancy. But sometimes that will provoke a military coup by the generals. Keep pushing Shitler.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Bc I could see them getting orders to build a wall while they're standing around.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)That's what Trump's entire "presidency" has been about, pleasing his MAGATs.