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Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 06:55 AM Nov 2018

Ok I understand insider trading in stock market

But

Why is it okay for so called stock market "analyst's" to fear monger and lie? Is it because they are not directly involved with the market?

Just heard one on fox promote loss of house to democrats could lead to a crash. My fave was her saying market has rallied every single day of trumps presidency

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Ok I understand insider trading in stock market (Original Post) Watchfoxheadexplodes Nov 2018 OP
Uh. Then why are the markets flat YTD? Roland99 Nov 2018 #1
They're Actually Down 0.78% YTD ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #7
Where did you come up with that number? The markets are up YTD. onenote Nov 2018 #14
My Fault! ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #15
I suspect that most stock trading is either insiders or rampartc Nov 2018 #2
Insider trading is based on having "material nonpublic information" unblock Nov 2018 #3
You cannot trust the cable pundits at all. BSdetect Nov 2018 #4
My question is why do any of them have jobs? Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #5
not entirely true. unblock Nov 2018 #11
We will Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #13
f**king so-called analysts on TV can say anything they want, and they are never held accountable still_one Nov 2018 #6
And They're Wrong A Lot ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #8
Absolutely. Most of it is bullshit. still_one Nov 2018 #9
K&R ck4829 Nov 2018 #10
I would never believe any "market analyst" on Faux News FakeNoose Nov 2018 #12

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
7. They're Actually Down 0.78% YTD
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 07:43 AM
Nov 2018

Every day rally? That's so dumb i can even laugh at the stupidity of it.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
14. Where did you come up with that number? The markets are up YTD.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 10:07 AM
Nov 2018

No, the market hasn't rallied every day. But its not down .78% YTD. It's up, both YTD and over 12 months:

Dow: YTD increase (Jan 2 - Nov. 1): 2.24% 12 mo. increase (Nov.2 2017 - Nov. 1, 2018): 7.9%
NASDAQ: YTD increase:6.1% 12 mo. increase 10.7%
S & P: YTD increase 1.67% 12 mo. increase 6.2%

The YTD increases in the Dow and S & P, through yesterday, were quite weak, but were gains, not losses. The NASDAQ, while down from its highs earlier in the year is still showing a healthy YTD and 12 mo increase.


ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
15. My Fault!
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 11:48 AM
Nov 2018

I had the chart on my phone set to to the middle of March. I thought i had it set for a year.

March 16 to the end of October it went down 0.78%

rampartc

(5,403 posts)
2. I suspect that most stock trading is either insiders or
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 07:06 AM
Nov 2018

People who think they are insiders.

The "economic reporters" like Stuart varney and Kramer are really just stock salesmen. Their job is to get their viewers to buy what their sponsors want to sell. (Or to tell people to sell what their sponsors want to buy.

Do you ever wonder how they know that "stocks fell slightly on the news that the Fed might raise interest rates" is any more than an opinion? Or a hope?

unblock

(52,196 posts)
3. Insider trading is based on having "material nonpublic information"
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 07:25 AM
Nov 2018

Analysis or predictions based on publicly available information has nothing to do with insider trading.

those who tout investments should disclose their own personal positions. Otherwise, they may be accused of manipulation. However, this relates to individual investments rather than the entire market. People are presumed to not have the power to manipulate the entire market.

Most tv shows have a disclaimer somewhere saying what they air are just opinions (of the individuals they air, not opinions of the broadcasting company) and you should consult your investment advisor.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
4. You cannot trust the cable pundits at all.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 07:27 AM
Nov 2018

Cramer is a known liar re his admission of spreading Apple rumors.

Remember when John Stewart grilled him? Worth a Youtube search.

My portfolio is up 38% compared to S&P at 17%.



Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. My question is why do any of them have jobs?
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 07:40 AM
Nov 2018

They offer nothing more than their opinions (just like most Cable infotainment channels) between ads for drugs we never knew we needed.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
11. not entirely true.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 08:00 AM
Nov 2018

they offer explanations of what happened. some of that is guesswork or even b.s. (on the part of themselves and/or their sources on wall street), but they do offer some insights at least.

they're not always making predictions, but when they do, yeah, their track record is not at all good. i think it's been shown that you can reliably beat the market by doing the exact opposite of what they recommend on cnbc.

many people have no clue as to how to invest and have a craving to at least hear some opinions, even if they don't act on them.

unfortunately, many people do....

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
13. We will
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 09:33 AM
Nov 2018

have to agree to disagree. I have watched some of them in the past and find it to be nothing more than infotainment to fill air time between the drug ads.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
6. f**king so-called analysts on TV can say anything they want, and they are never held accountable
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 07:42 AM
Nov 2018

if they are wrong

If you want good reporting on Wall Street, I highly recommend Bloomberg. Yes they will have analysts on there that spew BS, but they will present a diversity of sides. However, I would say the majorty of coverage on Bloomberg is news, either business or otherwise, and without a political agenda

As far as the analyst the OP referred to it is pure R/W propaganda. The market has never been in such a disarray since the economic implossion in 2000.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
8. And They're Wrong A Lot
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 07:45 AM
Nov 2018

Mostly because they don't have any idea what they're doing. If they did, they would be Warren Buffett and he'd be the one on TV hawking stocks they hope are good because some other dude that isn't Warren told them so.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
12. I would never believe any "market analyst" on Faux News
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 08:03 AM
Nov 2018

They're all right-wing shills, despite their deceptive titles. They all use fear mongering to keep the sheep in line.
Just sayin'

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