Now they're saying on MSNBC that people within the Gillum ranks are saying

[Baitball Blogger]

that the count is tightening and might be heading for a recount. Bill Nelson's group feel they're already there.

[Iliyah]

1. K & R

[Honeycombe8]

2. I hope I hope I hope I hope.

Some guy said recounts rarely change results, but we should fight this seat. If a recount is legitimate, we should insist on it. Remember Gore v Bush!

[lark]

32. Oh please, oh please, oh please.

Let there be a recount, give hope a chance!! There are tons of provisional ballots which could change the picture, give people the 3 days to fix them mandated by FL law, then count again.

[MineralMan]

3. Remember Al Franken. A statewide recount that lasted

for months finally put him in the Senate. It can happen. People shouldn't give up until every vote is property counted and checked.

[stopbush]

5. But as David Jolly pointed out in that MSNBC segment, recounts almost never change

the results.

IIRC, Al Franken was declared the winner early on, but Rs held up seating him forever as the recount took place. It’s not like Norm Coleman was declared the winner and that the recount changed the outcome.

[MineralMan]

11. You're correct on that. When the difference is in the tens of thousands

of votes, the outcome rarely changes. There just aren't enough potential gains to change things that much, unless there are serious errors in the count or a lot of ballots weren't counted.

Still, I encourage recounts in close elections. It is a way of keeping election officials more honest, at least.

[FakeNoose]

60. Al Franken's victory was contested by Norm Coleman, his opponent

Franken was declared the winner about a month after the election, but Coleman demanded additional recounts and caused other delays. Franken would have been seated in the Senate by early February, but instead it wasn't until June or July of 2010.

[MadDAsHell]

61. Totally agree with you. Recounts make sense in close elections. nt

[Blue_true]

27. If the late mailins went heavily to Gillum and Nelson, the result can flip.

There could be literally 200,000-400,000 uncounted votes when last minute mailins and provisional votes are taken into account. My guess (based upon reading lots of DUERS that say they drop their ballots into the Mail on Election Day or the day before), an overwhelming number of those votes are likely blue.

[qazplm135]

38. no, they aren't

they are probably 50-50 because the rest of the mail-in vote was roughly 50-50.

Why would the late ones be "overwhelmingly" blue??

[Hassin Bin Sober]

49. I thought Coleman was ahead going in to recount. 700 is my recollection.

And Coleman declared himself the winner when he had no business doing so.

Recounts usually favor us due to our poorer and younger voters who are less experienced.

But I don’t see how we overcome 10,000 in a recount. Hundreds yes, but not thousands.

[questionseverything]

66. you are correct, coleman "won" the count election day

United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The 2008 United States Senate election in Minnesota took place on November 4, 2008. After a legal battle lasting over eight months, the Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party (DFL) candidate, Al Franken, defeated Republican incumbent Norm Coleman in one of the closest elections in the history of the Senate. Franken took his oath of office on July 7, 2009, more than half a year after the end of Coleman's term on January 3, 2009.[1]

When the initial count was completed on November 18, Franken was trailing Coleman by 215 votes.[2][3] The close margin triggered a mandatory recount.[4][5] After reviewing ballots that had been challenged during the recount and counting 953 wrongly rejected absentee ballots, the State Canvassing Board officially certified the recount results with Franken holding a 225-vote lead.[6][7][8]

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there are still lots of ab ballots out....nearly a million by one source I read today so it is entirely possible the seat could be flipped

[Hassin Bin Sober]

68. I followed that recount literally ballot by ballot.

Fuckhead Coleman started challenging perfectly good ballots to run up his score and make it look like Al was “stealing” the election. Challenged ballots were posted online so you could see how ridiculous Coleman’s team was acting. When a ballot was challenged it was deducted from the unofficial count until it could be adjudicated.

God I hate these people.

[zonkers]

53. Sorry but it s Florida. Anything can happen.

[grantcart]

12. But only a few hundred flipped. As far as I know no recount has flipped thousands of votes

[MineralMan]

20. I agree. I still support recounts, though.

They are one way to discover election fraud. The threat of that tends to keep election officials wary of detectable violations of election laws. I'm for recounts. But, I don't expect them to change outcomes, except in very rare circumstances.

In Georgia, for example, vote count irregularities and other shenanigans are far from being unlikely. Kemp, himself, might be behind some of them. I think a thorough recount and investigation is in order there.

In other places, I at least want to see 100% of votes counted and verified before accepting the results. There's a reason that the final tally isn't recorded until some time after election day. I want all processed completed.

[grantcart]

22. Agree, we shouldn't get our hopes is all

[MineralMan]

24. Yeah, I never do. I've seen a lot of recounts

in my lifetime. Few ever change the election night results.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

28. +1

[peekaloo]

4. Haha which means the sphincters of Republicans are tightening as well.

You can tell by their bulging eyes.

[irisblue]

6. Fight on.

[bluestarone]

7. I was hoping for this!!!

The recount would be awesome!!

[smirkymonkey]

8. Oh please yes!

Why am I thinking that this voting process was not entirely on the up-and-up?

[rzemanfl]

16. Because you are a sentient being? n/t

[KPN]

43. Lol. Exactly!

[mcar]

9. Perhaps Gillum shouldn't have conceded

Seems like this isn't over.

[NurseJackie]

15. I hope that a concession is just a courtesy and polite gesture that does not...

I hope that a concession is just a courtesy and polite gesture that does not preclude or prevent him or his campaign from receiving a recount if the numbers warrant it.

Concession doesn't mean he's legally closed the door to all available options and remedies, right?

[Pacifist Patriot]

19. Concessions are legally meaningless.

Thank goodness!

[NurseJackie]

25. Good! Thank you!

[MineralMan]

21. Concessions are meaningless. They don't have anything to

do with election outcomes.

[NurseJackie]

26. Good! Thank you!

[KPN]

36. +1!

[SCVDem]

47. And the BP went up!

And thanks to you all, the BP is back down.

I am really getting too old for this!

[mcar]

50. I think it is just a courtesy

[lame54]

62. Yeah - way too quick...

Especially in Florida

[NurseJackie]

10. Excellent if true!

Fingers crossed.

[fishwax]

13. Florida has an automatic recount, right? What's the threshold?

[Pacifist Patriot]

18. .5% for machine recount and .25% for paper. He's currently where a machine recount is triggered.

[Native]

58. And the recount is mandatory nt

[Coexist]

14. Nelson put out a statement they are going to recount eom

[Pacifist Patriot]

17. Amendment 4 leaves me questioning the validity of other statewide races.

It makes no sense to me that so many voters would approve the restoration of felon voting rights and also vote for DeSantis and Scott. 2.8 Million more voted Yes than No.

By comparison, current totals show only 55.5K more for DeSantis over Gillum and 34.K more for Scott than Nelson.

I can't get my brain around that. Republicans actively fought this amendment. Like it was life and death to them. (Hint: It sure can be if our Florida legislature concedes to voter will.)

How can 2.3 Million people cross over like that? Especially when attacks on the amendment weren't even veiled racism in some places.

Yes, I know it's possible. It just strikes me as unlikely.

[Blue_true]

31. One problem may be the layout of the Florida ballot and people not paying attention.

Republicans were listed first in every race, regardless of what alphabetical order dictated. I read one person on DU admit that he accidentally voted for a republican and had to request a new ballot. How many people accidentally marked DeSantis and were too embarrassed to admit their mistake and get a new ballot?

[KPN]

35. How about how many didn't even realize the mistake?

What is Florida law regarding order of listing on the ballot? If that was violated, why didn't the Democratic Party object already?

[Native]

59. the party of the current governor gets first billing - that's the law

[KPN]

64. Thx. So there's no problem ... unless of course

studies show that mistakes in votes benefit the first candidate listed at a much higher rate.

So what will Dems do in that case?

[FloridaBlues]

23. Yes just announced Sen Nelson asking for recount to ballot machines.

If still less than 0.5%, not sure what happens next. Hand recount ?

[riverwalker]

29. I thought Gillum conceded too quickly

He deserves a recount.

[still_one]

30. crossing my fingers

[KPN]

33. Oh do I hope this has merit.

On the other hand, why let our hopes get up too high when we already know the G(OP)estapo will find all sorts of ways to fully crush any hope of a recount.

[Loge23]

34. The state is pretty much 50-50

Without a full or at least close to full participation among registered Democrats in Florida, the R-Racists will continue to get their way in elections.
The primary blocs of deplorable voters in Florida are three:
1) The natives, many of whom are rednecks - particularly in rural and northern counties.
2) The racist expats from midwest and northeast states, many of whom benefit greatly from "socialist" policies like civil service pensions, social security, and medicare. I'm talking to you, The Villages.
3) The Cubans, who do not vote along racist lines but still apparently admire fascists, or at least are hoodwinked by them.

Millennials will help greatly if they become fully engaged, and attrition will thin out the expats from other states. We're within 1%. We have to remain energized, outrages, and resistant to the attacks on our environment, education, health care, and culture by the moron set.

[JonLP24]

37. 16% of the Florida electorate were first time voters

And they broke for Democrats 2-1.

[Loge23]

40. Good news!

We'll also have the restored rights voters in 2020, along with millions more millennials.
Stay strong!

[George II]

39. It's getting closer - 4,058,589 to 4,007,785 and there still are absentee ballots to count...

...neither is 50%.

Abrams' race is closer too - 1,968,408 1,901,043 but Kemp is over 50% so far.

Nelson/Scott's race will be subject to a recount.

[SARFTS]

41. Let's Do It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's do this!!!!

[SaschaHM]

42. Good. We need to send every Dem lawyer to these rural "surge" counties and make sure nothing is up.

[AC_Mem]

44. YES!!!

there is no way that if it is this close that there should not be a recount. Florida is way TOO IMPORTANT!

[AlexSFCA]

45. recount in a state like FL is important to pursue

even if it doesn’t change the outcome, it helps to uncover any irregularities and boost confidence in election system that is run by gop.

[montanacowboy]

46. I was shocked when he did that

concession speech last night - that was way too premature

why are Dems always so ready to concede? Goddammit, fight like your life depended on it because it does.

[Baitball Blogger]

48. He was more than .05%.

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And, frankly, something funky happened with that Dade and Broward vote. The numbers didn't swing Blue as much as people expected them to based on the vote count percentages.

[Awsi Dooger]

65. The late tallied Dade and Broward vote is election day numbers

That is not as liberal. You'll never match the early voting percentages in terms of slant toward our candidate.

The television pundits make that mistake in state after state. They'll look at the overall percentage in the county so far and try to assign the same split to the outstanding votes.

We needed to be ahead in these races by 8:45 PM. That is my Florida criteria based on past history, I mentioned it prior to last night, and I will continue to hold onto it going forward. This is not Virginia or Georgia where all the big Democratic counties report late and sharply shift the numbers. Florida goes back and forth late in strange behavior but other than Gore in 2000 I've never seen anything pivotal in terms of rallying after 8:45 PM.

[mia]

51. K & R

[johnnyfins]

52. 18 years.

Its been 18 years since the 2000 Bush v Gore mess. No offense to my Sunshine State bretheren, but when, when, when? When will you fix your voting problems, Florida?

[-Steph-]

54. Something didn't seem right in Florida. I welcome a recount. It's needed.

[pamdb]

55. Florida

What time did they say? Because I’ve got morning joe ( recorded) and I’m not seeing that.

[Baitball Blogger]

56. Right before I posted. At 9:52ish AM.

[DallasNE]

57. Voter suppression Pays Dividends

Big time. It is the margin of victory in some races.

[Honeycombe8]

63. Gillum conceded? There is less than 100,000 votes' difference.

That doesn't seem like much...aren't there absentee votes, provisional ballots to count?

[MrsCoffee]

67. The concession speeches are not legally binding and are simply a courtesy gesture.