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bigtree

(85,984 posts)
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:16 PM Nov 2018

I don't remember a victory being this important

...it's a blast and a relief to win the House majority, of course, but it's impossible to take all of this in without reflecting on just how devastating a loss would have been.

It makes me much more grateful for this victory than I've ever felt before. Our situation with Trump still in office is as precarious as ever, but it would have been nearly impossible to see through the noise to some future win for Democrats, if we lost. Not impossible (I lived through the 'Gingrich revolution'), but dangerously close to a fascist state, if we lost to this crop of rabid republicans.

You could see the prospect of the Democratic party becoming even more toothless in the fight against Trump, without power to do much more than speak out and write strongly worded letters of opposition.

Now the Democratic party can issue subpoenas, call witnesses before committees, and initiate oversight and investigations, which our party will direct and control, of Trump administration malfeasance, graft, and criminality.

I know this is trite and an oversimplification, but America was awakened again last night. With the nation rocking a cool shade of blue this morning, our Democratic party has a consequential voice again. The Democratic-led House has a constitutional impetus and full reign to initiate financial legislation, hold oversight investigations, and, when appropriate, initiate impeachment proceedings.

Trump's rubber stamp is shelved. House Democrats will be an effective block of republican initiatives from the Senate, and a formidable force in budget negotiations. No more tax giveaways to the rich, no more blank checks to the military, no more swipes at our health care benefits under the Affordable Care Act.

More importantly, we owe the republican party nothing but scorn for their attempts to dismantle our democratic institutions and our social safety nets. Republicans behaved as if they would never be forced to account for their thievery, and their evisceration of standards and norms which once served to make even a divided Congress operate with as much comity and cooperation as politically possible, demands redress.

I daresay, this new Democratic-controlled Congress should be loath to allow any republican legislator to gain leverage at the negotiating table, especially without some reckoning from them for the way Democrats were locked out of any ability to influence Trump-enabling legislation in the last term. It's been such a power-grab by republicans and the WH, that a return to regular order will look like a revolution.

Democrats should think long and hard about making any gestures or concessions in the name of behaving better toward republicans than they acted toward us. The criminals in that party are unrepentant, and determined to resume inflicting harm the minute they get their foot back in the door.

Comity should be about more than just offering the other cheek. There should be some demonstrable benefit to our agenda from any deals with the republican opposition. Congress isn't a social club. The steamrolling Democrats have received from the republican party in recent years demands that they execute their politics, in power, with the same ruthlessness their opposition employed.

The stakes for Americans, for our Democratic party to prevail, couldn't be higher or more critical.

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I don't remember a victory being this important (Original Post) bigtree Nov 2018 OP
I think I'm at least as relieved as happy. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #1
I heard the collective sigh of relief. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #2
The Republicans who are in the House SHRED Nov 2018 #3
K&R mcar Nov 2018 #4
early in the night, when 538 had our odds drop from 92%-ish to 66%-ish... that was terrifying renate Nov 2018 #5
it was Carville who gaslighted our house bigtree Nov 2018 #7
I stayed up late, in case Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #6
kick bigtree Nov 2018 #8
It's not everything I wanted.... Adrahil Nov 2018 #9

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
1. I think I'm at least as relieved as happy.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:18 PM
Nov 2018

Taking the House is an enormous victory. It would have been a disaster if it had been lost.

LakeArenal

(28,809 posts)
2. I heard the collective sigh of relief.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:25 PM
Nov 2018

But so many of us still have some serious hair balls stuck in our throats.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
3. The Republicans who are in the House
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:26 PM
Nov 2018

The ones who survived this cycle are far right operatives who are ruthless.
We must realize this.

renate

(13,776 posts)
5. early in the night, when 538 had our odds drop from 92%-ish to 66%-ish... that was terrifying
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:32 PM
Nov 2018

It was that moment in 2016, when Steve Kornacki said he didn't know where Hillary would get the votes she needed in Pennsylvania, all over again... that feeling of utter dread. Of having the world drop away from under our feet, knowing it was wrong and terrible but unprovable things were being done to us, all over again.

After we got the House, every individual loss was definitely put into perspective. It should have been a bigger night for us, but our country would have been OVER if we hadn't won the House. Irredeemably OVER.

Like you, I've never felt more grateful.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
7. it was Carville who gaslighted our house
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:58 PM
Nov 2018

...my wife cried when it was announced Dems had control.

I'm sure she cried as much as she would have if we had lost.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,307 posts)
6. I stayed up late, in case
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:33 PM
Nov 2018

I was prepared to advise my (adult) children to pick a country to move to and get out before it became late 1930s Germany. Too many people who lived through that transformation before WWII have spoken out with dire warnings about the path we're on. The blue wave stopped that advice -- we gained essential checks on "this crop of rabid republicans" and therefore hope to be able to pull back from the precipice.

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