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Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:56 AM

Pelosi needs to pass the torch

All of her experience and connections can be better used in a supporting and advisory role for a new party leader.

This is the same mistake we made in 2016.

Look forward and not back.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:57 AM

1. Who would be strong enough to replace her...Maxine Waters, now that would be hilarious.

First AA speaker of the house, collective heads would explode.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:58 AM

2. Couldn't agree more.

She's pulled her weight -- now we need to "rebrand" with someone a more appeal to progressive-minded and the young.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:27 PM

57. Can I just say that progressive minded people did not win last night as much as centrist in red

areas.

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:08 PM

114. Ahhh. Here it is. "appeal to progressive-minded and the young. "

 

The Democratic Party is now, has always been & its basic tenats will always be...progressive, young, old, & of people representing all faiths, age, gender, & equality .

Progressive is not a party in & of itself & at the moment does not represent one seperate from the Democratic Party.

Tell me why Pelosi is suddenly, since the popularity of the word progressive became used as a recent divisionary marker, ..why she is suddenly NOT progressive?

If anything, Speaker Pelosi's entire career represents the very definition of progressive.
Read her history & her climb to the most respected position she holds today, against the years of status quo, age old ingrained & long established politics of DC.

Time to give the anti-Pelosi shtick a proper burial.
She has always been progressive.
She has always been a Democrat.

This is now the 4th anti-Pelosi thread I've seen since last night.
It sounds like 3rd Party messaging hell bent on their mission of 2016.

Who is pushing, so heavily, this media messaging exactly?

Speaker Pelosi is exactly the right person in the right place for what treacherous steps lay before the Democratic led House of Representatives.

Anti- Pelosi messaging needs to be removed from this Democratic Site. Right now we have finally dealt an enormous blow to Trump, Republicans & Fascism.

Speaker Pelosi's experience & smarts, as our House leadership, will carry out the end to Trump's rampage on America.

Pretty damned progressive isn't she.











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Response to rocktivity (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:43 PM

228. ABSOLUTELY NOT. That would be an idiotic mistake. This isn't about sex appeal or rebranding.

Nancy isn't a figurehead, she's a work horse. The job is about knowing the legislative ropes, and some newbie won't.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:58 AM

3. Now is not the time to "pass the torch" to an unproven leader.

With Republicans in charge in the Senate and Trump still in the White House, we need Nancy Pelosi more than ever.

Why do you dislike her? Are you just allowing Republican insults about her to taint your view?

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:15 PM

121. +1

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:44 PM

230. +1

Yeah...let's Franken her...bc of a newcomer to DU. WRONG.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:58 AM

4. Until I see evidence of a better leader than Pelosi....she needs to hang on to the torch.

 

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:59 AM

6. This, it would have to be someone who could roll Trump and the GOP.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:00 PM

8. We'll never know until she lets go.

It's not the 90s anymore as much as some folks would like it to be.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:04 PM

17. Is this the decade when we don't need a strong Speaker?

 

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Response to Baconator (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:22 PM

48. Maybe we should draw straws for the position?

Republicans would love to see someone new, no doubt, but why would you?

It's puzzling to me. Really it is.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:33 PM

64. No way...

Trump is giddy about last night.

He has a perpetual excuse as to why literally anything he does in the future fails and all conveniently personified in a single individual.

They would hate to see Pelosi take on an elder advisor role with a younger and more representative face of the party.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:33 PM

67. How about this? How about we let the House members decide.

I'm guessing they know a lot better what is needed than you do. Really.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #67)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:35 PM

70. Im comfortable speaking my piece.. Thanks..

I dont assume that my 'betters' know what's good for me.

That's how we got what we did in 2016. It's selfish.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #70)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:38 PM

72. Yes, we can see that you are comfortable in that role.

I disagree with your opinion, and am saying so. I've also asked you some questions. Will you answer them?

I have no idea who your "betters" are, because I have no idea who you are, really. Where were you during the 2018 campaign period? Why were you silent then? There's a simple question for you.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #72)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:31 PM

143. Busy...

Not all of us have all the free time you seem to possess.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #143)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:37 PM

149. Ah, I see. But, now that the election's over, you suddenly have time

to suggest that Nancy Pelosi step down from the role in which she has been so successful. Fascinating.

As for my available time, I'm fortunate enough to be semi-retired. You see, I'm an old geezer of 73. Not worth noticing, I suppose, and incapable of carrying on a cogent discussion, I guess.

Look at this thread. You'll find that most disagree with your casual, unsupported suggestion about Speaker Pelosi. What does that mean to you? How do you understand that? See. I'm looking to see whether you have any logical reasons for your odd suggestion. It sounds so much like what the Republicans say about Nancy Pelosi. Now, they have a reason for not wanting her to be Speaker. Their reason is that she's so damned good at the job.

What's your reason? She's old? She's a woman? What? Do tell.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #149)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:51 PM

172. Thank you.

I find this thread to be a bit odd. Or maybe not.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #172)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:56 PM

181. Well, I find it unsurprising, really.

Attacking Nancy Pelosi is not an uncommon theme here from time to time. It used to be more common, but the people who went there no longer seem to come here. I believe it was part of some sort of devious plan to demoralize or confuse people. Now, why anyone would want to do that on DU, I don't know, but the evidence seems clear enough.

Attacks on the Speaker go on apace at other venues, though. I'm just not pleased to see them here.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #181)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:05 PM

189. Hmm, true dat.

One does wonder at the attacks on Pelosi.

Reminds me of the attacks on Hillary.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:00 PM

101. GOP and KGB would LOVE to see a new, unproven person in there, bet your ASS

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #101)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:02 PM

108. Yes. They'd both love someone new as Speaker.

That's why the GOOPers and the Russians are saying the same thing we're hearing in this thread. Why it's being said here is what I question. This thread and some others just toss the idea out without any supporting information.

It smacks of something...but I'm not sure exactly what that something might be, you know...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #108)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:18 PM

125. I know exactly what is going on and where, have for a long time.

But I dont talk about it because as a die hard Democrat, I have to be careful what I say.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:22 PM

129. Gotcha...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:56 PM

179. You always claim to know something you're "not allowed" to say.

Who is not allowing it?

This is a Democratic discussion board, so how come you have to “be careful” what you say?

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Response to cwydro (Reply #179)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:51 PM

231. I know what he's referring to and so do you.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #101)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:34 PM

145. Absolutely not...

They are salivating at having Pelosi as the go to source of blame for literally everything that happens for the next two years.

It isn't unreasonable to expect that we could pass leadership on to someone with experience but way WAY less baggage.

That's all while retaining the benefits of Pelosi's networks and experience in her role as an advisor.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:26 PM

56. You Do Know That This Is Exactly What 'They' Want

and there's a reason for that so why help them?

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Response to Me. (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:35 PM

68. Good question.

Why should we listen to this DUer, who never participated in any of the campaign discussions at all? Now that we've regained the majority in the House, the poster is full of suggestions.

I think not.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:37 PM

71. Some of us are busy...

Babies, work, deployments and a graduate degree trump bitching on the internet.

So shush...

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Response to Baconator (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:39 PM

77. No. I won't "shush." Not a chance.

You've explained nothing to back up your "suggestion" that Pelosi not be the Speaker. Again, why should we listen to you? Do tell.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:21 PM

128. Bingo

You have found the pulse.

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Response to Me. (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:00 PM

103. Hmm, why indeed.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:40 PM

154. what?? this ISNT a time for social experiments or newbies who need to learn the ropes a bit..

...this is war. we are in a war! The Experienced General are who we need.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:07 PM

22. What would qualify as "evidence"?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 PM

27. Wresting the Speakership from her.

 

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 PM

25. Linda Sanchez

Among others.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:16 PM

35. Pffft. No way.

LS does not have the chops.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:16 PM

34. Bingo! Pelosi is going to be Speaker. Started back in the job last night, in fact.

This is a nonstarter.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 PM

41. There is a reason why Republicans hate Pelosi as Speaker....She is a POWERFUL speaker.

 

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Response to irresistable (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:09 PM

117. Yep. And double yep. nt

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #117)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:35 PM

210. Remember when the Treasury Secretary knelt before her, begging for support.

 

Paulson threatened John McCain, but he got down on one knee before Pelosi.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:57 PM

99. Damn straight!

She is a tough leader who happens to be a woman. She has never lost a vote on the floor and can rally Democrats like nobody else. We need her to work her magic more than ever.

What the hell is wrong with some Democrats? Why would they push to get Pelosi to step aside in favor of some untested "new blood"?

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Response to irresistable (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:27 PM

135. I agree.

 

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:59 AM

5. No

She keeps it together and that is why they hate her.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:03 PM

16. Yes yes yes

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 PM

26. I think they hate her because they find her a convenient scapegoat

With which to rile up their base.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:37 PM

148. Depends on which 'they' you are talking about.

The GOP leadership loves loves LOVES the idea of Pelosi as speaker for two years.

The base hates her guts but probably couldn't tell you why with any level of specificity.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:10 PM

214. +

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:00 PM

7. Unrec. Fighting among ourselves. That is the same mistake we made in 2016.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:03 PM

15. Talking about who we would like as leadership is not fighting among ourselves.

We need to make sure we set ourselves up to win in 2020 now. We didn't do a good enough job last go around.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:42 PM

160. Seriously! Do we really need to start this shit right now?

 

Jeeze, at least give it a week or so before starting up this lame old argument again.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:01 PM

9. Patience, Grasshopper. A little birdie in California politics told me....

two years ago, her goal was to regain the house then make a seamless transition to new leadership; this will be Pelosi's last rodeo, then she will ride into the sunset a winner.

She has my total support.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:00 PM

102. She'll probably build a new team

Don't be surprised if you see some new faces in leadership. The first shake up could be on her own leadership team. Might also see some people moved into chairmanships quickly.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #102)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:08 PM

115. That's exactly what I expect

Seamless transition are the operative words, Baby!

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:01 PM

10. Nancy is good at her job, but she is also the most famous rethuglican antagonist

Trump and the rethugs, Fox and AM hate radio - they don't even need to character destroy the person and create a boogyman. It's readymade in Nancy Pelosi. Their work has already been done for them of years and years of character assassination. Now they just have say her name in every sentence and the message is delivered.

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:23 PM

49. And yet we won so it didn't work...and anyone would be demonized. I won't dance to the GOP tune.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:59 PM

232. Well said

Me neither. Let the fascists do what they think they need to do, while we march forward one foot in front of the next.

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Response to Cary (Reply #232)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 07:37 PM

234. Right on...vote Democratic always. Keep on moving forward.

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:25 PM

132. Yes. Let's get rid of her and replace her with someone Republicans will like better

 

Because if Dems pick a Speaker that the Republicans like, they will be really really nice to us and all will be well with the world.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #132)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:43 PM

164. Yes - that's exactly what I said

I'm simply saying the rethugs don't even need to spend any time, no weeks, no months crafting a boogyman. Nancy Pelosi is ready made for them. It is going to be rough and we need to be ready for more crap and lies than we've ever seen be thrown at her and the congress.

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:51 PM

173. So what I say...

I'm in support of experience..that will be Madam Speaker, Pelosi...we know their rhetoric smearing tools regarding Pelosi...so we have data.... nothing new to come up, no new slogan bully crap to be designed. Let's support Madam Speaker Pelosi.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #173)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:11 PM

193. I agree -- and I said she is great at her job

We have not had anyone in a position of power in the 2 years of this looney bin. Trump has had his villain in "crooked Hillary" and "Pochahantis" yet they had no real control or power over what he did. Now, he'll have Pelosi and congress. I imagine he will really ratchet it up.

We just need to be ready for some of the ugliest rhetoric, maybe uglier than we've seen. She's tough, she can handle it, but no one should have to.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:01 PM

11. Hunh... 2 posts in the last 90 days. n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:04 PM

19. EXACTLY nt

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:08 PM

23. ... And 1200 posts since last year.

You need untwist your knickers.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:31 PM

62. Don't tell people to "untwist their knickers," please.

It's just a rude and sexist thing to say. It's natural to wonder why someone who hasn't participated in any discussions during the past three months is suddenly showing up pushing to keep Pelosi out of that position, which she has filled so successfully in the past.

And without any explanation at all. Really...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #62)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:38 PM

73. Knickers is gender neutral...

So untwist away...

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Response to Baconator (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:42 PM

79. Not really. No, it isn't in that usage.

Nobody wears knickers as described in the first definition except a few nonconformist golfers. The second definition is used far more often.

knick·ers
/ˈnikərz/Submit
noun
1.
NORTH AMERICAN
loose-fitting trousers gathered at the knee or calf.
2.
BRITISH
a woman's or girl's underpants.

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Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:42 PM

162. No, not twisted. A little bent over from time to time, but never twisted.

Do you wear knickers? It's really, really rare to see anyone wearing them. Pretty old-fashioned, they are, and have been for a very long time. Like I said, about the only ones are the odd golfer here and there.




Now, a Google Image search for knickers shows a few pairs like that, but mostly you'll see women's underpants. I won't post any of thos images, though.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:24 PM

50. +1

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:01 PM

105. Worse would be someone who after being shown over and over and over and over again

why NOT to replace, how effective she is, to CONTINUE down this nonsensical road, WOW

Did ya hear about the green party voters who were asked by their candidate NOT to vote for him to vote for Democrat but they did anyway?

I cant believe that, amazing.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #105)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:20 PM

127. It's an old trade, actually

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:02 PM

12. Absolutely agree

Look at the people that won the elections that turned the House. Younger and more color. The leadership needs to start representing that, too.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:03 PM

109. A democracy represents everyone--or should

It is wonderful that we have so many younger and minority people in the House, but Nancy Pelosi is a woman and an older, experienced one at that. What's wrong with letting her lead?

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #109)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:05 PM

111. We need to make sure that we win in 2020.

Pelosi does not seem to look like those that are winning the elections who, I would assume, either look like those voting for them or are what those voting for them want their leaders to look like. They don't want old white people. Perhaps having a non-old-white person in leadership might help our chances in 2020.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #111)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:16 PM

122. Let Nancy Pelosi do her job

She is the one who squeaked the ACA through. She also backed Obama to run for the presidency and he is solidly behind her now.
Pelosi has earned the gavel back. What evidence do you have that Pelosi would hurt 2020 chances?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #111)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:27 PM

136. Did it occur to you that Pelosi's leadership is one of the reasons Dems took the House back?

 

I have no doubt that, if Dems lost last night, Pelosi would be blamed by the same people who now refuse to give her any credit for the win.

You can't have it both ways.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #136)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:34 PM

144. I absolutely wouldn't have blamed her.

But how did she get the youngest woman elected in NYC? Let's start with that one. What did Pelosi do to make that happen.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #144)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:41 PM

157. No, let's not start with that one since it's irrelevant to this discussion.

 

It's great that Ocasio-Cortez won, but that was a solid Democratic seat in no danger of being won by a Republican, so her win didn't help flip the House.

But maybe YOU wouldn't have blamed her if we didn't take the House, but plenty of other Democrats right here on DU would have, just like they blamed her for Osoff's loss in Georgia - actually putting more blame on HER than on the candidate who couldn't win his own race.

Or remember how Tim Ryan and his supporters blamed her when Hillary didn't carry his district and offered that as proof that Ryan should replace her as Speaker - totally ignoring the fact that HE couldn't deliver HIS OWN DISTRICT.



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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:02 PM

13. HELL NO. nt

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:02 PM

14. No. She does not. n/t

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:04 PM

18. As nicely as I can, Hell No... she just won the election for us...

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 PM

28. Oh, come on, now. Certainly she played a role

but let's not overlook the campaigns of the rainbow of candidates that won.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:22 PM

47. She did a good job and I always wonder why is it always women who get this treatment? Harry Reid

who was not as effective as Nancy stayed as long as he wanted. So double no to those who unfairly hate Nancy.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:24 PM

51. Harry Reid overstayed his effectiveness, too, IMO. I still hate his "keep the powder dry"

nonsense. He never used the damn powder.

And I never said I hate Nancy. I just think we need a younger, non-white Speaker of the House. Look at the people that were elected to win back the House and tell me how many were old and white.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:47 PM

86. Nancy is very effective and I don't base my decision on such an important job on age...Nancy earned

this and I don't care what you think of Harry Reid, he stayed until he wanted to leave...of course he was a man. Always women are treated badly.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:54 PM

93. Are you even listening to what I'm saying or do you just want me to be sexist?

I have expressly said the same thing about Reid that I'm saying about Pelosi. It isn't sexism.

Look at the people that won the seats to give us the House back. How many are not old, white people? Maybe we need to have leadership that represents those that got us here.

But, hey, if it makes you feel better to just label me a sexist--have at it I guess.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #93)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:57 PM

98. No, saying that Reid shouldn't have stayed does not have anything to do with this...he was never

forced out that is reserved for women...Dianne Feinstein is another example. I think Nancy should stay. I read your argument but it rings hollow when Harry Reid was not forced out and left of his own accord...so what he should or should not have done is not relevant.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #98)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:04 PM

110. I have no ability to remove either Reid or Pelosi.

I wanted them both out before they wanted to be out. Sadly, I have zero say about who is speaker or senate leader.

Any response to the Speaker being representative of those that got elected or you just going to continue to ignore that?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #110)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:09 PM

118. I feel Nancy represents everyone fairly and we won how many seats...certainly not more than 50 % of

the house so why should new folks have such a big say?. Thus. I believe Nancy will be voted in, and everyone gets to vote including newbies. It is perfectly reasonable and fair.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:42 PM

158. harry used to go toe to toe IN PERSON with murderous gangsters..

..moving folks along cuz they have 'outlived their usefulness' is disturbing to me.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:36 PM

224. Ageist and bigoted comment

Nice.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:28 PM

137. If Dems lost big last night, it would have been mostly Nancy's fault

 

Dems win big and she had little to do with it.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:06 PM

20. Sorry, but she needs to right the ship first. She will pass the torch

when she's damn good and ready. I have no doubt she will groom someone to replace her before she decides to step down. Cheri Bustos of IL would be an excellent pick!

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:07 PM

21. It's not a popular view here, but I agree.

We desperately need new blood in our party leadership.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 PM

44. It is not popular because it would be foolish to put a newbie in with Trump in office.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #44)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:42 PM

78. I think we can find a middle ground between...

... someone nearing 80 and having served since the early 90s and passing the gavel to Ocasio-Cortez on her first day

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Response to Baconator (Reply #78)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:46 PM

83. How old was Harry Reid when he left the Senate?

Ocasio-Cortez is a newbie and certainly should not get the speakership. There is no middle ground here. Nancy stays...

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #83)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:31 PM

141. Harry overstayed his welcome as well...

I'm not even suggesting that she should just leave.

She needs to stay and pass on all of her experience and networks to someone from the new generation.

They are not one but TWO generations behind where the leadership should be. American youth are the future of the party and it's time to recognize it even if it comes at a personal power cost.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #78)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:31 PM

142. HaaaHaahaaa. Here it is..AOC. who comes with Z E R.O creds in the workings of the House

 

& ZERO EXPERIENCE in taking on such a powerful position, is your choice to replace Pelosi???!

Cripe. Umm she needs quite a few years on her resume before she deserves to be trusted with the position of Speaker.

Well, thanks for giving your real intent away.
I totally get what you're after here.

Holee cow.

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Response to Bfd (Reply #142)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:35 PM

147. I'm pretty sure you didn't read my post ...

Go back, try again and apologize.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #147)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:39 PM

153. No need to. Your post was quite clear.

 

Bye

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Response to Bfd (Reply #153)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:42 PM

161. Wow...

You can't even admit when you were factually provably wrong.

Are you sure you're in the right place?

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Response to Baconator (Reply #161)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:28 PM

207. Maybe you should go have some more bacon

You sound a bit peckish.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:09 PM

24. No.

Hell no.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 PM

29. No

And you Pelosi haters can lower your claws.

Pelosi has worked her ass off for this party and understands the nuances better than some younger progressive. Once we have a DEM POTUS, we can revisit. But for now, she should be thanked and backed 100%.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 PM

42. +10000000

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:53 PM

91. Agree with 29 completely.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:30 PM

140. THANK you!

 

I can't believe what I'm reading here from so-called progressives.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #140)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:38 PM

225. Doesn't surprise me

I expected the Pelosi hate today here.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:25 PM

202. Absolutely agree...




Only! 2020 and beyond.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 PM

30. I think she should be Speaker at first

With the understanding that it's a placeholder. That should be a compromise to satisfy everyone.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:18 PM

38. No, I disagree. This is her victory. I would remind you she got health care though single handedly

and gave up her majority for it...so NO. She stays as long as she wants to and is elected.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:52 PM

89. To be clear, I totally support her. I would love her to be, and stay, Speaker.

However, there are a lot of people who don't want to see her as Speaker at all, which I vehemently disagree with. It was her suggestion to be Speaker for some shortened period of time, so I say, let's accept that offer with good grace. That said, Speaker Pelosi would be just fine and dandy with me. I'm one of her biggest fans.

On the flip side, to have someone serve as Speaker and mentor to an up and coming candidate for the job has a real up side too. It's far better than someone coming in determined to do things differently and throw away that hard-earned institutional knowledge Pelosi has built up.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #89)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:54 PM

92. I hope she stays. We need her. The ones who want her out are not capable of doing the job.

I love my old Congressman Tim Ryan, but Ohio is a purple state and a speaker must hail from a deep blue state. Also, she knows how to get things done.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:01 PM

104. Again, I agree with you. I don't think anyone could do a better job than she has.

But sometimes compromise isn't the worst option and if she is able to help hand-pick a good successor (and she's on board with it), then I think it could ultimately be good.

A big fat phooey to people who want her gone; they're being unappreciative and short-sighted.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #104)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:12 PM

119. How fun! We can agree to agree right?

She said today she would be speaker.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:41 PM

156. I could get behind that...

Take the job for 12 months while keeping the successor tied in and then pass the torch just as we head into high election season.

New leadership for a new era with all the experience and knowledge of the 'old school'

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 PM

31. Yes, obviously

K&R

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:14 PM

32. I'm just going to let the Dems in the House decide that.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 PM

33. There certainly needs to be someone warming up in the bullpen.

n/t

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:17 PM

36. Absolutely not...she is the only one that knows how to deal with this sort of situation and it is

her victory. She helped secure it.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:17 PM

37. NO. Not Now. Cunning and guile beats youth and exuberance.

I do NOT want a rookie in this slot.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 PM

39. Absolutely right.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:55 PM

95. Donna Edwards said the same thing last night

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:35 PM

146. "Face it, girls. I'm older and have more insurance."

 

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:45 PM

166. That's a false choice...

There are people with cunning, guile and experience that aren't named Nancy Pelosi.

What if she got hit by a truck or had a heart attack tomorrow? What's the plan then?

We'd be screwed because no one is in the bullpen.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #166)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:05 PM

188. Dogs with bones live in simplistic worlds

We get you don't like her.

Bias noted.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 PM

40. Not yet

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 PM

43. Nope. We need her experience and skills now.

No someone new who has no proven track record.

You know who doesn't like Nancy Pelosi? Republicans. We shouldn't carry their water.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 PM

45. You seem concerned. nt

 

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Response to Codeine (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:47 PM

169. Well..

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 PM

46. Why?

She was an excellent leader last time. She can bring cohesiveness to a newly constructed Dem Caucus

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:24 PM

52. Jesus Fucking Christ.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #52)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:51 PM

174. What? Where?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:25 PM

53. Says Who?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:26 PM

54. Nope

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:26 PM

55. And why, pray tell, should we listen to you?

I'm not familiar with your points of view, frankly. You've been silent right up until now. Nothing from you during the campaign. Nothing from you about how to take back the House in the election. But now, you show up and carry the water of those who hate Nancy Pelosi, like Donald Trump and Paul Ryan.

Please explain why I should even consider your call. Use as many words as you need. I'll wait here.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:09 PM

192. I'll keep you company while you wait.

 

If you don’t mind.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #192)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:13 PM

194. By all means. Pull up a chair. Can I get you some coffee or a soft drink?

It could be a long wait...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #194)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:19 PM

215. No, thanks. I'm good

 

But, please - help yourself. I've got plenty ...

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #192)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:26 PM

216. Regrettably, the OP had a post removed upthread.

Not due to any alert of mine, since it was a reply to me. I never alert to replies directed to me. I prefer to answer those replies, as best I can.

So, I guess we won't get an answer here. More's the pity.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #216)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:30 PM

217. Oh, well ...

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #217)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:32 PM

218. Yes.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:28 PM

58. I'd rather keep her. DO NOT GIVE IN TO THEIR NARRATIVE OF NANCY PELOSI!

She’s been a great democratic leader. She knows how to rally the party. She knows how to get all of them on the same page.

When you think of Nancy, think of the ACA and how she rallied the party to pass a piece of legislation that they had no input on. She got them to take one for the greater good of the team. THIS IS WHAT A LEADER DOES!

We have an agenda. Nancy’s on board and she’s the woman to get our party together in the immediate future.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:28 PM

59. No. She is Madame Speaker and will remain so.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:40 PM

155. yes! I agree....

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Response to samnsara (Reply #155)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:08 PM

221. This is not the time for someone to work on getting their resume padded for a step

towards the White House. We need a Speaker who knows how to control the house and knows how the Republicans work and can kick ass.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:29 PM

60. That comparison is false, and may I remind you the 16 primary

is long over.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:30 PM

61. No gracias.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:32 PM

63. She's made it clear that she plans on doing just that.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:33 PM

65. I trust Pelosi 100%.

She's been one of the savviest political operators of this generation, and she's more than earned the right to decide when and how to pass the torch.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:33 PM

66. Oh brother!



Pelosi needs to pass the torch


This is the same mistake we made in 2016.
Yes, yes, we know... "it's all her fault!"

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:57 PM

100. It's amazing how Dems increasing their gains in the House 2 years in a row...

is somehow a negative and a bad thing about Pelosi.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #100)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:34 PM

209. The Pelosi-haters can't resist any opportunity to bash her...

The Pelosi-haters can't resist any opportunity to bash her. I never understand why it is that one of their rallying cries is "we can't keep looking to the past" (or some such) yet... in reality, that's EXACTLY what they're focusing on: the past. The vitriol and hatred toward her is so mindless and she doesn't deserve it.

Hashtag: sad.




#IStandWithNancy #ILoveNancyPelosi

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #209)

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:04 PM

233. They are marginal, but noisy

Less noisy these days.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:35 PM

69. Your entire premise is predicated on a logical fallacy.

 

After this, therefore because of this.

You make allegations, yet fail to support any of them with any objective evidence.

In essence, you're a bumper sticker.



(ironically enough, the few points you did indeed manage to attempt, were all based on 'looking back')

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #69)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:48 PM

171. I'm not confident you know what some of those words mean...

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Response to Baconator (Reply #171)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:58 PM

183. Bless your little heart... your confidence is irrelevant, your fallacies telling.

 

Your lack of evidence to support your allegations are irrational.

Try to be a rational thinker. It takes discipline, but I'm confident you can achieve it if you only try.

The sheep will stop screaming...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #183)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:59 PM

185. Ok, I'll bite...

Which part was confusing for you?

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Response to Baconator (Reply #185)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:01 PM

186. Keep up, and stay on your own topic.

 

Please support your original premises and allegations with objective evidence. Part II

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Response to Baconator (Reply #171)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:15 PM

195. You're not, eh? Well allow me to assure you that

the poster understands them perfectly.

Do try to answer the questions. That would be great.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:38 PM

74. What's the Problem with a Strong and Talented Speaker? Here Comes the Sexism

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:39 PM

75. Agreed

Ted Lieu

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:39 PM

76. as DUer Are_grits_groceries posted today:

In the next two years, you will need a ruthless person who knows where the bodies are buried and all the legislative tricks that can be tried. Pelosi is that person. If there is one person that will not be run over or snookered by the Senate and Trump, it’s Pelosi.

This is not the time for ‘on the job’ training in fighting the Thugs. You find someone who can match her skill, resolve, and plain out mean let me know.

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:43 PM

81. +100

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:07 PM

113. So tired of people trashing Pelosi.

You know who got Obamacare passed? Pelosi.

She has the leadership experience, the skills and the work ethic to effectively manage the Dem caucus. Now is no time to bring in an untested speaker.

We have a real opportunity here to slow Trump down if skillfully played.

Who else could do a better job?

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #113)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:29 PM

139. As am I.

I don't want a rookie. I want the person who has been around long enough to know every weakness of the other side's leadership, and how to exploit them, and who knows all the arcane rules of the House.

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:54 PM

176. There is literally no reason she can't share that knowledge...

... instead of keeping it to herself as a means to political power at the cost of the rest of the party.

If she got hit by a truck tomorrow all of dead body knowledge is *pfft*... gone...

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Response to Baconator (Reply #176)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:08 PM

191. Speaking as a senior leader highly accountable for knowledge transfer,

I go above and beyond to facilitate successful knowledge transfer.

And when a critical initiative arises for which the deep knowledge is needed RIGHT NOW, I'm the one who is called on. And then I share that knowledge, too.

Pretty sure that Rep Pelosi is NOT "keeping it to herself as a means to political power at the cost of the rest of the party".

I'm also quite pleased that Senator Feinstein, another senior leader from California was validated in her re-election.

We need senior leadership in place NOW that is able to act quickly.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:42 PM

80. Absolutely!! Spot on.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:43 PM

82. NOPE!!

We need her now, more than ever, to kick some ass because SHE knows better than any of them how to do so effectively. If anyone will help us gain our control over our government again, it's Nancy whether you like her or not. Just like Hilary, she's the most qualified by a wide margin.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:47 PM

84. Biggest fund raiser in the party, the same reason Ryan was speaker.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:47 PM

85. Sorry but I support Nancy Pelosi 100%.....

she has been and will be one of the best Speakers in my lifetime and I am 77.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #85)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:26 PM

204. Don't be sorry. There's no reason to be.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:48 PM

87. Wrong--Pelosi has years of deep experience-Stupid to suggest she pass the torch

Why would you ever say "use someone else" when she's got all the deep experience of how the system works and how to get things done - now especially with the House Majority and its authority to set the budget and taxes and to investigate (and veto any legislation). She knows how to negotiate this chess game.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:50 PM

88. I'm with Nancy.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:52 PM

90. Keep her. She passes off the Right

 

and all the whinybabies on our side as well.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:54 PM

94. Personally torn in my case

Pelosi has so much experience, knows the ins and outs of Congress leadership.

But she also energizes the opposition's base like no one else. Demonizing her for so many years was an effective travesty. So unfair.

I would love to see a new younger face step up and take the leadership. Whatever happens Nancy needs to start grooming her replacement NOW because that gig takes years to learn.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:56 PM

96. She should announce this is he last rodeo

That gives someone 2 years to step up

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 12:56 PM

97. Few if any can hold a candle to her

She kicks ass.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:02 PM

106. Pelosi needs to stay.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:02 PM

107. Pelosi is tops in my book!

Pelosi is one of the best politicians of our era.

Keep her! She rocks!

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:05 PM

112. I bet you take a knife to a gunfight

NO.. it's not the time.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:08 PM

116. When it is time, Pelosi will pass the torch. It is not time.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:14 PM

120. We do not need more of the same...

 

"House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi promised Wednesday that when her party takes over, the new majority will not attempt to remove President Bush from office, despite earlier pledges to the contrary from others in the caucus.

“I have said it before and I will say it again: Impeachment is off the table,” Pelosi, D-Calif., said during a news conference."

[link:https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/cq/2006/11/08/cq_1916.html?module=inline|

"As Democrats took control of the House of Representatives on Tuesday's election night, it didn't take long for Democratic Representative Nancy Pelosi of California—the current minority leader many expect to be the next speaker of the house—to shoot down the idea of impeaching President Donald Trump.

In a pair of interviews Tuesday evening, Pelosi suggested impeachment was unlikely and not something Democrats would go out of their way to pursue. "

[link:https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-impeachment-table-immediately-after-democrats-win-1205769|

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:17 PM

123. Now is not the time to stoke dissent

Now is the time for seamless transition during wartime. This us vs. them war is real and it began afresh today.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:18 PM

124. Fuck no

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:20 PM

126. Nope. Not yet.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:23 PM

130. Or what? Gonna take your ball and go home?

I mean isn’t that usually what the “young progressives” threaten?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:24 PM

131. Not this crap again ...

 

Good Lord

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:26 PM

133. I want Pelosi in there, focused, not passing a gavel. She knows what is happening.

 

Strong, smart and capable. I want shit done first, then work on mentoring someone in a new job. I want Pelosi in the role for at least 6 months.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:27 PM

134. Barbara Lee for speaker please. n/t

 

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:28 PM

138. We need experience and she's it

Not some greenhorn to fuck it up. She knows where the bodies are buried.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:38 PM

151. i have questions for both sides

for those who continue to support Rep. Pelosi as speaker:
how does she (or we or someone) rebuild her image? if polls are to be believed, nationally she's less popular than Trump. she's branded as a villain by the right wing, and she helps them push their message. how does this change? do we need it to change if she remains in the speaker position?

for those who support replacement by someone else, named or otherwise:
how do Democrats prevent such branding being applied to the following speaker? what needs to change to prevent such branding? can we simply move on to the next person without worrying about it since it would happen anyway?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:38 PM

152. NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

..Shes exactly who we need.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:42 PM

159. All she has to do is say "I promise to have this job for only 2 years, to get thru this tough time"

 

And promise to help "groom" her successor for 2020.

She knows that new leadership is needed and that she is in her late 70s.


Right now, we need someone with her chops.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #159)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:45 PM

165. She has pretty much ALREADY said that.

 

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:43 PM

163. She is speaking now.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:46 PM

167. I agree.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:48 PM

170. No thats ageism.

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #170)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:53 PM

175. It's pragmatism and realism...

The party is young and diverse and that ain't her.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #175)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:21 PM

201. No, it's ageism, as you demonstrated once again.

The party is made up of people of all ages, sexes, races and other characteristics. In fact, there are plenty of elders who are Democrats, including myself. Many have been active in promoting progressive ideals since the 1950s. You can look up the civil rights movement, equality for women, reproductive choice, anti-war activity, development of the technology we all use, and many other things. There, you'll find those elders when they were not elders. They're still around, still active, and full of wisdom.

Ageism is a flaw. Elders are also part of our diverse culture.

The party is diverse, and we are part of it. All of us.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:54 PM

177. Recommended.

It is time for our generation to step back and allow the next generation to step forward.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:55 PM

178. Nope

She's smart enough, she's good enough and gosh darn it, people like her.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #178)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:56 PM

180. Probably... Meh... Not so much...

In that order...

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Response to Baconator (Reply #180)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:57 PM

182. Who doesn't like her?

Oh the “young progressives” who like to stomp their feet and pout more often than not?

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #182)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 01:59 PM

184. Oh.. That's healthy...

This is the problem right here.

Young people aren't "pouting" because we/they don't want to use the early 90s bench and playbook against a modern opponent.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:04 PM

187. Nancy was right.

Democrats did take the House back in 2018. She's smart, though and well seasoned. She's a keeper.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:05 PM

190. So wrong -- Pelosi isn't the problem

Folks --

The problem we have is with the Party apparatus and leadership – NOT with Nancy Pelosi. She is probably the most able legislative leader we've seen since Tip O'Neill. She kept the Dems in the House together through one of the nastiest periods in our history. Yes, we should be looking for younger folks (how about starting with Hoyer) but mostly, we need to ensure that we continue to work as a single team.

Now, where is Tom Perez in all of this? Where is the "Howard Dean" full-throated fight everywhere leadership? We have the candidates, at least on the House side. But where is the strong voice? I hate to say it, but expecting Pelosi and Schumer to be that is asking too much (I'd love them to be that, but they are legislators). We have the opportunity to get our best, most compelling, and inclusive speakers and messengers there. Sure, we need an amazing organizer to build the infrastructure and support the local Dems infrastructure across 50 states. But people need to believe and we need to counter other communicators with something other than "we've got better ideas." And we can't have Bernie Sanders being the strongest voice -- he's not even willing to say he's a Democrat. How about Beto as the head of the Democratic Party – Perez can work for him.

Pelosi may only be Speaker for 1 or 2 more terms. Her goal should be to train, inspire, and lead the next generation of House Leadership. Push for that but don't undermine her. She is the real deal!

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:15 PM

196. Unless she starts talking "Bi-Partisanship" or "Impeachment's off the Table" I'm fine with her.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:15 PM

197. The first congress person to vow to change

Campaign financing in a huge way should get the gavel.

It is absurdly insane how much money is waisted here and shameful. This is the only reason middle of the road Dems win. More progressives would win if the people actually got to hear them.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:15 PM

198. Nope. n/t

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:16 PM

199. When she passes the torch, it'll be to a CBC leader.

The Congressional Black Caucus has many experienced US Reps, who can easily assume the leadership.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:20 PM

200. No.We need her smarts, her wisdom and her cojones.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:26 PM

203. I don't know who could replace her, but she could drink coffee before speaking. Not inspiring at all

I do think we could use some different energy. Republicans love to hate Nancy.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:28 PM

205. These "Nancy needs to pass the torch" posts are always a little

ridiculous.

They would be less so if they suggested a replacement and said why that replacement would be successful. But whenever I see "Nancy needs to pass the torch" with no supporting reason, I suspect ageism or sexism.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:28 PM

206. Nancy Pelosi is talented. She's likeable. She's a great communicator. She

knows how to get the votes. Why would we let ginned up hatred of her by republicans decide who our House Majority Leader Is? Democrats hate Ryan and McConnell but did the GOP care?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:31 PM

208. Why, and to whom? If you have your reasons and you want to be persuasive, maybe let us in on them.nt

 

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:44 PM

211. I think she should in a year or so - prior to 2020

to give heads up to help the future leaders of dem party

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 02:48 PM

212. Nope. #1 Don't swallow GOP Koolaid. #2 Her House peers will either elect her or not. nt

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:05 PM

213. Yes let's force her to leave so someone less competent can slide in.


We don't need to make room at the top we need to make more top!

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:44 PM

219. Great timing. Not.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:46 PM

220. Yes. nt

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:29 PM

222. No. Just no

Sure, let's get rid of the most effective Democratic leader we have because....

Why, exactly?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:31 PM

223. Wrong -- she is one of the top Speakers ever

No reason to even suggest this.

Older women and their accomplishments are never properly appreciated.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:40 PM

226. Right now, with this president, we need a stong

experienced leader and that's Pelosi. The only other Dem matching her standing would be John Lewis, imho.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:42 PM

227. BULL-shit.

Where's the MIRT Teams? Better watch this one. Full on wrong dude.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:43 PM

229. From the DU home page ...






It aint broke. Don't fix it.

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